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, ok no 
Hype hype
A little sheet with all the big tournaments and the maps they used.
EDIT: I also started map pick/ban tables again
A little sheet with all the big tournaments and the maps they used.
EDIT: I also started map pick/ban tables again
While I do understand the change and agree that this will definitely be an improvement to the viewing experience, I don't like it at all. The reason scoring is very combo heavy is because the hardest aspect of the game is supposed to get rewarded the most. For example, in osu!mania combo doesn't do anything at all because you could literally just spam all your buttons and still keep combo, while not paying ANY attention to rhythm, while in standard reading might as well be the single most important skill in the game. I do understand that a "random miss" on a map you performed extremely well on can ruin the whole score, but being able to stay focused while playing is IMO the most difficult aspect of the game.Bauxe wrote: l5c1p
I don't get why people are confused about the change to the scoring system, it is probably the most requested thing relating to OWC.
Then again, I might be biased since my own playstyle and the way I read sacrifices accuracy in order to maintain stable aim and combo. And also they haven't released any specific information on how scoring will work yet, so it might not be as tremendous as I am anticipating it.
For now it's probably still okay. It sucks, so it's something that hopefully doesn't happen next year (since last owc we also had the problem of not knowing some things in advance, which resulted in everything being blown out of proportions last year too). The best would be if you could get these things finalized before the registrations end though. Those who should be able to expect the rules to be what they for, so yeah.Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
it's still in heavy testing, hence why I gave you a rough tendency where it will go. I am sorry that we were unable to deliver concrete details sooner.CXu wrote: 344051
Would be nice to know that before g up to a tournament though, you know
Anyhow, good luck with testing and finalizing these things~
Thanks for the input! We will consider this option internally and figure something out, if we deem this as feasable.StarrStyx wrote: 55366
I dont know if it's appropriate to do so, but I somehow think that for one or two matches, some streamers or well known osu commentators on Twitch can be asked to commentate on a match or two.
Just to bring some freshness to the streams imo, apart from the usual ones
I absolutely agree and I tried my best to whip the devs harder, but it wasnt possible to release the complete thing just in time. I actually wanted it to be done and dandy right before we open the s, but this was out of my reach hahaCXu wrote: 344051
For now it's probably still okay. It sucks, so it's something that hopefully doesn't happen next year (since last owc we also had the problem of not knowing some things in advance, which resulted in everything being blown out of proportions last year too). The best would be if you could get these things finalized before the registrations end though. Those who should be able to expect the rules to be what they for, so yeah.
I just hope that this scoring system won't be as bad as mania's. Indeed, I honestly feel like it's the worst for tourneys, why?
Because you cant make advantages of players' consistency in of comboeing (not sure about the correct word to use there). Before, in team based tourneys there have been a lots of tight match that has been disputed throughout maps because people had combos while other had not. I honestly feel like consistency is what people want to see, they want amazing combos more than "amazing accuracy" which is not relevant on long songs.. holding combos is harder in tournament than holding accuracy IN MY OPINION.
Well, i think i am pretty confused in what i say, but if it appears to be close to mania's score system, then i highly disagree with your choices.
Because you cant make advantages of players' consistency in of comboeing (not sure about the correct word to use there). Before, in team based tourneys there have been a lots of tight match that has been disputed throughout maps because people had combos while other had not. I honestly feel like consistency is what people want to see, they want amazing combos more than "amazing accuracy" which is not relevant on long songs.. holding combos is harder in tournament than holding accuracy IN MY OPINION.
Well, i think i am pretty confused in what i say, but if it appears to be close to mania's score system, then i highly disagree with your choices.
As we stated here: https://twitter.com/ppy/status/649599477586636800Musty wrote: 683r6m
I just hope that this scoring system won't be as bad as mania's. Indeed, I honestly feel like it's the worst for tourneys, why?
Because you cant make advantages of players' consistency in of comboeing (not sure about the correct word to use there). Before, in team based tourneys there have been a lots of tight match that has been disputed throughout maps because people had combos while other had not. I honestly feel like consistency is what people want to see, they want amazing combos more than "amazing accuracy" which is not relevant on long songs.. holding combos is harder in tournament than holding accuracy IN MY OPINION.
Well, i think i am pretty confused in what i say, but if it appears to be close to mania's score system, then i highly disagree with your choices.
It won't be like mania. In mania, combo does not matter at all. We do not plan that. Rather, we just want to take away the weightening of combo >> all. Combo will have a significant impact, but it won't be exponentially outgrowing the score, so even if your accuracy is shit, you will be like miles ahead of people who just missed once. However, combo will definitely matter, we just adjust the balance between how heavy Combo impacts the score and how you can compensate singular drops by accuracy instead.
Bit of a harsh thing to say to the person who did the majority of the commentating of the last few years, is it not?Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
We didn't need you for past 3 world cups. So, no. You can resume playing steam games now.Mr Color wrote: 2r8t
Well, I take it you have enough people that you don't need me anymore then, godspeed o\
Still, looking forward to this year! Will we be getting any pro players commentating like last year? That would be good.
Wtf is this thing about Color, he was actually the best commentator with at least some knowledge about the standard players for all past tournaments.
Btw, you should consider taking in some new commentators. People like Evrien, lolimonz, Doomsday and others were really great during the All-Star tournament that took place not long time ago and could bring some great quality into this tournament as well.
Btw, you should consider taking in some new commentators. People like Evrien, lolimonz, Doomsday and others were really great during the All-Star tournament that took place not long time ago and could bring some great quality into this tournament as well.
fartownik wrote: 3l1h
Wtf is this thing about Color, he was actually the best commentator with at least some knowledge about the standard players for all past tournaments.
Btw, you should consider taking in some new commentators. People like Evrien, lolimonz, Doomsday and others were really great during the All-Star tournament that took place not long time ago and could bring some great quality into this tournament as well.
ztrot is making the final calls here. Make them him to sort it out.
Like I said, ask ztrotAmaiHachimitsu wrote: 5k2c5k
Probably PP-oriented system.Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
You should wait until we actually release how the scoring works before you make assumptions about it.
While it could be kind of "fair", it would ruin the viewing experience.
Also
Like, seriously, can I commentate too?
Winner wrote: 532i1v
I think it's a bit too late for that. Would have to wipe all scores on leaderboards or make an entirely new leaderboard.Decon082 wrote: 5v6e6n
now implement this scoring system for non-tournament scenarios in standard and ctb please
At least the new system will reflect skill a lot more.
Anyways, the USA bois better bring it home <3
I wouldn't mind that at all. It would give me an excuse to play some of my favorite maps again to solidify my fundamentals. Not to mention I'll capitalize on the player base rage quitting because I'm so anti-meta.Winner wrote: 532i1v
I think it's a bit too late for that. Would have to wipe all scores on leaderboards or make an entirely new leaderboard.Decon082 wrote: 5v6e6n
now implement this scoring system for non-tournament scenarios in standard and ctb please
Probably because the team isn't exactly being pre-picked by the country. Since all registrations are individual, they probably want to pick someone who they don't think will choose teammates based on personal bias (ie. picking friends over better players).Xilver wrote: 1l325z
May I please ask for the logic behind captains being selected by the management team and not by the team itself? Not trying to start anything, I just don't particularly agree with that decision and I'd like to hear your line of reasoning behind it.
Even if it's a temporary pick, I'm assuming the reason you pick the captain is for the captain to choose a team, right?
Maybe I'm completely wrong though.
edit: also the country-picked captain might not be able to play which would cause confusion (since no more captain).
Speaking of which, does the temporary captain have to end up in the team? If a country has decided (in their forum section or channel or tournament etc.) whom to select for their team, and the captain chosen isn't among any of them, would this temporary captain be able to pick the 8 players and then not participate themselves?Bauxe wrote: l5c1p
Probably because the team isn't exactly being pre-picked by the country. Since all registrations are individual, they probably want to pick someone who they don't think will choose teammates based on personal bias (ie. picking friends over better players).Xilver wrote: 1l325z
May I please ask for the logic behind captains being selected by the management team and not by the team itself? Not trying to start anything, I just don't particularly agree with that decision and I'd like to hear your line of reasoning behind it.
Even if it's a temporary pick, I'm assuming the reason you pick the captain is for the captain to choose a team, right?
Maybe I'm completely wrong though.
edit: also the country-picked captain might not be able to play which would cause confusion (since no more captain).
Just wanna say good luck to the management team and thanks for putting effort in revolutionizing the tournament structure. Hope all goes well! I however would like to show some concern for the $5,000 prize pool since it's quite big...really. All-Star promised a $500 one and that was already considered grand-scale. Why $5,000 if I may ask?
https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/wiki/Help_CenterKevEz wrote: 6x11r
Just want to clarify something, if i have proof that i am from Mexico does that make me eligable at all to play for the Mexican team or do i have to try to play for the country i reside in?
Based off of what I'm looking at, it is proof of residency. So if you really are from Mexico, that would mean that you could technically play for Mexico, provided you own a home there and you have a Mexican ID.
Hong Kong hype!Makan1 wrote: 3l554
lets not see a repeat of last year yeah....
hong kong pls no disappoint this year lol
But no SiLviZ ;W;
Didn't osu become an esport? No?Evrien wrote: 2t4lr
Just wanna say good luck to the management team and thanks for putting effort in revolutionizing the tournament structure. Hope all goes well! I however would like to show some concern for the $5,000 prize pool since it's quite big...really. All-Star promised a $500 one and that was already considered grand-scale. Why $5,000 if I may ask?
*takes my leave*
OWC is on a completely different level to All-Star. Pretty sure most of the All-Star games only got a few hundred viewers, OWC gets easily into the thousands (I think it even went above 10,000 in the grand final last year?).Evrien wrote: 2t4lr
Just wanna say good luck to the management team and thanks for putting effort in revolutionizing the tournament structure. Hope all goes well! I however would like to show some concern for the $5,000 prize pool since it's quite big...really. All-Star promised a $500 one and that was already considered grand-scale. Why $5,000 if I may ask?
We topped at 13k, if I'm ing correctly.Bauxe wrote: l5c1p
OWC is on a completely different level to All-Star. Pretty sure most of the All-Star games only got a few hundred viewers, OWC gets easily into the thousands (I think it even went above 10,000 in the grand final last year?).Evrien wrote: 2t4lr
Just wanna say good luck to the management team and thanks for putting effort in revolutionizing the tournament structure. Hope all goes well! I however would like to show some concern for the $5,000 prize pool since it's quite big...really. All-Star promised a $500 one and that was already considered grand-scale. Why $5,000 if I may ask?
Captains are a sole communication medium.
Captains do not need to end up in the team ultimatively, neither do they have to be present at every match. If our declared captain does want to play, they can pick 8 different players and declare a different captain.
Considering that in the past, all teams were created in a community consensus by figuring out together who will be in the team, we trust in the same mechanic here. Even if the captain delivers us the final player list and received the candidate list, most of them will decide by asking around instead of picking from their guts. Many will open a discussion publicly and make it a group decision as it always was. The only remnant is that the declared captain is our messenger.
We had several issues in particular communities being super bitchy about who is the captain, who gets in the team, even forming two parallel teams and I had to decide who ends up in the cup. This is bullshit and pointless drama. (Right Ryosuke-? You were causing this bullcrap in last year)
Declaring captains as messenger and (in some cases) final call makers, we can avoid any sort of needless team creation drama and make everything run smoothly and fair. We always aim to pick captains that are reasonable, accessible and totally not focused on their circle jerk only. Being captain in the past without issues promotes you for the position, but does not guarantee it. The choices of captains will land on people that we consider to make the most fair and organized decision.
The individual registrations allow us to do the rule violation checks without crushing team rosters over and over again. We can avoid the entire hassle and move the team creation AFTER everyone was filtered. This avoids the 500 times of "I fixed my roster, here is the new". With this new approach, you can only pick from the candidates list and your team will be safe to be created in any case.
Moreover it allows countries to form teams that would otherwise never be able to create a team, because they are unaware of each other. We had potential teams of Mongolia, Israel, Venezuela, Vietnam and other places in the previous world cups.
Ah yeah, the only downside is, when less than 8 people the filters for a country. Usually the countries are weaker and maybe don't end up in the last 32, but sometimes they do. Then all players just get mocked up in one team and we declare a captain, but as always, they can switch around this position as they want. If you have less than 8 people in your country validly ing, there is not much to choose from a list...
OWC Grand Finals peaked in Twitch at #5 most viewed worldwide across all games and peaked momentarily to 16-20,000 viewers, having over 150 000 unique viewers across the entire tournament. (I should recheck that, I don't have the numbers in mind anymore)
Captains do not need to end up in the team ultimatively, neither do they have to be present at every match. If our declared captain does want to play, they can pick 8 different players and declare a different captain.
Considering that in the past, all teams were created in a community consensus by figuring out together who will be in the team, we trust in the same mechanic here. Even if the captain delivers us the final player list and received the candidate list, most of them will decide by asking around instead of picking from their guts. Many will open a discussion publicly and make it a group decision as it always was. The only remnant is that the declared captain is our messenger.
We had several issues in particular communities being super bitchy about who is the captain, who gets in the team, even forming two parallel teams and I had to decide who ends up in the cup. This is bullshit and pointless drama. (Right Ryosuke-? You were causing this bullcrap in last year)
Declaring captains as messenger and (in some cases) final call makers, we can avoid any sort of needless team creation drama and make everything run smoothly and fair. We always aim to pick captains that are reasonable, accessible and totally not focused on their circle jerk only. Being captain in the past without issues promotes you for the position, but does not guarantee it. The choices of captains will land on people that we consider to make the most fair and organized decision.
The individual registrations allow us to do the rule violation checks without crushing team rosters over and over again. We can avoid the entire hassle and move the team creation AFTER everyone was filtered. This avoids the 500 times of "I fixed my roster, here is the new". With this new approach, you can only pick from the candidates list and your team will be safe to be created in any case.
Moreover it allows countries to form teams that would otherwise never be able to create a team, because they are unaware of each other. We had potential teams of Mongolia, Israel, Venezuela, Vietnam and other places in the previous world cups.
Ah yeah, the only downside is, when less than 8 people the filters for a country. Usually the countries are weaker and maybe don't end up in the last 32, but sometimes they do. Then all players just get mocked up in one team and we declare a captain, but as always, they can switch around this position as they want. If you have less than 8 people in your country validly ing, there is not much to choose from a list...
OWC Grand Finals peaked in Twitch at #5 most viewed worldwide across all games and peaked momentarily to 16-20,000 viewers, having over 150 000 unique viewers across the entire tournament. (I should recheck that, I don't have the numbers in mind anymore)