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I am so freaking hyped for my request
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well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one
bruh sortry i can't deal with this now i'm still processing the new pp record

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one
Much like Penguindrum, Utena starts normally then stuff goes insane, like insane.
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eblf2013 wrote: 3l2l1q

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one
Much like Penguindrum, Utena starts normally then stuff goes insane, like insane.
I expected as much, i'm excited for it

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one
I've always wondered what the experience of actually reading the book in it's entirety as a newcomer would be like so your analysis was really insightful, thanks for that.

Unlike the other stuff you analysed I'm in a pretty unique position to actually respond to everything and answer questions, or at least offer good insight. We also have direct with all of the authors as well.

Glad to have you onboard as editor, you didn't need to write a pitch, dpeace and manishh are editors because I forgot to remove them from the group chat and I asked them if they wanted to be editors lol

I'll add you to the group chat, we can discuss stuff more in depth there

Actually it might be cool to make the discussion more public, it's not like any of this is supposed to be forbidden knowledge and it'll be good to have more insight from the actual authors
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cephaphysic wrote: 406m6w

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough
yeah that's fair

though god, i want to rewrite a bunch of my stuff even more than i previously did. they've been bugging me for other reasons and possibly contributing to this is just another one :V
I really want to rewrite my chapters well, especially the Yoony/Demon Lord chapter which I completely half assed because I ran out of time

Maybe we can all have a proper rewriting session at some point

Honestly if you want to rewrite stuff now just send it to me and I'll update it

Sorry Patatitta for hijacking this thread
Topic Starter

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote: 1w5n5a

cephaphysic wrote: 406m6w

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough
yeah that's fair

though god, i want to rewrite a bunch of my stuff even more than i previously did. they've been bugging me for other reasons and possibly contributing to this is just another one :V
I really want to rewrite my chapters well, especially the Yoony/Demon Lord chapter which I completely half assed because I ran out of time

Maybe we can all have a proper rewriting session at some point

Honestly if you want to rewrite stuff now just send it to me and I'll update it

Sorry Patatitta for hijacking this thread
nah this is not hijacking, this is just having conversation over something I pointed out. I personally dont know how feasable a rewritting of certain segments would be, but I would agree it would definitively help the book

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote: 4l614z

I am so freaking hyped for my request
same, i will be forever tho lul
dunno why a book would take too long when its only like 300 pages ;-;
Topic Starter

Dementedduck wrote: 5h4a6n

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote: 4l614z

I am so freaking hyped for my request
same, i will be forever tho lul
dunno why a book would take too long when its only like 300 pages ;-;
I mean, max's request is the next one after I finish this anime and your request is next after I finish this VN

I can finish a book pretty quickly, like, I read the OT!book in a day, but it's still more hours than a regular anime or manga or even some videogames
Review all of the webcomics from Control Alt Delete without quitting and I will give you 22 euros (sorry I'm joking, but if you survive watching at least three of the parts from the webcomics then your balls are made of indestructible titanium.)

DO IT! O_O
Topic Starter

MrMcMikey22 wrote: 5p1w2r

Review all of the webcomics from Control Alt Delete without quitting and I will give you 22 euros (sorry I'm joking, but if you survive watching at least three of the parts from the webcomics then your balls are made of indestructible titanium.)

DO IT! O_O
okay I just saw the first image that appeared while looking at that on google and i'm for the challenge
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Topic Starter

cephaphysic wrote: 406m6w

oh also, i'm legally obligated to ask you to read homestuck

it's over 8000 pages long, though most of them are a single . it's got flash games and animations as well. dunno how long it'll take you to read when you're committing to it

(also make sure you use the unoffical collection i linked above, or else you can't access the flash content)
I knew this was inevitable

i've been avoiding homestuck for over 10 years

will add to the list
green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me
Topic Starter

lostsilver wrote: 2h4ne

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me
not doing music since I dont know shit about music

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

lostsilver wrote: 2h4ne

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me
not doing music since I dont know shit about music
oh
alright uhhhhhhh
how about the sprites i've made in this thread
Topic Starter

lostsilver wrote: 2h4ne

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

lostsilver wrote: 2h4ne

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me
not doing music since I dont know shit about music
oh
alright uhhhhhhh
how about the sprites i've made in this thread
as I said before, i'm not just reviewing anything, I need something with a plot or anything I can analyze, cant just do that for a sprite
Im glad you liked billy bat lmao, you put the feeling of weird confusion it makes into words, it really is that good

Edit: I might have a few more weird mangas I've already read, might shoot them here if i found any that's interesting
Topic Starter

NotRaffi wrote: 453q6o

Im glad you liked billy bat lmao, you put the feeling of weird confusion it makes into words, it really is that good

Edit: I might have a few more weird mangas I've already read, might shoot them here if i found any that's interesting
sure, always open for more suggestions
Topic Starter
I dropped Hapymaher

I feel bad for katou, since they really were excited for their request, but this really isn't just something for me

i've played up to the middle of chapter 3, so like a little bit more than an hour and a half I think? (didn't really time it), which is enough time to judge IMO, and while the plot hasn't really started, I feel the game is pushing me into wanting to date one of the characters. Currently feels more like a dating simulator than a VN, and that's just not really my thing

and while the little scenes explaining the plot, the scene just showcases that one character panties in full detail, and while some people may be fine with stuff like that, I don't really like it. Like, before even anything really happened the game already throwed me an opportunity to have a sex scene

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next: Control Alt Delete webcomic



fuck



edit: i'm not going to do ctrlAltDelete what the fuck is this I didn't know it was THAT unfunny, i'm sorry but I dont want to torture myself

skipping to homestuck, which tbh I didn't put it on the special request list since I don't know how long it would take me, but now i'm realizing that it may be really fucking long
HAHAHA I tried reading CAD some time ago and it's really bad

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

I dropped Hapymaher

I feel bad for katou, since they really were excited for their request, but this really isn't just something for me

i've played up to the middle of chapter 3, so like a little bit more than an hour and a half I think? (didn't really time it), which is enough time to judge IMO, and while the plot hasn't really started, I feel the game is pushing me into wanting to date one of the characters. Currently feels more like a dating simulator than a VN, and that's just not really my thing

and while the little scenes explaining the plot, the scene just showcases that one character panties in full detail, and while some people may be fine with stuff like that, I don't really like it. Like, before even anything really happened the game already throwed me an opportunity to have a sex scene

-----

next: Control Alt Delete webcomic



fuck



edit: i'm not going to do ctrlAltDelete what the fuck is this I didn't know it was THAT unfunny, i'm sorry but I dont want to torture myself

skipping to homestuck, which tbh I didn't put it on the special request list since I don't know how long it would take me, but now i'm realizing that it may be really fucking long
Yeah, that's fine. Probably should have suggested something more tame at first.
Review me
Topic Starter

sametdze wrote: 732432

Review me
as I have already said multiple times in this thread, I cant do stuff like that, what i'm looking for are books/games/anime/manga/film with plot or whatever I can analyze, I cant analyze a sprite or a person or a contest
Man Patatitta really Loss the challenge. xD

I guess he can't handle the cringe on his potato brain after all lol.

But yeah it's really cringe, at least you got that right or else...

O_O

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

sametdze wrote: 732432

Review me
as I have already said multiple times in this thread, I cant do stuff like that, what i'm looking for are books/games/anime/manga/film with plot or whatever I can analyze, I cant analyze a sprite or a person or a contest
Fine, I'll review myself

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

sametdze wrote: 732432

Review me
as I have already said multiple times in this thread, I cant do stuff like that, what i'm looking for are books/games/anime/manga/film with plot or whatever I can analyze, I cant analyze a sprite or a person or a contest
Review my me! page lel

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

lostsilver wrote: 2h4ne

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

lostsilver wrote: 2h4ne

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me
not doing music since I dont know shit about music
oh
alright uhhhhhhh
how about the sprites i've made in this thread
as I said before, i'm not just reviewing anything, I need something with a plot or anything I can analyze, cant just do that for a sprite
oh alright then :/
then what about over the garden wall

sametdze wrote: 732432

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

sametdze wrote: 732432

Review me
as I have already said multiple times in this thread, I cant do stuff like that, what i'm looking for are books/games/anime/manga/film with plot or whatever I can analyze, I cant analyze a sprite or a person or a contest
Fine, I'll review myself
nono ill do it
u are cool train guy who has model trains and is cool
did i mention the trains? or that ur cool? i forget

o yea also u are cool to see on da forum 👍

i give u a 6/10 on da osu ranking
Topic Starter

MrMcMikey22 wrote: 5p1w2r

Man Patatitta really Loss the challenge. xD

I guess he can't handle the cringe on his potato brain after all lol.

But yeah it's really cringe, at least you got that right or else...

O_O
honestly I don't think I have ever dropped something so fast in my life


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I feel bad for dropping 3 things today but homestuck is not really the thing for me

I have read up to page 474 before deciding to drop it, I really wasn't willing to read any mroe of that

idk, I just don't really get homestuck?, Like, the way ht's written, it's like a point and click game, which is cool, I lovee point and click games, like, currently i'm playing this game called norco, and it's really good so far. And my favourite game of all time, disco elysium, does feel point and click adjacent due to how much text it has and how little gameplay it has

however, one of the appeal of these types of games for me is having the freedom to explore on your own, roleplay as your character, solving the puzles on your own, if i'm just reading someone else play a point and click adventure game, that's boring

it's also worth mentioning that the way you write a poitn and click game is not the way you write a book or a webcomic, stuff like saying what actions the character takes with is not the most ideas for a book, but it's just very often a needed thing for this type of games. However, in this medium you dont need to do that, you're making the reading quality worse for no reason, since you're not giving me any of the upside for it

the story is also completely lineal so far, even if it's a webcomic and there are flash games and stuff, the story is just lineal

the story was also not my thing, it was mainly just focused on comedy which it's fine on itself, but it's a type of comedy that I don't really enjoy much

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updates: I finished chapter 12 of revolutionary girl utena and i'm liking it so far

next: pale fire
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Topic Starter

cephaphysic wrote: 406m6w

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

MrMcMikey22 wrote: 5p1w2r

Man Patatitta really Loss the challenge. xD

I guess he can't handle the cringe on his potato brain after all lol.

But yeah it's really cringe, at least you got that right or else...

O_O
honestly I don't think I have ever dropped something so fast in my life


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I feel bad for dropping 3 things today but homestuck is not really the thing for me

I have read up to page 474 before deciding to drop it, I really wasn't willing to read any mroe of that

idk, I just don't really get homestuck?, Like, the way ht's written, it's like a point and click game, which is cool, I lovee point and click games, like, currently i'm playing this game called norco, and it's really good so far. And my favourite game of all time, disco elysium, does feel point and click adjacent due to how much text it has and how little gameplay it has

however, one of the appeal of these types of games for me is having the freedom to explore on your own, roleplay as your character, solving the puzles on your own, if i'm just reading someone else play a point and click adventure game, that's boring

it's also worth mentioning that the way you write a poitn and click game is not the way you write a book or a webcomic, stuff like saying what actions the character takes with is not the most ideas for a book, but it's just very often a needed thing for this type of games. However, in this medium you dont need to do that, you're making the reading quality worse for no reason, since you're not giving me any of the upside for it

the story is also completely lineal so far, even if it's a webcomic and there are flash games and stuff, the story is just lineal

the story was also not my thing, it was mainly just focused on comedy which it's fine on itself, but it's a type of comedy that I don't really enjoy much
fair enough. the beginning isn't really reflective of the entire webcomic (obviously it is a comedy, but there's more to it further in), and i personally think the text adventure style it goes for is neat, but if it's just something you plain can't get into, i can't really make you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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also, if you don't mind, could you watch lackadaisy? mainly have the animation on mind, but if you want you can go through the webcomic, since the animated series only has one episode rn
will read the webcomic, will add to the list


and also, while I can believe that it's a lot different in future chapters, the early stuff sets up stuff, but if you didn't enjoy the set up, you're not going to enjoy the payoff. So in 95% of situations with anything, if you dont enjoy the beginning you wont really enjoy anything else
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Pale fare analysis:


for anyone interested in reading this book, please, do NOT go in blind. Don't make the same mistake as I did

This is for sure one of the most unique books i've read. The book is structured like a poetry book, with a poem called "Pale fire", if you don't know better, you will probably skip the afterword since it looks like it was made by the editorial or something, and probably also the index in the back, you would just read the poem, enjoy it, and move on with your life

thing is, unless you look at wikipedia or have someone really tell you this, you may not know that there is actually more book. After the poem there is a big analysis of the book, you would initially think that this was not needed if you just dont want to read an analysis or think you kinda understood the poem. However it's in that analysis that the actual book is at

the point of pale fire, is that every other element (the afterword, the analysis and the index) are part of a different narrative. This becomes clear when you actually read any of them

you will notice at like the third paragraph of the analysis, that our narrator, (which is NOT the author of the poem) is actually clueless and writting a lot of bullshit. Like, they take a line of the book, kinda does something that could be true, and then 3 paragraphs later they're talking about their morning routine. Going to use an example of the start of the book to not spoil anyone

kinbote wrote: 5d4yo

Lines 1-4: I was the shadow of the waxwing slain, etc.
The image in these opening lines evidently refers to a bird knocking itself out, in full flight, against the outer surface of a glass pane in which a mirrored sky, with its slightly darker tint and slightly slower cloud, presents the illusion of continued space. [...]

kinbote wrote: 5d4yo

[...] The poem was begun at the dead center of the year, a few minutes after midnight July 1, while I played chess with a young Iranian enrolled in our summer school
and then, deeper into the book, it doesn't just tell stuff about their life, but actually starts telling a different story whatsoever, thing is, if you're reading this as if it was an actual poem analysis, (me, clueless). The fact taht the narrator is incredibly hateable and clearly spreading lies and stuff not relevant to the poem, will make you just kinda skim some sections when they starts their weird ramblings. However, you're not really supposed to do this, as there is a deeper narrative if you actually do engage critically and analyze the last detail out of those ramblings

and that is, because while there is a plot in the things they say about the kingdom of zembla, there is a deeper plot, about their actual relationship to the actual author, who is he exactly, and why he is doing this. Which, to be completely honest, I missed on my read-through


thing is, you must read the book with a word documment or notebook open and then read every word and then stop after every sentence to study what their actual meaning is. And after you have read it once, you got to read it again, because for sure there is going to be stuff recontextualized and things you missed. Which being honest, it's not my favourite thing to do

however, if you were to do that, you would realize that the book is actually a lot more complex and really well written, but yeah. It's just you need a lot of context before going into the book, as the actual book is not the most enjoyable if not, there are so many things descouraging you from actually reading the book critically that I think most readers currently won't really spot this sort of elements

not also that, but the book is also old, it's from 1962, not only that, but the actual author is russian, but this book was written in an entirely different culture, and they do use references to some stuff that while it may be apparent on the era and location it was written. It's really not noticeable by anyone unless you read the wikipedia article for it and then also watch a video analysis

even if I have complained a lot about the book, I do really like what they're trying to do, use a analysis of a book to tell a entirely different plot. I have seen more modern works with similar concepts, and they're really amazing. And this was the earliest example I know of this sort of story-telling, I just wish this book was easier to get into, because if it wasn't been for wikipedia, I would have missed half the book

the actual plot is good, and part of the acutal plot appeal is the feeling of just calling the fictional narrator out on it's bullshit to then discover more plot. Cant really say any specifics of the plot because of that

noy only that, but there isn't really a concensus what the acutal true plot and events of pale fire are. So yeah, good luck trying to read this

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next: Lackadaisy

also i'm still watching revolutionary girl utena, I just finished chapter 24 and I'm still very much enjoying it
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lackadaisy analysis:

I initially was only going to read the comci, but I liked it, so I watched both the comic and the pilot episode for an animated series

lackadaisy is a pretty nice webcomic, it's about these furry characters in the 20's going around and having adventure, you dont really need to read many chapters to realize that it's that type of webcomic, the one that there is a massive diehard fanbase, mainly in tumblr and if you're looking at it from the outside, you dont really get why

about the webcomic itself, the art is gorgeous. The first chapters start with a sepia color tone reminiscent of old phographs, with pretty detailed drawings behidn it. The sepia tpne was added mainly to make the webcomic easier to draw, as just drawing full color each chapter is incredebly time consuming. Only very successful comics can afford to go full color, however, the sepia aesthetic really fits and blends very well with the 20's detective adventure plot that they go for

however, ther is a radical shift in the art near the end of the manga, switching, effectively, to full colour. And while it does lose a bit of the charm the previous art-style had, it's absolutely amazing, probably one of the best drawn comics i've read in this style. The characters are very well defined and there really isn't anything up for interpretation, which I think fits this story

The characters are great, they're all very likeable. If you told me any character was your favourite I would understand why you think that.

My only real problem with this comic is the plot. It's a very unfocused story, and since they make most of the scenes character moments, there is very little to the plot, it's supposed to be a mistery murder misterty thing but it really doesn't have that energy other than the setting

I don't know, I just think this comic is in the wrong genre, if you want to make a character focused story with great art and focus all your energy in that, make a SoL, not a murder mistery. It does make sense why it isn't a SoL though, and that is because the genre of SoL isn't really present in occidental comics, less in 2006 when this started publication. Which is a shame, because I feel this comic would be SO much better if it just went the pure SoL route

not only that, but with the art-style change it feels it's trying to get more serious, but you cant really have this furry silly little funny characters and then have a hyperdramatic tense moment, you either have one or the other, not both

the pilot episode for the animation is fine, everything appleies to this other than the art, which I feel is a downgrade compared to the art-style of the comic, as it feels that in order to make the animation they got closer to the style of something like hazbin hotel

still good, would recommend it but I just wish it was a SoL

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flowers for algernon next

also i'm still watching utena, i'm on chapter 32, pretty good so far
do over the garden wall please
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lostsilver wrote: 2h4ne

do over the garden wall please
actually did want to watch that show, adding to the list, I have a friend who watched it and enjoyed it so I was curious

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

lostsilver wrote: 2h4ne

do over the garden wall please
actually did want to watch that show, adding to the list, I have a friend who watched it and enjoyed it so I was curious
LET'S GOOOOOOOOO
you will not regret watching it, it's so good!!!

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

flowers for algernon next

also i'm still watching utena, i'm on chapter 32, pretty good so far
Do not skip chapter 33, might be a recap but has details that are important (well just skip the recap parts if you want)

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

flowers for algernon next
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
I love seeing duck happy, thanks patatitta
Wonder if WOY is next after anything you're finishing up now
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MaxIsABigKaiju wrote: 4l614z

Wonder if WOY is next after anything you're finishing up now
wander over yonder is after revolutionary girl utena yes. Probably will finish utena tomorrow
The Platform
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abraker wrote: 5u2f3m

The Platform
not doing horror since i'm a coward and I hate horror

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

abraker wrote: 5u2f3m

The Platform
not doing horror since i'm a coward and I hate horror
boo alright, then Contagion
Can you review stellaris pls I've been playing it for like a week and it's been pretty fun
Metalocalypse
review this curvy ass banana i had a few days ago

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abraker wrote: 5u2f3m

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

abraker wrote: 5u2f3m

The Platform
not doing horror since i'm a coward and I hate horror
boo alright, then Contagion
yeah I can do that


NotRaffi wrote: 453q6o

Can you review stellaris pls I've been playing it for like a week and it's been pretty fun
I can try but let me warn you, i've already played HOI4 and didn't really get into it, so I don't know if stellaris is going to be any different


Dyllion wrote: 5554k

Metalocalypse
I have absolutely no clue of what's this so sure



Cerno wrote: 3h509

review this curvy ass banana i had a few days ago


no

Cerno wrote: 3h509

review this curvy ass banana i had a few days ago

6/10, the shape seems difficult to eat and it's far from the largest banana I have eaten but it seems ripe enough so I guess the flavor must have been okay.
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Did you know? Did you know? I've just watched revolutionary girl utena and really enjoyed it

Utena takes the form of a typical shoujo anime but then puts a spin on it, which on itself is a pretty commo nthing, but the themes that this anime tackles and the way they go on doing it is really cool

for starters, this anime is a way easier anime to follow than penguindrum (From the same director), the way it introduces elements is a lot more gradual IMO, and there isn't that drastic change present in chapters 13-14 of penguindrum. The story is a lot SoL-ish IMO, just utena getting dragged into the duels and then shit flowing very naturally from there on

It is a lot less mind-shattering as penguindrum tho, but that is also because this was made in the late 90's, and it being a subversion of the shoujo genre, if you haven't really grown with it or have all the tropes already ingrained in your head, it's probably not going to hit as hard. Not only that but some of the stuff that this anime does in many ways aren't that noble anymore, however, it's still an amazingly well crafted shoujo-drama-SoL-ish anime that's 100% worth watching

the art-style is great but you really got to like that 90's shoujo aesthetic to really enjoy it (which I do), with all the over-dressed characters and over the top husbandos

The main story is kinda wack, it's for sure unique. It uses the typical shoujo prince/princess love story and then just pushes that to their logical extreme, how that type of idealized love can blind you in some ways like with the rose bride or all the coming of age related stories. And this really just works because all the protagonists are extremely well written, and they feel like an actual person that just has hit puberty as of recent.

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further

you can also clearly see a lot of the ADN for penguindrum early in this anime, having those second openings for certain characters, and sometimes something funny going on in the background or whatever, if you have seen penguindrum you will see the similarities

this is a pretty good anime all around

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next: Wander over yonder
also I started flowers for algernon, i'm enjoying it so far

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further
The movie is gayer even (and ofc more confusing). Can I suggest it?
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eblf2013 wrote: 3l2l1q

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further
The movie is gayer even (and ofc more confusing). Can I suggest it?
oh shit, didn't know there was a movie, is it like ar recap/alternate story thing or is it a sequel?

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

eblf2013 wrote: 3l2l1q

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further
The movie is gayer even (and ofc more confusing). Can I suggest it?
oh shit, didn't know there was a movie, is it like ar recap/alternate story thing or is it a sequel?
Remake/retelling/alternate reality would be a more accurate word. It was made in 1999 but despite that the animation quality is superb. Technically it's standalone but the film is so insane that even by having watched the series I had a hard time getting it lol.
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eblf2013 wrote: 3l2l1q

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

eblf2013 wrote: 3l2l1q

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further
The movie is gayer even (and ofc more confusing). Can I suggest it?
oh shit, didn't know there was a movie, is it like ar recap/alternate story thing or is it a sequel?
Remake/retelling/alternate reality would be a more accurate word. It was made in 1999 but despite that the animation quality is superb. Technically it's standalone but the film is so insane that even by having watched the series I had a hard time getting it lol.
I see, will watch it but later since I already promised wander over yonder
Hi. I'm not going to request an eroge this time. I want you to check a web novel titled "Shinka no Mi". It also has a manga, light novel and anime adaptation. Honestly, pick your poison.
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KatouMegumi wrote: 3j2041

Hi. I'm not going to request an eroge this time. I want you to check a web novel titled "Shinka no Mi". It also has a manga, light novel and anime adaptation. Honestly, pick your poison.
given that I don't really trust the quality of a scanlated japanese web novel, i'm going to read the manga as i'm not really seeing any official translation
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I ended up dropping wander over yonder after the 4th episode

there is nothing particullary wrong about this tv show but IMO there really isn't anything that good either, it's a very frenetic animated TV comedy full of musical numbers and stuff, and honestly my only real problem with this series is that I just didn't find it funny lmao, but that's just purely subjective

the animation is nice, it had some cool shots, but they really don't do anything that weird with the art other than the typical cartoon violence we're all used to

there really isn't much of a plot. Everything kinda does return to the statu quo, so really forget about big plot points, and each chapters start in a random place, so there doesn't really seem any real conection between chapters, so this is just a purely episodic show

the most interesting part are the songs, which again, are just fine, but it doesn't really seem like they do anything particullary special with the musical numbers

I just didn't really watch two seasons of this show, sorry

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next: gilgamesh

updates:

i'm still reading flowers for algernon, still good
how the FUCK do you play stellaris

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

I ended up dropping wander over yonder after the 4th episode

there is nothing particullary wrong about this tv show but IMO there really isn't anything that good either, it's a very frenetic animated TV comedy full of musical numbers and stuff, and honestly my only real problem with this series is that I just didn't find it funny lmao, but that's just purely subjective

the animation is nice, it had some cool shots, but they really don't do anything that weird with the art other than the typical cartoon violence we're all used to

there really isn't much of a plot. Everything kinda does return to the statu quo, so really forget about big plot points, and each chapters start in a random place, so there doesn't really seem any real conection between chapters, so this is just a purely episodic show

the most interesting part are the songs, which again, are just fine, but it doesn't really seem like they do anything particullary special with the musical numbers

I just didn't really watch two seasons of this show, sorry

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next: gilgamesh

updates:

i'm still reading flowers for algernon, still good
how the FUCK do you play stellaris
maxisabigkaiju is gonna be really mad
Ah, yeah, here's the MAL link for the movie, as well as the title being Shoujo Kakumei Utena: Adolescence Mokushiroku. It also received a Castillian Spanish dub this year btw I'd do a YTPH of it if I knew how to edit stuff lol.
https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/anime/441/Shoujo_Kakumei_Utena__Adolescence_Mokushiroku

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

I ended up dropping wander over yonder after the 4th episode

there is nothing particullary wrong about this tv show but IMO there really isn't anything that good either, it's a very frenetic animated TV comedy full of musical numbers and stuff, and honestly my only real problem with this series is that I just didn't find it funny lmao, but that's just purely subjective

the animation is nice, it had some cool shots, but they really don't do anything that weird with the art other than the typical cartoon violence we're all used to

there really isn't much of a plot. Everything kinda does return to the statu quo, so really forget about big plot points, and each chapters start in a random place, so there doesn't really seem any real conection between chapters, so this is just a purely episodic show

the most interesting part are the songs, which again, are just fine, but it doesn't really seem like they do anything particullary special with the musical numbers

I just didn't really watch two seasons of this show, sorry

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next: gilgamesh

updates:

i'm still reading flowers for algernon, still good
how the FUCK do you play stellaris
You have angered me >:(
Play G-Darius next
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MaxIsABigKaiju wrote: 4l614z

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

I ended up dropping wander over yonder after the 4th episode

there is nothing particullary wrong about this tv show but IMO there really isn't anything that good either, it's a very frenetic animated TV comedy full of musical numbers and stuff, and honestly my only real problem with this series is that I just didn't find it funny lmao, but that's just purely subjective

the animation is nice, it had some cool shots, but they really don't do anything that weird with the art other than the typical cartoon violence we're all used to

there really isn't much of a plot. Everything kinda does return to the statu quo, so really forget about big plot points, and each chapters start in a random place, so there doesn't really seem any real conection between chapters, so this is just a purely episodic show

the most interesting part are the songs, which again, are just fine, but it doesn't really seem like they do anything particullary special with the musical numbers

I just didn't really watch two seasons of this show, sorry

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next: gilgamesh

updates:

i'm still reading flowers for algernon, still good
how the FUCK do you play stellaris

You have angered me >:(
Play G-Darius next
will do

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

how the FUCK do you play stellaris
Me too me too, that's kinda the thing that makes me still play, i just want to understand it better

NotRaffi wrote: 453q6o

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

how the FUCK do you play stellaris
Me too me too, that's kinda the thing that makes me still play, i just want to understand it better
Ah yes, the paradox of paradox games; understanding the UI.
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Flowers of algernon is a really good book

the story is simple, there is this guy who has intellectual disability, and due to certain experiments, they manage to rise their IQ to incredibly high levels. The book is mainly focused on that character developement on how this change affects their person and in what ways


the thing is, while the experiments raised their book intelligence to maximum levels, they really didn't do that for their emotional intelligence, moving on from being a lovable idiot to a arrogant, narcissistic redditor and quora . You really feel that slow change too, in the last part of the book, some scenes really hurt emotionally as the book really made you like charlie


the book is also in a way about ableism, but we got to that the original short story was written in 1959, the full novel being released in 1966, so while the book is incredebly ive and honestly pretty ahead of it's time, there are still certain or missconceptions that could be seen as either a little bit offensive or just plain wrong, however you can clearly see the author's intent so that really doesn't matter

the writting style is also very interesting as this book is written in first person, and since charlie barely knew how to write, you can see the actual writting style and vocabulary improve as the book goes on.

I think this book is also very cruel in the way it depicted society, as even if they dont tell you explicitly, you can clearly see all the ways they were exploting charlie, in the bakery with the 10$ a week salary, the non-consensual experiments, and then in the last part of the book how charlie became very sexist

my only real complain with the book is that I wish that it was longer and actually explored tose concepts more, I wanted to see smart charlie opinion on the fact that he was being exploited, but IO guess that in the book he kinda just internalized that and just moved on?, this could also just be a case of the author not really trying to really talk about those stuff or thinking it wasn't quite needed, as I said, the original short story was made in 1959

however, I feel that even if not acknowledged that this book still really allows to see how mentally disabled people were perceived back in the day


yeah this book is really good, and honestly even if it may seem a little bit logical the "you are not superior to anyone for knowing math", some people still need to learn it, and the character developement and things it said about society is also very interesting

also, question for dementedduck, how did you even find this book?, this feels like it could be the type of book that they make you read in school, but if not, where did you find it?, I really want to read more books, have wanted to do so for a long while, but i just dont know any resource to find actually good books like this one, so if you could share anything, it would be helpful

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watched the first chapter of gilgamesh, it was nice
I kinda have a stellaris run going??? I think????

next: Shinka no Mi
potato man has more free time that me how
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Reyalp51 wrote: 6m1t2o

potato man has more free time that me how
unfortunate real life events, hopefully next year I will have less free time

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

also, question for dementedduck, how did you even find this book?, this feels like it could be the type of book that they make you read in school, but if not, where did you find it?, I really want to read more books, have wanted to do so for a long while, but i just dont know any resource to find actually good books like this one, so if you could share anything, it would be helpful
i found it cos it was recommended to me by someone who knew i would like it
normally i find new books through my mum as she also really likes reading but for stuff like this i either get people to recommend them to me or i look at other books by authors i like/ look at what people say the books i like are similar to

you can also just search on google "best *insert genre here* books" and take ur chances, that way u can also add like 'over 400 pages' or 'similar to *etc*' to get a more direct result

edit: o yea u can also just browse websites and look for books with good ratings
eg goodreads or storygraph (pretty much better goodreads)
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Shinka no Mi analysis:

To make clear, i've read the manga, I know there is a web novel and a light novel and an anime, but honestly I feel most of the issues that I have are not adaptation problems, as they're way more fundamental

shinka no mi is just fine, not bad, probably good if you're into fantasy romcoms, but there isn't anything particullary special about it

the story follows the typical fantasy world isekai dragon quest demon king plot, except there are RPG elements, so like solo leveling and the such. Except it's a romcopm, so at the end it's just closer to konosuba than anything else. However I dont like eiother konosuba or solo leveling, so I dont have any feeling to any sort of way

the premise itself is fine, taking familiar elements and then using that as a base to create a banger story is a pretty popular technique, thing is, shinka no mi really doesn't do that

it's just more of the typical things, the rpg elements aren't really used in any sort of noble way, the characters are kinda shallow, and there are also some normal action scenes in it. Nothing of this is bad, as I said, it's just normal, regular stuff. But that means you're only really going to enjoy shinka no mi if you're already actively a fan of these elements, as this offers nothing new to the table

the story is pretty unfocused too, things kinda just happens, and nothing is really given special screen time and depth.

There really isn't anything to really analyze here, since it's just a bland generic fantasy isekai romcom, only read if you like that genre

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updates:

i'm still playing stellaris
i'm still watching gilgamesh

next: there isn't anything more for me to read
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cephaphysic wrote: 406m6w

since i finally got around to finishing it earlier, how about cyberpunk: edgerunners?
yeah sure, still have to play the actual game but if I recall you dont really need to play it to watch the anime
If you got nothing to read can you read "hotel"? It's a manga by the same guy that wrote dr.stone i think
Watch Shinsekai Yori and review
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NotRaffi wrote: 453q6o

If you got nothing to read can you read "hotel"? It's a manga by the same guy that wrote dr.stone i think
this one right? okay, will do


Jangsoodlor wrote: 616554

Watch Shinsekai Yori and review
going to take a while since I have so many things to watch but sure
Yea that one
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just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read
Review my osu! profile lol
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Corne2Plum3 wrote: 2mx5n

Review my osu! profile lol
cant do so, not really anything to analyze or review there
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Gilgamesh analysis:

gilgamesh is a weird one, I can see why someone would like this anime, but i'm not that person. I was originally mixed on it, but honestly giving it the extra thought needed for this I think I kind of dislike it

if someone ever tells you to watch gilgamesh, it is because of the plot, it's probably the best element of the anime, it's kinda like a paranormal mistery drama anime. And well, there is certainly a lot of plot in this, that I can say for sure

this anime plot is fairly dark. This is complemented by the very pale colors used in the animation, the lack of OST for some scenes or disturbing/ambiental sounds, the plate is made in a way that every character always has another secret, that everyone isn't really what it seems and that stuff is very dangerous.

But as for as much lore this anime has, I don't feel it ever really goes in depth into any of it, for example, one of the most talked about events is this "Twin X", a date where shit happened (Trying to not spoil stuff) and changed the future of humanity. However, even if it's total disaster for humanity, you kinda just have to believe that, as the anime wont put much effort into showcasing the life of regular people after these events or how humanity moved forward and what suggestions are there to revert this. This is something that should affect the entire world, however, it really doesn't seem to be only a talking point for our protagonists character arc. It feels this way for most stuff

However, as I mentioned before, this anime is also drama, and I think it's on those drama elements where this anime really falls apart. The characters are just not good IMO, they really dont feel like they have any personality after the obvious "this is a very dark story with dark characters who are hiding things", so when they try to pull of something like a romance, it just doesn't really work since I don't like any of the characters, it's not like they're complete unlikeable assholes, they just dont have much of a personality. And if you dont really care about the characters, you probably wont care about the plot either, it's really easy to lose interest in this anime

In a way, this feels like it took inspiration from evangelion but only evangelion 3.0 you can (not) redo. It's mainly focused on the lore, which is more complex than deep, and the characters fall kinda flat, making for a kinda boring watch.

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next: over the garden wall

I haven't really played stellaris since the last update, so same scenario

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

Gilgamesh analysis:

gilgamesh is a weird one, I can see why someone would like this anime, but i'm not that person. I was originally mixed on it, but honestly giving it the extra thought needed for this I think I kind of dislike it

if someone ever tells you to watch gilgamesh, it is because of the plot, it's probably the best element of the anime, it's kinda like a paranormal mistery drama anime. And well, there is certainly a lot of plot in this, that I can say for sure

this anime plot is fairly dark. This is complemented by the very pale colors used in the animation, the lack of OST for some scenes or disturbing/ambiental sounds, the plate is made in a way that every character always has another secret, that everyone isn't really what it seems and that stuff is very dangerous.

But as for as much lore this anime has, I don't feel it ever really goes in depth into any of it, for example, one of the most talked about events is this "Twin X", a date where shit happened (Trying to not spoil stuff) and changed the future of humanity. However, even if it's total disaster for humanity, you kinda just have to believe that, as the anime wont put much effort into showcasing the life of regular people after these events or how humanity moved forward and what suggestions are there to revert this. This is something that should affect the entire world, however, it really doesn't seem to be only a talking point for our protagonists character arc. It feels this way for most stuff

However, as I mentioned before, this anime is also drama, and I think it's on those drama elements where this anime really falls apart. The characters are just not good IMO, they really dont feel like they have any personality after the obvious "this is a very dark story with dark characters who are hiding things", so when they try to pull of something like a romance, it just doesn't really work since I don't like any of the characters, it's not like they're complete unlikeable assholes, they just dont have much of a personality. And if you dont really care about the characters, you probably wont care about the plot either, it's really easy to lose interest in this anime

In a way, this feels like it took inspiration from evangelion but only evangelion 3.0 you can (not) redo. It's mainly focused on the lore, which is more complex than deep, and the characters fall kinda flat, making for a kinda boring watch.

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next: over the garden wall

I haven't really played stellaris since the last update, so same scenario
Even though I really liked the anime I gotta it the characters are kinda dull, the plot doesn't exactly revolve around the characters though (not the ones we see most of the time at least) but around what they are as a group imo
I understand why people don't like it though :D
I think you should read the Haruhi novels. They're great. And also the only light novel I haven't dropped lol
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eblf2013 wrote: 3l2l1q

I think you should read the Haruhi novels. They're great. And also the only light novel I haven't dropped lol
nah honestly I like having the experience of accidently watching the movie with no further context and I want to keep it that way, i'm sure they're great, but that experience feels kinda special

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read
Hotel was pretty good tbh, it is just like that tho, the first chapter kinda feels like it's gonna focus more about the humans that was still alive but it didn't.

Also if you review novels can you read "the devastation of baal", I'm planning to buy a copy but idk if it's gonna be good or nah.

If you're not reading novels, can you read "Uramiya Honpo" By kurihara shoushou, it's a pretty good manga imo
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NotRaffi wrote: 453q6o

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read
Hotel was pretty good tbh, it is just like that tho, the first chapter kinda feels like it's gonna focus more about the humans that was still alive but it didn't.

Also if you review novels can you read "the devastation of baal", I'm planning to buy a copy but idk if it's gonna be good or nah.

If you're not reading novels, can you read "Uramiya Honpo" By kurihara shoushou, it's a pretty good manga imo

I don't know anything about warhammer so idk if I'm going to enjoy the devastation of baal

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

NotRaffi wrote: 453q6o

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read
Hotel was pretty good tbh, it is just like that tho, the first chapter kinda feels like it's gonna focus more about the humans that was still alive but it didn't.

Also if you review novels can you read "the devastation of baal", I'm planning to buy a copy but idk if it's gonna be good or nah.

If you're not reading novels, can you read "Uramiya Honpo" By kurihara shoushou, it's a pretty good manga imo

I don't know anything about warhammer so idk if I'm going to enjoy the devastation of baal
Aw, it's alright then if you don't wanna start reading a new massive world again.

Then can you just read uramiya Honpo instead?
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NotRaffi wrote: 453q6o

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

NotRaffi wrote: 453q6o

Patatitta wrote: 4y1w

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read
Hotel was pretty good tbh, it is just like that tho, the first chapter kinda feels like it's gonna focus more about the humans that was still alive but it didn't.

Also if you review novels can you read "the devastation of baal", I'm planning to buy a copy but idk if it's gonna be good or nah.

If you're not reading novels, can you read "Uramiya Honpo" By kurihara shoushou, it's a pretty good manga imo

I don't know anything about warhammer so idk if I'm going to enjoy the devastation of baal
Aw, it's alright then if you don't wanna start reading a new massive world again.

Then can you just read uramiya Honpo instead?
yeah I can do that
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over the garden wall analysis:

I've went with high expectations into this, as i've constantly heard good things about it, so I will be even more nit-picky than usual

The story is about two brothers who gets lost in this forest and must find their way home. The aesthetic and ambient of this show is absolutely amazing, with that dark forest halloween creatures setting, this also combines perfectly with the plot of trying to return home, as it adds a sense of danger and mysticism

The structure of this show is very similar to an episodic one, there is still the overarching plot and some characters get introduced midway through it, but the chapters are mostly self-contained stories, and it mostly plays around with the idea of that we maybe fear the wrong things. That we're putting the trust in the wrong people, as in many parts of the show it turns out that the weird creature is actually not trying to kill everyone and destroy the world, but it's the human that's actually more scary

The first 2 chapters are strong, specially chapter 2, the one with all the pumpkin people, I think that it is by far the best episode in the whole thing, however, we mostly start seeing the problems I have with the show in the next few chapters (Will spoiler the next since i'm talking of like every single chapter)

chapter 3 is really dumb, like all of it, the premise on how they get involved into the situation in a way feels kinda forced, and IMO there are a couple of weird jokes like the bear one that turns out to be the ex otf the teacher? like idk really, it feels to go in opposite direction to the dark world and the trust premise

This is more of a personal thing, but I like it when a series has banger dialogue, i'm a sucker for amazingly written, almost poetic dialogue even if it's less realistic and no sane human would ever talk like that. So when in chapter 4, at the start they literally go "let's go to that dark and scary looking place over there to ask for directions!" I died a little bit inside

my problem with this one line of dialogue is not the comedy itself, I think comedy does have a place in a show like this, however it should be the sitaution that turns out to be kinda funny, however if you put a setup for a joke in such a cristal clear way, the characters start feeling less of a character and a real line of dialogue and more just something that had to happen in the script, and it overalls makes me care less of the dialogue of the entire show. If I know that they're willing to just use the dialogue as a perfectly obvious way to try to set up something for later in such an unnatural way, I know that the dialogue isn't that deep, that there isn't really going to be any hidden meaning to the words, that there hasn't been that much brainpower into creating banger dialogue, and I think that's a shame.

And while I have mostly complained about that single line, I think that the characters overall could be heavily improved, I really don't like the existance of gregory in the way that it does now. That sense of danger that the world inherently created, he removes it. The way he just delivers these transparent funny lines, and the plot armour both characters has kina just kill a lot of the more action/tension focused moments

because that's another thing, they clearly have a lot of plot armour, the characters do clearly make the wrong choice at times, but they're never punished for it. There is no consequence for their actions, at the end of the day thigns will probably be alright, and I think that is a shame, I feel with the aesthetic and ideas of this show, actually just having those consequences would make the show 20 times better

If the characters could be damaged in any way, if they didn't feel like they had to deliver those jokes, the actual message and plot would be so much more powerful and memorable, if we could just have a scene of a character actually losing their fucking mind amist the absolutely nightmarish ambient, just because they made a wrong choice that they really didn't have that many chances of actually seeing through it, showcassing the clearly unfair situation they were placed in and being forced to reconciliate and adapt to it, learning from their previous action and pushing forward, that would be so fucking sick you cant even begin to imagine it

but that is what I personally wanted the show to be like, and what it seemed to be pointing at with chapter 2, however we got to actually sit down and realize that this is a cartoon network show, that this in a way, it's still directed at kids. In that context these characters works and the plot armour makes sense.

For as much as the "Animation is not just for kids" is absolutely true, it's not really the case. The medium of animation isn't really necessarily for kids, however, in western countries, the only companies with the creative directors and the money to make shows happen have rules that forces the shows to be kid-friendly

That really makes me wonder, if this same director were given the opportunity to have made the show with the same resources but without the limitations cartoon network has, what would they have done?. It's just a shame IMO that something with so much potential had to be trimmed down this way, and while it's still a really good western animated show, (one of the better ones i've seen tbh), it could have been so, so much more

it's just, knowing that structure and those limitations, I don't think I need to really tell you how this show ends, you already know how, you already know what happens and what does not happen, so i'm not really going to talk about any more specific chapters

tldr: good show but god I wish we had someone actually pushing for good animated shows not directed at children

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next: contagion
still haven't really progressed in stellaris
still haven't started Uramiya Honpo
glad you seemed to like it :) honestly my favorite cartoon
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I dropped Uramiya Honpo, kinda just read the start, but idk, it didn't really feel interesting, the story feels so unfocused, things kinda just happens, idk what am I supposed to be looking at with this, honestly i've re-read the first volume seeing if I had missed anything but it didn't seem so. Idk, It's just not my thing I guess

Stellaris analysis
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I have not finished a playthrough as I said, because my thoughts on the game hasn't really changed since then, so i'm just going to say what I think now seeing as it's going to take me around 4 years to actually finish a run

stellaris is a grand strategy game by paradox, and if you've played like HOI4 or crusaders kings and the such you know what I will mean when I say that this game probably has the steepest learning curve i've ever played

stellaris feels like you are playing civilization but there are 20 extra buttons that you dont know what the fuck does, the tutorial does not explain anything, in fact, the tutorial is straight up broken and bad. It doesn't really explain half of the things of the game, and the things that they explain are just not true, for example I the "Press f10 to open x window" and it was straght up the wrong shortcut

when I played the game, if it wasn't that I'm foring myself to really go a little bit deeper on the stuff I do here to try and finish them, I would have dropped the game right there. Instead, I googled how to play, and I found like an hour long video explaining all the mechanis, 30 minute in I was so absolutely overwhelmed that I just decided fuck it, and just decided to play the game without knowing how to even build a ship

the only I knew were how to scan planets and build stuff in the planets, so I just did that for like an hour, I did learn some stuff along the way, but honestly, if the window had a button to say "do this automatically" (which is surprisingly half of the game), I would press it. And I do thing doing that is needed, mainly in research, as many of the technologies that got offered to me were like "20% increased extraction rate on x material", what does that material do? I have absolutely no idea!, and since there are like 10 different resources and I wanted to actually play the game, I just ignored as many parts as I could afford to ignore

While I know civ is 4X and stellaris is grand strategy, I did see that there was a civ point system, so I was like, "oh, I dont need to necessarily win by domination", so I mainly focused on economy and research bonus, hoping that I could get something along the lines of a cultural or religious victory, just form a hyper strong galactic alliance or something like that idk

the game in a way was pretty relaxing when played that way, just go around exploring stuff, reading all the events and stuff and trying to just expand in the best way I could, honestly kinda fun, but then, I made first with another civ

for context, later in the game a galactical union is formed, and all of the civs were at least neutral with me, all but the one I made first with, which was PISSED, even if I did my best to try to improve relationships, and they declared war, I thought I could hold off if I mainly stayed on my territory with the maximum defenses I could afffort but they kinda just had 6 times the firepower and I lost the war, losing my home system

after that, they seemed to be preparing for another war in order to finish me off, so I had to actually try to play the game and obtain defenses, and then I realized something. For all of the game so far, in each event and option, I kinda just went with the option I would personally RP, not really looking at the benefits, just going full RP, I had done this before in games like civ (which I know how to properly play but I still choose to play that way from time to time), but in order to actually have a chance to beating stellaris, at least without a high enough level of experience and playtime, the optimal way to play is to not read the events, just look at the possible answers and choose the one you think it's the most useful which is kinda boring IMO

but now i've learned how to build more ships, however i'm capped by the ammount of leaders I can select so I cant really do that many troops, but i'm currently just continuing my gameplay loop of exploring and building stuff but this time i'm actually building defenses and stuff

stellaris is just a constant rollercoaster of being the most overwhelming and frustrating game you've ever played and actually a pretty chill experience, honestly stellaris felt somehow more frustrating than fear and hunger, and that is saying a lot

however, I do think the game can be pretty interesting and give for tons of different runs and strategies, it's just a love-hate game for me, I just wish the game had a properly working tutorial and wasn't as hard to get into, it is for sure better than fear and hunger (I did not like that game). I will probably play some more stellaris in the future, try to finish this run and then maybe write a little bit more when I do lol

Contagion analysis
I only really knew about this movei beforehand because it got more popular due to the pandemic, which was logical as this movie was about a pandemic, and while it isn't anything particullary mind-blowing or original, I think it was an enjoyable watch

the story was fairly good, even if it very unrealistic given recent events (tbh I cant really blame the dierctor for this, most movies are unrealistic, it's just that this has currently become blatantly so), and it does good with the setting it has, it doesn't go particullary in depth but it does have some elements that I think are really cool, like the fact that you can use touching people as a lethal weapon

the characters were likeable, the dialogue was fairly standard, nothing about these elements are particullary interesting but they aren't bad either, they're just average

I think the most interesting part of the movie currently isn't the movie itself, but more what the movie represents. An idea on how a very dangerous pandemic would play out in the modern day, and it is fairly funny on how over the top some of the elements are, it's really surprising, And I can really tell some people were imagining that something like this would happen IRL this when covid started.

I dont really have anything more to say, it's just a standard movie that has become more enjoyable as of recent, watch it if you dont really have anything else or if you just want to have anything in your second monitor or something


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next: metalocalypse (TV show)
next: G-darius (Game)
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Watch The Flying Luna Clipper (1987)

https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/anime/39020/Flying_Luna_Clipper

MAL link above.
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eblf2013 wrote: 3l2l1q

Watch The Flying Luna Clipper (1987)

https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/anime/39020/Flying_Luna_Clipper

MAL link above.
I will, added to the list
You never cease to amaze me Patatitta. You are quite active on this forum.
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nekonyo wrote: 4f722p

You never cease to amaze me Patatitta. You are quite active on this forum.
been here for like at least 2 years, it's actually quite nice ngl
Watch Children of Men
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Karmine wrote: 4x3m25

Watch Children of Men
will do
Analyze the character of v1 from ultrakill yourself

Like, why is he doing this and blah blah blah
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Dementedjet wrote: 2h5xe

Analyze the character of v1 from ultrakill yourself

Like, why is he doing this and blah blah blah
I mean, while I do love ultrakill (it's my favourite shooter), I feel focusing on the characters and story is in a way missing the point of the game, since it's clear that they didn't put as much effort and ion into the lore compared to that one fishing level, so I don't really think that analyzing v1 would be particullary interesting
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