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, ok no 
Hype hype
A little sheet with all the big tournaments and the maps they used.
EDIT: I also started map pick/ban tables again
A little sheet with all the big tournaments and the maps they used.
EDIT: I also started map pick/ban tables again
While I do understand the change and agree that this will definitely be an improvement to the viewing experience, I don't like it at all. The reason scoring is very combo heavy is because the hardest aspect of the game is supposed to get rewarded the most. For example, in osu!mania combo doesn't do anything at all because you could literally just spam all your buttons and still keep combo, while not paying ANY attention to rhythm, while in standard reading might as well be the single most important skill in the game. I do understand that a "random miss" on a map you performed extremely well on can ruin the whole score, but being able to stay focused while playing is IMO the most difficult aspect of the game.Bauxe wrote: l5c1p
I don't get why people are confused about the change to the scoring system, it is probably the most requested thing relating to OWC.
Then again, I might be biased since my own playstyle and the way I read sacrifices accuracy in order to maintain stable aim and combo. And also they haven't released any specific information on how scoring will work yet, so it might not be as tremendous as I am anticipating it.
For now it's probably still okay. It sucks, so it's something that hopefully doesn't happen next year (since last owc we also had the problem of not knowing some things in advance, which resulted in everything being blown out of proportions last year too). The best would be if you could get these things finalized before the registrations end though. Those who should be able to expect the rules to be what they for, so yeah.Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
it's still in heavy testing, hence why I gave you a rough tendency where it will go. I am sorry that we were unable to deliver concrete details sooner.CXu wrote: 344051
Would be nice to know that before g up to a tournament though, you know
Anyhow, good luck with testing and finalizing these things~
Thanks for the input! We will consider this option internally and figure something out, if we deem this as feasable.StarrStyx wrote: 55366
I dont know if it's appropriate to do so, but I somehow think that for one or two matches, some streamers or well known osu commentators on Twitch can be asked to commentate on a match or two.
Just to bring some freshness to the streams imo, apart from the usual ones
I absolutely agree and I tried my best to whip the devs harder, but it wasnt possible to release the complete thing just in time. I actually wanted it to be done and dandy right before we open the s, but this was out of my reach hahaCXu wrote: 344051
For now it's probably still okay. It sucks, so it's something that hopefully doesn't happen next year (since last owc we also had the problem of not knowing some things in advance, which resulted in everything being blown out of proportions last year too). The best would be if you could get these things finalized before the registrations end though. Those who should be able to expect the rules to be what they for, so yeah.
I just hope that this scoring system won't be as bad as mania's. Indeed, I honestly feel like it's the worst for tourneys, why?
Because you cant make advantages of players' consistency in of comboeing (not sure about the correct word to use there). Before, in team based tourneys there have been a lots of tight match that has been disputed throughout maps because people had combos while other had not. I honestly feel like consistency is what people want to see, they want amazing combos more than "amazing accuracy" which is not relevant on long songs.. holding combos is harder in tournament than holding accuracy IN MY OPINION.
Well, i think i am pretty confused in what i say, but if it appears to be close to mania's score system, then i highly disagree with your choices.
Because you cant make advantages of players' consistency in of comboeing (not sure about the correct word to use there). Before, in team based tourneys there have been a lots of tight match that has been disputed throughout maps because people had combos while other had not. I honestly feel like consistency is what people want to see, they want amazing combos more than "amazing accuracy" which is not relevant on long songs.. holding combos is harder in tournament than holding accuracy IN MY OPINION.
Well, i think i am pretty confused in what i say, but if it appears to be close to mania's score system, then i highly disagree with your choices.
As we stated here: https://twitter.com/ppy/status/649599477586636800Musty wrote: 683r6m
I just hope that this scoring system won't be as bad as mania's. Indeed, I honestly feel like it's the worst for tourneys, why?
Because you cant make advantages of players' consistency in of comboeing (not sure about the correct word to use there). Before, in team based tourneys there have been a lots of tight match that has been disputed throughout maps because people had combos while other had not. I honestly feel like consistency is what people want to see, they want amazing combos more than "amazing accuracy" which is not relevant on long songs.. holding combos is harder in tournament than holding accuracy IN MY OPINION.
Well, i think i am pretty confused in what i say, but if it appears to be close to mania's score system, then i highly disagree with your choices.
It won't be like mania. In mania, combo does not matter at all. We do not plan that. Rather, we just want to take away the weightening of combo >> all. Combo will have a significant impact, but it won't be exponentially outgrowing the score, so even if your accuracy is shit, you will be like miles ahead of people who just missed once. However, combo will definitely matter, we just adjust the balance between how heavy Combo impacts the score and how you can compensate singular drops by accuracy instead.
Bit of a harsh thing to say to the person who did the majority of the commentating of the last few years, is it not?Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
We didn't need you for past 3 world cups. So, no. You can resume playing steam games now.Mr Color wrote: 2r8t
Well, I take it you have enough people that you don't need me anymore then, godspeed o\
Still, looking forward to this year! Will we be getting any pro players commentating like last year? That would be good.
Wtf is this thing about Color, he was actually the best commentator with at least some knowledge about the standard players for all past tournaments.
Btw, you should consider taking in some new commentators. People like Evrien, lolimonz, Doomsday and others were really great during the All-Star tournament that took place not long time ago and could bring some great quality into this tournament as well.
Btw, you should consider taking in some new commentators. People like Evrien, lolimonz, Doomsday and others were really great during the All-Star tournament that took place not long time ago and could bring some great quality into this tournament as well.
fartownik wrote: 3l1h
Wtf is this thing about Color, he was actually the best commentator with at least some knowledge about the standard players for all past tournaments.
Btw, you should consider taking in some new commentators. People like Evrien, lolimonz, Doomsday and others were really great during the All-Star tournament that took place not long time ago and could bring some great quality into this tournament as well.
ztrot is making the final calls here. Make them him to sort it out.
Like I said, ask ztrotAmaiHachimitsu wrote: 5k2c5k
Probably PP-oriented system.Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
You should wait until we actually release how the scoring works before you make assumptions about it.
While it could be kind of "fair", it would ruin the viewing experience.
Also
Like, seriously, can I commentate too?
Winner wrote: 532i1v
I think it's a bit too late for that. Would have to wipe all scores on leaderboards or make an entirely new leaderboard.Decon082 wrote: 5v6e6n
now implement this scoring system for non-tournament scenarios in standard and ctb please
At least the new system will reflect skill a lot more.
Anyways, the USA bois better bring it home <3
I wouldn't mind that at all. It would give me an excuse to play some of my favorite maps again to solidify my fundamentals. Not to mention I'll capitalize on the player base rage quitting because I'm so anti-meta.Winner wrote: 532i1v
I think it's a bit too late for that. Would have to wipe all scores on leaderboards or make an entirely new leaderboard.Decon082 wrote: 5v6e6n
now implement this scoring system for non-tournament scenarios in standard and ctb please
Probably because the team isn't exactly being pre-picked by the country. Since all registrations are individual, they probably want to pick someone who they don't think will choose teammates based on personal bias (ie. picking friends over better players).Xilver wrote: 1l325z
May I please ask for the logic behind captains being selected by the management team and not by the team itself? Not trying to start anything, I just don't particularly agree with that decision and I'd like to hear your line of reasoning behind it.
Even if it's a temporary pick, I'm assuming the reason you pick the captain is for the captain to choose a team, right?
Maybe I'm completely wrong though.
edit: also the country-picked captain might not be able to play which would cause confusion (since no more captain).