OH GOD AWESOME MAP one of the best map i've ever seen
but a little question:

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

No need Taiko diff for this song...

why?

dialgadu77 wrote: 304e2k

OH GOD AWESOME MAP one of the best map i've ever seen
but a little question:

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

No need Taiko diff for this song...

why?

Because this song have too many BPM change,
Ex: 01:09:146 ~ 01:21:690
When you map those part,It will became unreadable like osu! diff.

Many taiko mapper asked me for taiko diff...

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

Because this song have too many BPM change,
Ex: 01:09:146 ~ 01:21:690
When you map those part,It will became unreadable like osu! diff.

I like SV x4.

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

When you map those part,It will became unreadable like osu! diff.

You just need to set inherited points to multiply the sv.

those wrote: 2f131h

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

When you map those part,It will became unreadable like osu! diff.

You just need to set inherited points to multiply the sv.

I can multiply SV without inherithed points. (max: SV x4 with manual editing)
EDIT: and I can modify inherited points like you said, this is a good idea.

EDIT 2: OH GOD I MAPPED A TAIKO (am i crazy?) this is not unreadable (lol 666 combo)

Taiko BG:


: Black Hole - Pluto (7odoa) [Ex's Taiko Oni].osu

Rule wrote: 6d473t

Do not manually edit anything in an .osu file that cannot be changed through the Editor. The only exceptions are .osu-specific storyboards and skin-related options such as SliderBorder and SliderTrackOverride.

I don't know this is rankable or not,but if I accept your taiko diff,I'll accept Verdi's and Ono's taiko diff too.(They are asked me taiko diff in before)
Anyway,I can put this diff on Creator's Words now if you want~

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

Rule wrote: 6d473t

Do not manually edit anything in an .osu file that cannot be changed through the Editor. The only exceptions are .osu-specific storyboards and skin-related options such as SliderBorder and SliderTrackOverride.

I don't know this is rankable or not,but if I accept your taiko diff,I'll accept Verdi's and Ono's taiko diff too.(They are asked me taiko diff in before)
Anyway,I can put this diff on Creator's Words now if you want~

Ok. If you want, I can modify my Taiko diff for this:
Do not manually edit anything in an .osu file that cannot be changed through the Editor
'cause this is possible

from M4M queue
以及我鬼畜圖mod不能.orz
給張不鬼畜的可以嗎/.\

karenying wrote: 1h6fc

from M4M queue
以及我鬼畜圖mod不能.orz
給張不鬼畜的可以嗎/.\

當然可以,但我目前沒有其他圖要mod.
我先把Ticket留着,有圖要mod的話先再PM你吧~ :b

Updated Taiko for removing manual editing.
Now you can add this in Creator's Words.

EDIT: Thanks a lot!

: Black Hole - Pluto (7odoa) [Ex's Taiko Oni] (with Taiko BG).zip

顺道提一下作曲是NAOKI MAEDA
加到tag里到时候别人找NAOKI的曲子会方便点

from queue:
基本没什么可挑的，图排版流畅，节奏也一流。@_@
rating: A-

Hello, 7odoa! I really love the map and the song choice.

General

1. Looks good.

Beginner

1. 00:25:733 (4,1) - The pattern you have with these two sliders is pretty odd looking in my opinion. Try something like this that's more intuitive and better looking. They also blanket eachother very nicely.
2. 01:11:056 (2) - This slider is pretty odd looking if you ask me.
3. 01:36:443 (4) - Spacing between the previous slider and this note is a bit too large.

Basic

1. 00:11:885 (1) - Put the whistle on the end of this slider rather than the reverse to follow your whistle pattern.
2. 00:16:248 (1) - ^
3. 00:33:560 - You should add a note here because of the fact that there's an audible beat at this point. It also flows well. I suggest arranging it like this and adding a NC at 00:34:343 (5) to shorten up the combo.
4. 01:23:737 (4) - Move this up two grids to be symmetrical with the previous slider.

Difficult

1. 00:22:995 (1) - Stack this on the bottom of the previous stream.
2. 00:34:734 (2,4) - Make it so that these don't overlap.

Expert

1. Looks good to me.

Challenge

1. Holy crap. This difficulty is intense.
2. 00:13:385 (4) - Put a new combo on this slider and all other slowdown sliders like it.

Good luck!

Jacob wrote: 6138n

Hello, 7odoa! I really love the map and the song choice.

General

1. Looks good.

Beginner

1. 00:25:733 (4,1) - The pattern you have with these two sliders is pretty odd looking in my opinion. Try something like this that's more intuitive and better looking. They also blanket eachother very nicely.//It's fine to me
2. 01:11:056 (2) - This slider is pretty odd looking if you ask me.//Changed
3. 01:36:443 (4) - Spacing between the previous slider and this note is a bit too large.//Fixed

Basic

1. 00:11:885 (1) - Put the whistle on the end of this slider rather than the reverse to follow your whistle pattern.//No change
2. 00:16:248 (1) - ^//No change
3. 00:33:560 - You should add a note here because of the fact that there's an audible beat at this point. It also flows well. I suggest arranging it like this and adding a NC at 00:34:343 (5) to shorten up the combo.//OK
4. 01:23:737 (4) - Move this up two grids to be symmetrical with the previous slider.//...

Difficult

1. 00:22:995 (1) - Stack this on the bottom of the previous stream.//No change
2. 00:34:734 (2,4) - Make it so that these don't overlap.//I think it is fine...

Expert

1. Looks good to me.

Challenge

1. Holy crap. This difficulty is intense.
2. 00:13:385 (4) - Put a new combo on this slider and all other slowdown sliders like it.//OK,I add new combo colors for Slowdown.

Good luck!

Thank for Mod

-Changed BG!

I checked your map for my queue ~

Really nice map and cool music ~ i can't find anything issue ~

So take you a cool bubble ><

做好毀滅世界的準備了
話說我覺得Expert比Challenge打起來更順
然後Expert的星數依然令人費解
期待rank啊
gogogo ~

OMFGBUBBLED

Oh my god o.o

From my modding queue. Sorry for taking long time :<

[Difficult]

1. 01:37:554 (1,2,3) - This is a hard diff. So please follow the consistent distance spacing here.

[Basic]

1. 01:21:008 (4,5) - Since it's too hard for beginner to read the timing, change these notes to a slider.

Please tell me your thought.

About red timing sections. I'll ask other about this and I'll write a result here. Please wait a bit.

Suzully wrote: 423y2t

From my modding queue. Sorry for taking long time :< <<Never mind~

[Difficult]

1. 01:37:554 (1,2,3) - This is a hard diff. So please follow the consistent distance spacing here.<<Ok~

[Basic]

1. 01:21:008 (4,5) - Since it's too hard for beginner to read the timing, change these notes to a slider.<<I can't change it to slider,because the slider is too slow.

Please tell me your thought.

About red timing sections. I'll ask other about this and I'll write a result here. Please wait a bit.<<Okay,I think It is fine because it is from the official timing~

Thank!~

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

Suzully wrote: 423y2t

About red timing sections. I'll ask other about this and I'll write a result here. Please wait a bit.<<Okay,I think It is fine because it is from the official timing~

Even if this was true, there is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the slider speed changes, which makes it unacceptable. I can understand for some slow sections, but many others are just you adding them for the sake of changing slider speeds, which is unrankable. Please use this timing - I tried not to remove any of your green lines, forgive me if I did:

104,300,4,2,1,95,1,0
9704,272.727272727273,4,1,2,60,1,0
18431,260.869565217391,4,1,1,70,1,1
22539,-100,4,2,1,95,0,1
22800,-100,4,1,1,70,0,0
22995,-100,4,1,1,70,0,1
26778,250,6,1,1,70,1,0
32778,260.869565217391,6,1,1,70,1,1
41438,300,4,1,2,60,1,0
48638,272.727272727273,4,1,1,70,1,0
58456,300,4,1,1,70,1,0
59056,-100,4,1,1,63,0,0
59656,-100,4,1,1,56,0,0
60256,-100,4,1,1,49,0,0
63106,-100,4,2,2,95,0,0
68056,272.727272727273,4,1,1,80,1,0
80260,-100,4,1,1,85,0,0
80806,-100,4,1,1,90,0,0
81351,-100,4,1,1,95,0,0
81624,-100,4,2,1,90,0,0
82237,250,4,1,2,65,1,0
90077,230.769230769231,4,1,1,75,1,1
93711,-100,4,2,1,95,0,1
94111,-100,4,1,1,80,0,1
94666,222.222222222222,4,1,1,80,1,1
95499,-100,4,1,1,85,0,1
96443,222.222222222222,5,1,1,85,1,1
96831,-66.6666666666667,5,1,1,85,0,1
97220,-100,5,1,1,85,0,0
97331,-100,5,1,1,70,0,0

I liked what you did with the slows because it fits and makes sense, but the how the slows are made is unrankable. I'll gladly help you go through your map to find replacements for them and fix the patterns ! me as soon as you can - search "Shiro" on IRC if I'm not online so we can work through this and get your map rebubbled asap !

As what Odaril wrote, we cannot allow these red timing sections.
Fix them and call me back. I'll rebubble after rechecking.

Sorry,I don't want to use this timing for some reason:

1. I want to keep BPM:50~270,not BPM:200~270(as I said before,it is from the official timing)
2. If I use this timing,then I must Re-map those slow part.
3. I think using BPM:50x4=200 for slow part is not fit.

Sorry about that.

This feels entirely rankable.
Great job on the map :3

Twilight Sparkle wrote: 2847r

This feels entirely rankable.
Great job on the map :3

Thank You!~

No BAT going to rank this? orz...

Well, no, I mean two BATs plainly told you what's going on. If a BAT were to rank this now it'd be directly defying the other two.

Here's my opinion on it.

I think the difficulties are FUN AS HELL. Challenge is epic, and Expert is even better. The slowdowns in Challenge, however, do not add to the fun.
While you did a somewhat okay job at indicating their speeds with white combo colors, that sort of speed change hasn't been rankable for a very long time.

Rules wrote: 3n6o1f

我在mod這張圖的時候就該說的...orz
沒辦法，要是你不改的話就不能ranked ;_;

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

Rules wrote: 3n6o1f

我在mod這張圖的時候就該說的...orz
沒辦法，要是你不改的話就不能ranked ;_;

我不想改了,改了只會令圖的質量變差...
rank不了便算吧,而且我不只是想這張圖rank~
(新圖求MOD XD)

I tired to get it ranked...

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

我不想改了,改了只會令圖的質量變差...
rank不了便算吧,而且我不只是想這張圖rank~
(新圖求MOD XD)

I tired to get it ranked...

我個人很想看到這圖上架的說T.T
慢滑條的確很有梗，可是不用紅線就沒辦法達成...(綠線最少0.5倍速度還是快了些..)
還是說改成像Expert那樣1/1重疊？
雖說捨棄變慢的梗讓人不爽但是至少能ranked ;w;

話說在這裡求MOD是哪招xD
sry我最近不接req =3=

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

我個人很想看到這圖上架的說T.T<-我都是.
慢滑條的確很有梗，可是不用紅線就沒辦法達成...(綠線最少0.5倍速度還是快了些..)<-只是用的原作的timing而已,不是我想出來的梗.
還是說改成像Expert那樣1/1重疊？<2個難度用同一種寫法太沒有新意了
雖說捨棄變慢的梗讓人不爽但是至少能ranked ;w;<-以圖的質量為先,改了會令我對圖的質量不滿意,我不想rank了一些陣mapper自己都不滿意的圖

話說在這裡求MOD是哪招xD
sry我最近不接req =3=<不要緊,只是宣傳一下而已~

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

我不想改了,改了只會令圖的質量變差...

GOOD IDEAL

其實有方法令BPM不用變都可以做到這效果..不用REMAP...

把sv轉做1.35 1.0part轉2.0 bpm 慢part轉0.5試試?

Suzully wrote: 423y2t

About red timing sections. I'll ask other about this and I'll write a result here. Please wait a bit.

I'm in.

I gotta tell you, 7odoa, if those unrankable BPMs were all 50 and it would have been timed with that, I'd say no to all those people saying that it's unrankable.
But, I'm sorry, this is really unrankable.
As those said, there are timing sections not needed at all, since they're just the same BPMs, divided by 4

those wrote: 2f131h

From .:Let those mod those maps:.

[General]
If you would like, you can delete all your bookmarks to decrease the size of your .osz file by a little since you won't be needing them by the time this gets put on the server.
You do not need the timing points at:
00:13:385
00:13:931
00:14:067
00:17:749
00:22:604
00:51:365
00:54:773
00:58:045
01:10:783
01:11:056
01:11:737
01:12:419
01:13:100
01:13:372
01:14:327
01:14:599
01:15:145
01:15:554
01:16:235
01:16:507
01:17:053
01:17:325
01:17:871
01:18:143
01:18:415
01:18:552
01:18:961
01:19:915
01:20:327
01:20:872
01:21:008
01:21:690
01:25:612
01:29:477
01:33:769
01:34:666
01:36:443

That's a lot of timing points you used there: at first I thought you were trying to stay on rhythm and to try to start each downbeat at the right place, but then I looked at your Challenge difficulty and realized that you were using the Timing points to manipulate your slider velocity, which is unfortunately UNRANKABLE. Let's delete these and fix your sliders before I come back to this. Feel free to PM me when that's fixed.

In addition, you also have inconsistent Kiai Times. You may want to fix those as well.

Good luck :3

I know something that can replace the unrankable sliders, but you gotta move the objects when done, if needed.
Replace those white sliders by circles, but use a VERY LOW distance snapping multiplier (even 0.0 works imo) and you can use the white combo for them. If the idea is bad, I have no other idea.

Before the post ends...
01:09:146 (1) to 01:22:237 (1) - This part...I gotta be serious. Needs an experience from who can apply my idea, who knows? May work and may not, or w/e

You gotta do something about this, pal. Best of luck~

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

Twilight Sparkle wrote: 2847r

This feels entirely rankable.
Great job on the map :3

Thank You!~

No BAT going to rank this? orz...

No, because you're refusing to fix something that's unrankable and are ignoring three BATs (and even more) by doing so. I offered you the correct timing, and proposed to help you find a replacement, but you didn't even consider my post.

7odoa, please PM me when you've decided to be reasonable so I can unnuke this and help with the map.

nold_1702 wrote: c162z

把sv轉做1.35 1.0part轉2.0 bpm 慢part轉0.5試試?

好吧,我試試~

Baka Tenshi wrote: 58r4h

01:09:146 (1) to 01:22:237 (1) - This part...I gotta be serious. Needs an experience from who can apply my idea, who knows? May work and may not, or w/e

It's fine,just like Expert.

BPM:50~270 Changed to 100~135

It's no problem for now?

Hi.

I can confirm that the timing has been changed.
However, watch out for broken sliders. For example, in the Expert difficulty, 00:22:995 (1) -
while I'm at it, 01:21:556 (1,1) - (expert diff) this is quite a huge jump, and very surprising, given that the objects are a whole screen away from each other.

I'm happy to unnuke this - good luck on getting this ranked !

Shiro wrote: 47b

Hi.

I can confirm that the timing has been changed.
However, watch out for broken sliders. For example, in the Expert difficulty, 00:22:995 (1) -
while I'm at it, 01:21:556 (1,1) - (expert diff) this is quite a huge jump, and very surprising, given that the objects are a whole screen away from each other.

I'm happy to unnuke this - good luck on getting this ranked !

Fixed~

Thank you for understanding.
I'm glad that I can get a bubble back now. But there is still a few issues.

[Beginner]

1. 01:17:465 (3,1) - Incorrect spacing.
2. 01:30:077 (1,3) - Oh...

Suzully wrote: 423y2t

Thank you for understanding.
I'm glad that I can get a bubble back now. But there is still a few issues.

[Beginner]

1. 01:17:465 (3,1) - Incorrect spacing.<-Fixed
2. 01:30:077 (1,3) - Oh...<-Fixed......

Thank~

Also removed some tick sound on [Challenge].

All stuff seem fine now.
Rebubbled!

go go go go go!

don't know I assume or not but it feels harder than before about hp drain and stuff in challange <3

why today this map is not being ranked T.T

7odoa wrote: 6w3d4y

Baka Tenshi wrote: 58r4h

01:09:146 (1) to 01:22:237 (1) - This part...I gotta be serious. Needs an experience from who can apply my idea, who knows? May work and may not, or w/e

It's fine,just like Expert.

BPM:50~270 Changed to 100~135

It's no problem for now?

Just saying: I did that with Do I Smile?, but the result will have to be extremely odd for the unrankable map to be rankable.
260~6400 --> 184~360
So don't worry about the timing, at least it may be RANKABLE.

C'mon why does it take sooo long

Yo

[General]
Tick rate 4 to all difficulties since you have the BPM halved. I'd recommend you silence key ticks during the beginning and other quieter parts of the song.

[Easy]
01:15:556 (1,2,3) - This part is pretty trick for an easy. You might want to simplify with it longer sliders like you've used before.

[Basic]
This is hardly what I would call a Basic. Call it Standard or Normal.

[Difficult]
00:15:704 (4) - I'm not sure what this note is mapped to, but it is weird to play.
00:32:778 (1) - Something that's really bugging me about this section is that you chose to do a slider -> circle -? slider -> circle progression when the music is grouped in fours. You're essentially grouping things in threes with this type of pattern and it's really really difficult to play it naturally. I recommend you rethink this part.
01:27:917 (2,1) - This jump is egg a big pain too due to the direction change.

[Challenge]
01:26:237 (1) - I didn't like how this was the sole stacked note after a slow slider.

Good stuff. Mainly worried about the simplification of the Easy.

Please Rank!

rrtyui wrote: 4r1w1a

Please Rank it !

Garven wrote: 3w455y

Yo

[General]
Tick rate 4 to all difficulties since you have the BPM halved. I'd recommend you silence key ticks during the beginning and other quieter parts of the song.
Ok~

[Easy]
01:15:556 (1,2,3) - This part is pretty trick for an easy. You might want to simplify with it longer sliders like you've used before.
I have re-map this part,it is hard to map...

[Basic]
This is hardly what I would call a Basic. Call it Standard or Normal.
It is DDRSN2's Diff Name,Basic=Normal

[Difficult]
00:15:704 (4) - I'm not sure what this note is mapped to, but it is weird to play.
Fixed
00:32:778 (1) - Something that's really bugging me about this section is that you chose to do a slider -> circle -? slider -> circle progression when the music is grouped in fours. You're essentially grouping things in threes with this type of pattern and it's really really difficult to play it naturally. I recommend you rethink this part.
[Expert]No changed because it's not very hard in this diff...
01:27:917 (2,1) - This jump is egg a big pain too due to the direction change.
Changed some.

[Challenge]
01:26:237 (1) - I didn't like how this was the sole stacked note after a slow slider.
Fixed

Good stuff. Mainly worried about the simplification of the Easy.

Thank!~

[General]

1. 01:37:220 - unsnapped KIAI section.

[Challenge]

1. 01:34:000 (2) - for consistence, new combo this instead of the note next.

~

Colin Hou wrote: 1v5j56

[General]

1. 01:37:220 - unsnapped KIAI section.

[Challenge]

1. 01:34:000 (2) - for consistence, new combo this instead of the note next.

~

All Fixed,Thank~

[Challenge]

1. make sure all white combo color is used properly after 01:35:111

Colin Hou wrote: 1v5j56

[Challenge]

1. make sure all white combo color is used properly after 01:35:111

Fixed~

re-bubbled

Ranked!

Finally Ranked ~!

Cool map ><

Finally.

Congratz

RANKED HURRMUYGURRRDDD

Sweet Congrats!

very nice... youve been copying those speed at DDR

what is this crap? o_o

congrats, i love this song xD

FCKYEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

I think I need to have a break from this game.

Congratulations!!

这个好>_>

Nice !!

Ranked!? Are you kidding

T o u c h e wrote: 26y2u

Ranked!? Are you kidding

No he's not. The map is rankable already so why not?

And 7odoa congrats for the rank!
/me tries to go to the top 40 before the NoFail records get out of the top 50

Good

why not Appoverd??

at least rainbow dash is playable

I really liked the Difficult diff.

congrats!

Fun fact:

[quote="Ranking Criteria":b44b3]All uninherited sections must be on the downbeat of the measure. A downbeat is the first beat of a measure, and while this may not affect gameplay, it will affect the main menu pulsing. Therefore, any and all uninherited sections (including metronome changes such as 2/4 and 3/4 measures) must be correct. Please see this thread for more information on downbeats.86. Offset: 94,000ms BPM: 135.00

This section obviously doesn't follow this non-sensical rule because the music starts this BPM in the upbeat.

I wonder how many other rules are so blatantly stupid that need to be debunked every time.

yea!

omg ranked

終於
棒
祝賀
耶
\:D/

WTF AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I like it a lot, gratz xD

This is good.

Card N'FoRcE wrote: 4x4d4p

Fun fact:

[quote="Ranking Criteria":8f7c6]All uninherited sections must be on the downbeat of the measure. A downbeat is the first beat of a measure, and while this may not affect gameplay, it will affect the main menu pulsing. Therefore, any and all uninherited sections (including metronome changes such as 2/4 and 3/4 measures) must be correct. Please see this thread for more information on downbeats.

86. Offset: 94,000ms BPM: 135.00

This section obviously doesn't follow this non-sensical rule because the music starts this BPM in the upbeat.

I wonder how many other rules are so blatantly stupid that need to be debunked every time.Apply common sense and we don't have to care so much. If it's feasible to line up the downbeat, then cool. If you're going to have to jump throw hoops just to stick to this, then functionality trumps.

Garven wrote: 3w455y

Apply common sense and we don't have to care so much.

Apply common sense and you'll agree that current ranking criteria are stupid. Which is funny because the current ranking criteria were made because "people don't seem to have common sense" (cit.).
And i would kinda like an explanation of the "we don't have to care so much".

Garven wrote: 3w455y

then functionality trumps.

Functionality trumps already because some people make rules then decide to follow them only when it's convenient. That goes against the very concept of "rule" (which i remind you, is described as "may NOT be broken under ANY circumstance" in the wiki), so why would you make a rule if you know there will be some cases in which it's not possible to follow it?

Before some people go against me saying that i want the map unranked, that's not the case: I'm just pointing out how rules are broken.

EDIT:
@Loctav: I'd reply to you as well but i don't want to continue filling this thread so i won't.
@mapper: sorry for derailing the discussion.

Open a thread about the stupid rule in Ranking Criteria Discussion Board and bring this map as example along. This beatmap thread is not the right place to discuss or doubt this rule in general.

挖``終於rank了

nice map

I could have sworn I made a taiko map of this before. (but like, it's >REALLY< hard. harder than the submitted one!)

of course I never knew this was on the BSS so yeah

Nazo wrote: 69296u

I could have sworn I made a taiko map of this before. (but like, it's >REALLY< hard. harder than the submitted one!)

of course I never knew this was on the BSS so yeah

Pluto isn't hard, it's only memory :3

ed with FL:



ed with FC:

tushepls.

Anyways, congratulation on ranking this. All these slowdowns and then speed-ups are not good..

^

Yes, Expert makes sense to me, but Challenge looks like completly random notes all arround.
Choose a song sounding really hard to make such hard maps next time .

Good job on other maps else

nice map

Alduric wrote: 2e1b1c

what is this crap? o_o

I would like to apologize for my rude words ;c

(peppy you bunny ban me!)

well well well
all i can say for this song is
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

akira_silverberg wrote: 5b1n24

nice map

The Ex-Taiko Oni Difficulty was sure made by Satan ._.

http://puu.sh/7MuHf.jpg

trutne

Good map!