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Sorry, wasn't sure if i could participate but ed right before regs closed. I probably took a position that could have potentially been yours ;_;jdshark wrote: 1v4l2b
I am in the same boat as goatlife, be grateful you have the chance to compete. I'll be rooting my country on whether I'm on or off the team itself.
Also, i had no idea i even made the team. Didn't realize it till i was told yesterday by someone else on the team... so i should probably start playing again
As it stands now, we have 23 ed rosters. Since this is an odd number, we have several way of how to structure the group stage.
Generally, letting 16 teams seems weird due to the low amount of competitiors. As we plan to only let 8 teams ascend to the double elimination stage, we have these options figured:
Generally, letting 16 teams seems weird due to the low amount of competitiors. As we plan to only let 8 teams ascend to the double elimination stage, we have these options figured:
- We form 3 groups á 6 teams and 1 group á 5 teams, whereas the top 2 of every group ascends.
- We form 6 groups á 3 teams and 2 groups á 4 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends.
- We form 5 groups á 4 teams and 1 group á 3 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends + the best 2 2nd places across all groups.
The only objective seeding would be determined by the average raw pp or average global rank of the entire team. Personally, I planned to seed the teams by the average raw pp.
Letting 16 of 23 (~70%) teams makes a group stage obsolete, as it serves to "prefilter" before we enter the actual load-heavy double elimination stage.Nashmun wrote: 682d3f
Wow, why can't we have a regular 16teams brackets ? As for the three options I have no special preference but whatever you chose make sure you seed the teams before drawing.
Why not based on the three main participant instead ? That mean a team with 3 people ~#200 would be higher seeded than a team with 3players ~#100 and backups ~#500, which seems pretty odd to meLoctav wrote: 5b1v22
The only objective seeding would be determined by the average raw pp or average global rank of the entire team. Personally, I planned to seed the teams by the average raw
I say the third one is the best. So people will have to care about other groups too, not just their one.Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
As it stands now, we have 23 ed rosters. Since this is an odd number, we have several way of how to structure the group stage.
Generally, letting 16 teams seems weird due to the low amount of competitiors. As we plan to only let 8 teams ascend to the double elimination stage, we have these options figured:
Let me know what you guys like the most.
- We form 3 groups á 6 teams and 1 group á 5 teams, whereas the top 2 of every group ascends.
- We form 6 groups á 3 teams and 2 groups á 4 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends.
- We form 5 groups á 4 teams and 1 group á 3 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends + the best 2 2nd places across all groups.
I know That, but you cannot encourage people to have "backups" in their teams and then penalize them in the seeding system for taking more players than the strict minimum.Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
There is no such thing as "main participant". The idea or term of "backups" has been abolished 2 years ago. Everyone is an equal member of their team.
Some teams could actually be tempted to take fewer players if it can give them better seeds. (Not talking about our case)
I have to agree with XavierJones.XavierJones wrote: 2yx2g
I say the third one is the best. So people will have to care about other groups too, not just their one.
With this it is more likely to get though the first round, if you had trouble in some matches. It also shows, how the two 2nd places could perform in the following matches, by comparing the matches they've played.
The first one is the middle way, which means it's acceptable, although it means that there are gonna be the risk of setting early winners. But if the matchmaking is based on raw pp it could go well.
With the second option to say is the worst. if it's only with 2 matches this would cause into enourmous pressure on the teams, and that every round literally decides about the end.
If it's with a rematch, it could be better, but still not good enough in comparison with option 1 and 3.
First one is the bestLoctav wrote: 5b1v22
Let me know what you guys like the most.
- We form 3 groups á 6 teams and 1 group á 5 teams, whereas the top 2 of every group ascends.
- We form 6 groups á 3 teams and 2 groups á 4 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends.
- We form 5 groups á 4 teams and 1 group á 3 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends + the best 2 2nd places across all groups.
For the third one, if you have 2 big power house in the same group, one of them will be kicked easily, which makes the game less interesting
Second one is wrong. 6x3 +2x4 = 18+8 = 26 . Please work on your maths.
My own suggestion is
5 x 3 , 2 x 4 a total of 7 group
which 7 1st will promote, and the 2nd from the 2 groups of 4 will have an extra match which complete the last slot
The pros of this is letting the 2 groups of 4 , which should be harder to get the 1st, have a chance to come back
So, the registration phase was till 22nd, it means the team drawing will begin this weekend? At least I understand it that way (28th? 1st of March?)Loctav wrote: 5b1v22
As by today, we extend the registration phase till 22nd February 2015, 23:59:59 UTC+0.
...or was it two weeks after the registration phase... waiting for news as well
Oh BTW, am I the only one who wants to see THIS as a Tiebreaker in finals? or just as a tiebreaker
no kill pls
Are we gonna have Round of 16 or go straight to the Quarter-Finals? I think having Round of 16 is fair because kicking out 16 countries out of 24 is too much, you should let 4 countries go to the Round of 16 and kick out 2 countries per group.
Does that mean that person should be in the US team? ;w;Tasha wrote: 4q5r3n
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Oh, we discussed that forth and back and forth and back. One point is that Group Stage is a huge effort, making it a bit of obsolete to host it when we keep majority of the participants.K i u i wrote: 3q3fl
Probably just forgotten to edit the Wiki. Loctav seems unwilling to qualify two thirds of the participants after group stage.
When's the schedule coming up?
On the other hand, we found that it was a bit unfair to only let the top 2 ascend, when we have two top seeded teams in each group. This results in frustration for majority of the participants, as they assume that they know already the ascenders of their group, anyways.
We came to the conclusion to consider the groupstage as true-seeding for the knock-out bracket. Even if majority of the group stage may ascend, the position your own group determines your starting position in the double elimination bracket. A raw-pp seeding is not the way to determine that.
Considering that, it seems also fine to kick 2 players per group and let 4 per group ascend, yet knowing that in the knock-out bracket, we will have a 1v4/2v3 setup, as Tasha suggested last year. So even if it is easy to ascend to the knock-outs per se, your position in the group determines the "supposed difficulty of your first knock out encounter".
Sorry for the huge confusion, I decided to go with doing a Round of 16, not cancelling it. Especially since we have evenly sized groups now (yey, 24 teams!), this is acceptable for me now.
Schedule will be released in a few minutes, I am rechecking all time slots now to avoid double-placements.
I believe it's Open Broadcaster Software from obsproject.com/- Korean Kiwi - wrote: 2q71z
How do you stream the tournaments? What programme do you use?
It's free, open source and completely awesome.
And also the tournament clientDarkStoorM wrote: 375856
I believe it's Open Broadcaster Software from obsproject.com/- Korean Kiwi - wrote: 2q71z
How do you stream the tournaments? What programme do you use?
It's free, open source and completely awesome.
Let me recall that you are still allowed to suggest maps for the mappools. Preferable your own maps.
Maps of all levels are needed for this and future TWCs and are prefered to be ranked (yet, it's not a must). Is your map unique or provides an interesting song? PM me!
Have a little insight of what we got so far:
Maps of all levels are needed for this and future TWCs and are prefered to be ranked (yet, it's not a must). Is your map unique or provides an interesting song? PM me!
Have a little insight of what we got so far:
well played, good luck!Niko-nyan wrote: 6m1841
gg Chile
https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/mp/14571285
Just a suggestion for match schedulers, I know this is hard to come up with a proper schedule with so many matches and you did a great job. But next time could you please let a bigger gap between the last match of the night for a team and its first match in the morning ? I mean we finished at midnight yesterday, and we have to play in an hour, which means we have less than 10h gap for sleeping and stuff. I'm awake but I look like a zombie
Luna wrote: 2t573e
This DarkStoorM fellow seems pretty cool
ggwp Ukraine and Poland, was really fun
Also, thanks everyone. Group stage was a bit too hard for me, now I can't even imagine the RO16.
But I had fun, that matters the most. Well played everyone, and see you around next week!
This should be the mappool if i did not made any mistakes.
Have fun with it. If there are problems, just report them to me.
Good luck to every participant for the Round of 16! (:
Have fun with it. If there are problems, just report them to me.
Good luck to every participant for the Round of 16! (:
Mappool Group Stage Information b3h3j
The amount of times maps in GS stage has been used.
Colours representing their respected mods.
2 EastNewSound - Lucid Dream (Natteke) [lepidon! - Taiko Oni]
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27 ryo (supercell) - ODDS&ENDS (Short Ver.) (mintong89) [Taiko Oni]
27 Nomizu Iori - Black + White (TV Size) (Makyu) [0gre's Oni]
21 cranky - R176 (taka1235) [Pangko]
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19 Ryu* - Mind Mapping (kors k mix) (Jerry) [m1ng's Oni]
16 Dj Mashiro - Prismatic Lollipops (victorica_db) [Kagami's Oni]
15 Basic Element - Touch You Right Now (Kiiwa) [Kana's Taiko Oni]
13 Hige Driver . SELEN - Dadadadadadadadadada (qoot8123) [Oni]
11 paraoka feat. yusuke - center piercing (sakuzyo bootleg) (RLC) [714's Taiko Oni]
11 sasakure.UK (feat.Hatsune Miku) - SeventH-HeaveN [Love's Inner Oni]
10 kors k feat.Yoshikawa Sunao - 7 Colors (sionKotori) [Naryuga's Taiko Oni]
10 Hashimoto Miyuki - Yume miru mama ni Koi wo shite (S i R i R u) [31's Taiko]
10 Riryka - Hashiru Sekai to Bokura no Mirai (short version) (Charlotte) [Oni]
10 senya - Yozakura ni Kimi o Kakushite (Dainesl) [Oni]
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9 Ellie Goulding - Burn (Nashmun) [Oni]
9 MuryokuP - Catastrophe (meiikyuu) [Haruka's Oni]
5 Nekomata Master+ - squall (wa_) [TK'S Oni]
5 ave;new feat. Sakura Saori - True My Heart (Suzuka Asahina) [Climbb's Taiko Oni]
4 Shihori - Day Breaker (Frostmourne) [Ono's Taiko Oni]
RO 16 Mappool can be found in the wiki!
Tbh I do not understand this request at all.DarkStoorM wrote: 375856
Hmmm... I wonder if there could be some kind of a new category in the mappool like Extra, where you put one custom hard map, and to make it more fair - available only from semi-finals(?)
That probably makes no sense, but... hmmm.
We had that discussion in 2014. Back then I mainly used such maps since I didn't want people to play in their HD/HR confort zone. Those who demand of beeing HD/HR-Master(or even the TWC Masters) shall show it in the TWC by playing these very maps. And to be honest, I still have that opinion. But back then it was seen as too exeggerated and endagered the fun in the tournament, so we had a consens to have for next year (this year; 2015) a mix of low and high bpm maps in HR and HD, so players are able to choose. But it speaks for itself if a team avoids or bans these maps. Not that I want to expose anyone. That's why we will have a mix this year. But at the end, it's an world cup after all. People should show that they are the best. Beside that, it also gives a new tactical aspects which should make the TWC more interesting.AlexGc96 wrote: 3i4z3o
https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/b/86160&m=1
What the f-katsu, man
So yeah, for this year you can be sure that every higher-mappool will have at least one of these special maps in HR and HD. Question is just if I'm going to rise the number of maps which are like that. But in any case, there will be always a normal HD / HR pick. And don't forget that there is the NM bracket, too!