Read over the suggestion again, please. This spinner is definitely insane level and harder than the insane part (+ inconsistent, D.N.Angel has the right idea here).

Xakyrie wrote: 3ja2b

I do agree it's a hard, but this, it's more for an insane. It's quite ambiguous, but really... it should be moved so it's easier to read and less restarting at the beginning (there's no excuse, people who tested are not noobs either). Even more so, the insane diff (rather, D.N.Angel's diff) is easier to read because of the timing between the spinner and the first note, which should indicate to you what you should do about this.

Nope. It's fine.
Case closed~

Miya wrote: 4g494n

Nope. It's fine.
Case closed~

Makar wrote: 441t17

Part of being a good mapper/modder is giving reasons for denying suggestions

o.o?

Can you read my statement above? Jeez..

I really don't like you being so pushy to me

Sorry, I'm not meaning to be pushy.

I just expected better from a MAT.

Goodluck with this, /me pats

Xakyrie wrote: 3ja2b

[D.N.Angel]

• Beatmap Design/Arrangement
  (The basis of the map, such as flow, consistency, and aesthetic design are found here.)
  

1. 00:09:882 (2) - for better flow, reverse the start/end. //no
2. 00:10:444 (4,1) - ^ both of these, too. //no
3. 00:23:569 (3) - ^ //no...
4. 00:32:569 (3) - ^ //^
5. 00:50:007 (1) - ^ //^
6. 00:52:444 (x) - a note here so it's consistent and adds to flow. //I want to follow the vocal
7. 00:58:069 (x) ^ //there are nothing I can follow ...
8. 00:59:382 (2,3,4,5,6) - done so wrong. half of it is following something and the other half isn't. a good idea would be to move this whole highlighted section back two ticks and work with it from there, just follow the music then fix the placement of things. //no
9. 01:02:194 (1,2) - flip these two or rearrange them? the flow here is really off. //no...
10. 01:16:632 (x) - for the sake of consistency, fill this in please. //it can't follow anything - -
11. 01:21:882 (2) - flip this around? you'll need to fix 01:22:444 (3) too if you follow, if you do (which I hope), fix it so you can allow more room for flow and consistency. //still no
12. 01:23:007 (1) - from here to the end is really inconsistent and hard to follow; no comment... ._. //the rhythm should be these -.-

Hitsounds
(Listed sounds can be used as an overture, so feel free to ignore unless further noted. Based on mapper's style.)

1. 00:07:444 (4) - remove?
2. 00:08:944 (5,6,7) - clap should be on (5), not (7).
3. 00:12:038 (6,7) - whistle on (7) instead of (6)?
4. 00:12:882 (3) - remove on the end?
5. 00:14:382 (1) - remove on the end?
6. 00:47:569 (2,3) - flip whistle placement?
7. 01:27:694 (1) - are you sure the whistles from here to the end fit?

New Combos
(Used to introduce a new phrase and/or pattern, the following suggest consistency within your map.)

1. 00:52:632 (1,2) - remove new combo, new combo?
2. 01:00:319 (8,1) - new combo, remove new combo?
3. 01:12:319 (5,1) - ^
4. 01:13:819 (6,1) - ^
5. 01:17:382 (1) - remove new combo?

nothing gotta change,but still thank you for modding

I can't even quote the things that need to be said.

So basically, this is what I understand from you guys. You expect us to give good reasons as to why we suggest a change in your maps, but you aren't obligated to do the same because you don't feel you should have to. What is your reasoning for this? Our reasons for offering and persisting in our pursuit of these things is because we want to see change. Change for what? Change for the better. Suggestions are made to improve your map, not make them complete and utter shit, which you might think it is. You blatantly ignored several mods (both of you) without any good reason, and I would expect you to give the same amount of respect back to the modders who modded because it does not help anyone. People want to know why their suggestions are wrong, or why you choose to differ in your stance. You have the nerve to confront people about how rude they are to you because they are trying to tell you that there is indeed an issue in need of fixing, when your position is merely the same: you yourselves are rude too.

Ignoring mods because you don't have to listen to minors is a bad attitude to have. What if we, the minors in the community, have helpful tips to offer you? Because we're not in any state to tell you otherwise, you decide not to listen because it will hurt your ego? Is it really that bad to accept truly beneficial mods from people who aren't technically qualified? I get the feeling that deceptive, egotistical front you put up is more important than anything to you both. It might be too much of a pain to accept mods from others because it will hurt your pride, won't it?

So don't think you're out of the hot water. I guess I'm not really in any position to tell you what to do, but things need to be said. Maybe you don't realize how much of a fool you made yourself look here. I don't mean to bring this into matters again, but that spinner in Miya's hard diff seriously needs to change because of it's inconsistency within the mapset and because it is extremely hard to read in contrast to the insane diff D.N.Angel provided. Either D.N.Angel changes the timing between the spinner and the first note to 1/2 or vice versa, or you could not heed this and continue to make maps that will make players furious (because really, that spinner is ridiculously hard to read and recover from at that level). I hope you take this into consideration in the future because both of your attitudes are pathetic and sadly hypocritical.


If this hurts your feelings, you obviously have a list of things to work on, don't you?

Xakyrie wrote: 3ja2b

I can't even quote the things that need to be said.

So basically, this is what I understand from you guys. You expect us to give good reasons as to why we suggest a change in your maps, but you aren't obligated to do the same because you don't feel you should have to.

not me D: I fix most of it ! D:


btw awesome ava cherry ;3

HeatKai wrote: 5b401y

not me D: I fix most of it ! D:


btw awesome ava cherry ;3

lol not you, HeatKai. I was referring to the two people who denied most mods for no reason o.o;


and thanks. ></

Stop being so pushy to me. I already considered your suggestion, and discuss with osuplayer111 and Kawayi Rika and conclude that this is not a problem. If you talking about this matter again, it will be likely ignored.

Xakyrie wrote: 3ja2b

I can't even quote the things that need to be said.

So basically, this is what I understand from you guys. You expect us to give good reasons as to why we suggest a change in your maps, but you aren't obligated to do the same because you don't feel you should have to. What is your reasoning for this? Our reasons for offering and persisting in our pursuit of these things is because we want to see change. Change for what? Change for the better. Suggestions are made to improve your map, not make them complete and utter shit, which you might think it is. You blatantly ignored several mods (both of you) without any good reason, and I would expect you to give the same amount of respect back to the modders who modded because it does not help anyone. People want to know why their suggestions are wrong, or why you choose to differ in your stance. You have the nerve to confront people about how rude they are to you because they are trying to tell you that there is indeed an issue in need of fixing, when your position is merely the same: you yourselves are rude too.

Ignoring mods because you don't have to listen to minors is a bad attitude to have. What if we, the minors in the community, have helpful tips to offer you? Because we're not in any state to tell you otherwise, you decide not to listen because it will hurt your ego? Is it really that bad to accept truly beneficial mods from people who aren't technically qualified? I get the feeling that deceptive, egotistical front you put up is more important than anything to you both. It might be too much of a pain to accept mods from others because it will hurt your pride, won't it?

So don't think you're out of the hot water. I guess I'm not really in any position to tell you what to do, but things need to be said. Maybe you don't realize how much of a fool you made yourself look here. I don't mean to bring this into matters again, but that spinner in Miya's hard diff seriously needs to change because of it's inconsistency within the mapset and because it is extremely hard to read in contrast to the insane diff D.N.Angel provided. Either D.N.Angel changes the timing between the spinner and the first note to 1/2 or vice versa, or you could not heed this and continue to make maps that will make players furious (because really, that spinner is ridiculously hard to read and recover from at that level). I hope you take this into consideration in the future because both of your attitudes are pathetic and sadly hypocritical.


If this hurts your feelings, you obviously have a list of things to work on, don't you?

I didn't ignore your suggestions
I read all of them
I just wanna say "you don't understand how a mappers made their map" . It means "you don't understand me at all"
you just care how your feeling is, don't care how mappers set their "NCs,hitsounds,mapset,flows" patterns
That's why I changed nothing
your modding is not helpful for me at all,sorry about this

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

I just wanna say "you don't understand how a mappers made their map" . It means "you don't understand me at all"

Same way can be said about how you went about with this mod (and with any mod too!) Go at a mod with an open mind and if you don't agree with it provide a legitimate reason to back it up. Saying just "no" is soo rude it just puts a negative image on you and makes you look like a giantasshole. Stop being so butt hurt, mods are to improve your map not make them a shitty mess.

Please guys, calm down.

Weezy wrote: 6461q

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

I just wanna say "you don't understand how a mappers made their map" . It means "you don't understand me at all"

Same way can be said about how you went about with this mod (and with any mod too!) Go at a mod with an open mind and if you don't agree with it provide a legitimate reason to back it up. Saying just "no" is soo rude it just puts a negative image on you and makes you look like a giantasshole. Stop being so butt hurt, mods are to improve your map not make them a shitty mess.

/me sighs


Modding : "it can be a good flow"
Reply : "no" ; "no,I think it is fine" ; "no,I don't want to change this" ; "no,I think mine is better"
Do you think there are any different ?

I just replied "no" bcz there are so many things like that

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

I just wanna say "you don't understand how a mappers made their map" . It means "you don't understand me at all"

it is the major reason

Weezy wrote: 6461q

Same way can be said about how you went about with this mod (and with any mod too!)

I usually reply like this


that's it

changed AR and lead-in in some diffs, and I'm pretty sure the nice map is ready now
rebubbled

omg '~'
people so extreme..

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

Modding : "it can be a good flow"
Reply : "no" ; "no,I think it is fine" ; "no,I don't want to change this" ; "no,I think mine is better"
Do you think there are any different ?

No, there's no difference; you're missing the most important part:
"No, it's not a good flow because...".

those wrote: 2f131h

No, there's no difference; you're missing the most important part:
"No, it's not a good flow because...".

Have my babies.
I cannot stress this enough. Ignoring this and just saying "no" to things just makes the mod useless and nobody learns from it.

You are a MAT, Miya; you are supposed to be helpful. Is that not your role here...?

Anyways, enough of this I guess... I'll still try to mod this tonight. I see a lot of comments in this thread about the easy and I skimmed through it myself and agree with most of the modders here, so that will be my main focus I guess.

stop this guys,
if I'm miya, I'm gonna cry with all this ;_;

also, I like this one:

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

I just wanna say "you don't understand how a mappers made their map" . It means "you don't understand me at all"

and about my easy, i guess that's still feel easy. altough that's has 2.9 star

I know your pro and I'm still noob. but noob people still can think their best way too..

Makar wrote: 441t17

those wrote: 2f131h

/me deeply sighs
you didn't understand what I meant,did you ?
I don't want to say more words



well,it's time to shoot a star
good luck

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

Makar wrote: 441t17

those wrote: 2f131h

/me deeply sighs
you didn't understand what I meant,did you ?
I don't want to say more words

如果你說他們不了解你做的圖,那麼你應該讓他們了解你的圖,說出你沒有改的原因."我覺得我的更好"是個很無力的理由, 你應該用語言說出為什麼你的更好,或者為什麼垃圾.也許以后可以幫助他們更好的mod圖.這當然也是做圖的對自己做的圖負責任的一個表現.如果你什麼都說不出來你自己圖好處, 那麼又憑什麼說你了解你自己的圖?

Just my 2 cents.

Stop being silly guys
If mapper said no, then no
said yes, then yes
need more explain? Send a PM
don't explode this holy beatmap thread
no more discontent/discussion, respect mappers plz
thanks

and good luck Miya :3

Star Stream wrote: 2c4j26

Stop being silly guys
If mapper said no, then no
said yes, then yes
need more explain? Send a PM
don't explode this holy beatmap thread
no more discontent/discussion, respect mappers plz
thanks

Thank for this,star stream

sorry but I must reply one more

it is the respect for him

↓ need someone translate these ...

Mashiro Mito wrote: 672x13

如果你說他們不了解你做的圖,那麼你應該讓他們了解你的圖,說出你沒有改的原因."我覺得我的更好"是個很無力的理由, 你應該用語言說出為什麼你的更好,或者為什麼垃圾.也許以后可以幫助他們更好的mod圖.這當然也是做圖的對自己做的圖負責任的一個表現.如果你什麼都說不出來你自己圖好處, 那麼又憑什麼說你了解你自己的圖?

Just my 2 cents.

終於有個會中文的人來了，那我也就能把意思表達更清楚了吧
就像音效，你認為設定成這樣子，聽起來很舒適，但其他人不這麼認為
舉個例子吧，預設的Normal - hitwhistle，我很喜歡聽別人用這個做出不同花樣的音效變化，但是有些人不管怎麼樣都不喜歡(覺得很吵)
就像音樂，每個人都有自己喜歡的類型，流行樂、爵士樂、抒情歌...等等
就像flow、還有mapset，自己喜歡的，也不等於其他人都喜愛

這種主觀的東西，根本就沒有所謂「對與錯」
你想要獲得一個令你滿意的「理由」？
「因為我喜歡這樣」。除了這個，我想不到別的

他的MOD，幾乎都存在著這些性質
他就依照自己的想法，口無遮攔地把他所希望的通通列出來
卻沒考慮到整體map走向
只認為他的建議"很好"

就連NC也是，他看不出來我到底是怎麼下，怎麼統一NC pattern的
就一味的列出他看不順眼的地方

這就是為什麼我說：「他不了解一個mapper怎麼做『他自己』的圖」

有些不是這樣性質的東西，我已好好地列出我的理由
其他的建議，難道我要用 "不，我不想改，因為我喜歡這樣" 從頭反駁到尾嗎 ?
那其實就跟單純地說"不想改"一樣了
就因為這樣
我僅僅回答了"No"
除此之外，我好好地回復了
我認為，我已經盡到了責任



話說回來，對於我這樣子的回覆方法議論紛紛的你們
是抱持著怎麼樣的態度對"一個給個kd就完事了的人們" ?

是不是我不回任何東西，就不會有爭論了呢 ?

其實並沒有明文規定，"製圖者須回復modder"的事項
常看到有人在mod的post上寫道：「如果你拒絕了什麼建議，麻煩寫下理由」
而都沒做出回覆的人，也大有人在
我真的覺得很委屈，好好的回應了，卻來了那麼多負面評論



最後補上一些話，不知道情況的旁觀者不要隨意的做評論
老實說，我看到你的留言，頓時感到百無聊賴、以及無奈
我在我前一個帖子上說明：「不想再多說些什麼」
可你無知的多說了這些，我不得不回應些什麼
我的回應，不僅是對你的尊重，也是我心裡必須做出的回應
然而這種事
讓我感到極其厭煩
幾乎到了厭惡的程度


希望有人能翻譯這些(前一段是給你的回應，就不用了)
我英文不行，表達能力不足
所以才惹來非議吧
但我也很無力，英文能力，又不是馬上能強求到的東西 ...

Star Stream wrote: 2c4j26

Stop being silly guys
If mapper said no, then no
said yes, then yes
need more explain? Send a PM
don't explode this holy beatmap thread
no more discontent/discussion, respect mappers plz
thanks

and good luck Miya :3

Thanks Star for your :3
Just end this matter, okay?
If you have any problem with this map, just pm me or DarknessAngel. Don't post on this map again.

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

Star Stream wrote: 2c4j26

Stop being silly guys
If mapper said no, then no
said yes, then yes
need more explain? Send a PM
don't explode this holy beatmap thread
no more discontent/discussion, respect mappers plz
thanks

Thank for this,star stream

sorry but I must reply one more

it is the respect for him

↓ need someone translate these ...

Mashiro Mito wrote: 672x13

如果你說他們不了解你做的圖,那麼你應該讓他們了解你的圖,說出你沒有改的原因."我覺得我的更好"是個很無力的理由, 你應該用語言說出為什麼你的更好,或者為什麼垃圾.也許以后可以幫助他們更好的mod圖.這當然也是做圖的對自己做的圖負責任的一個表現.如果你什麼都說不出來你自己圖好處, 那麼又憑什麼說你了解你自己的圖?

Just my 2 cents.

[spoiler]
終於有個會中文的人來了，那我也就能把意思表達更清楚了吧 finally some one knows Chinese, so I will express myself clearly this time.
就像音效，你認為設定成這樣子，聽起來很舒適，但其他人不這麼認為 just like the hitsound, I feel that it flows really nicely with the map, but others does not.
舉個例子吧，預設的Normal - hitwhistle，我很喜歡聽別人用這個做出不同花樣的音效變化，但是有些人不管怎麼樣都不喜歡(覺得很吵) let me elaborate more on this, the pre-seted Normal - hitwhistle, I really like how some people uses this to do some sifferent style of sound changes, but some people find it really annoying.
就像音樂，每個人都有自己喜歡的類型，流行樂、爵士樂、抒情歌...等等, Music, everyone have their fev genre, pop, jazz, etc...
就像flow、還有mapset，自己喜歡的，也不等於其他人都喜愛, of couse, the flow, the mapset. it doesn't mean others will like it.

這種主觀的東西，根本就沒有所謂「對與錯」subjective things like this, there is absolutely no right or wrong.
你想要獲得一個令你滿意的「理由」？ you want a satisfied "reason"?
「因為我喜歡這樣」。除了這個，我想不到別的 "because I like what I did". other than that, I cannot think of anything else.

他的MOD，幾乎都存在著這些性質 their mod, all of them have these kind of characteristics.
他就依照自己的想法，口無遮攔地把他所希望的通通列出來, they do what the thinks, and expresses what they desire without any hesitation,
卻沒考慮到整體map走向 but did not consider the map as a whole, where it is heading
只認為他的建議"很好" only thinks their advices are "better".

就連NC也是，他看不出來我到底是怎麼下，怎麼統一NC pattern的 same goes for NC, they do not see how I unify the pattern.
就一味的列出他看不順眼的地方 all they see is distortion everywhere

這就是為什麼我說：「他不了解一個mapper怎麼做『他自己』的圖」 this is why I said " they do not unerstand a mapper's own map.

有些不是這樣性質的東西，我已好好地列出我的理由 the ones that are not like this, I have listed my reason fairly well.
其他的建議，難道我要用 "不，我不想改，因為我喜歡這樣" 從頭反駁到尾嗎 ? but other suggestions, do I really have to wrote "i dont want to change, I like this" from beginning to end?

那其實就跟單純地說"不想改"一樣了 that is the same as " I dont want to change"
就因為這樣 because of this
我僅僅回答了"No" I just said no.
除此之外，我好好地回復了 other than that, I have relied.
我認為，我已經盡到了責任 I think I have fulfilled all responsibility.



話說回來，對於我這樣子的回覆方法議論紛紛的你們 just curious, for people who have criticized the way I reply,
是抱持著怎麼樣的態度對"一個給個kd就完事了的人們" ? how about "just give you a kudos and leave me alone" sounds to you? <- (I do not know how to translate this accurately).

是不是我不回任何東西，就不會有爭論了呢 ? if I dont reply anything, there will be no more argument?

其實並沒有明文規定，"製圖者須回復modder"的事項 actually, there is no rule says, mapper must reply mods.
常看到有人在mod的post上寫道：「如果你拒絕了什麼建議，麻煩寫下理由」 I always see mod says, "if you rejected some advice, please write down your reason".
而都沒做出回覆的人，也大有人在 but their are tons of people who doesn't do this.
我真的覺得很委屈，好好的回應了，卻來了那麼多負面評論 I felt wronged, and I replied accordingly, but in the end all I get are all the negative comments.

the line below are for me.

最後補上一些話，不知道情況的旁觀者不要隨意的做評論
老實說，我看到你的留言，頓時感到百無聊賴、以及無奈
我在我前一個帖子上說明：「不想再多說些什麼」
可你無知的多說了這些，我不得不回應些什麼
我的回應，不僅是對你的尊重，也是我心裡必須做出的回應
然而這種事
讓我感到極其厭煩
幾乎到了厭惡的程度


希望有人能翻譯這些(前一段是給你的回應，就不用了)
我英文不行，表達能力不足
所以才惹來非議吧
但我也很無力，英文能力，又不是馬上能強求到的東西 ...
[spoiler]

最後補上一些話，不知道情況的旁觀者不要隨意的做評論
老實說，我看到你的留言，頓時感到百無聊賴、以及無奈
我在我前一個帖子上說明：「不想再多說些什麼」
可你無知的多說了這些，我不得不回應些什麼
我的回應，不僅是對你的尊重，也是我心裡必須做出的回應
然而這種事
讓我感到極其厭煩
幾乎到了厭惡的程度

感谢你的回复, 我也尽力的翻译了一下你的对话. 至于你说的这句话, 你说的没错, 我的确没有资格在这里评论. 我只是因为我自己也想开始做一个图, 而且想这个区随便逛一逛来学习一下. 这个帖子对我以前发的帖子有点共鸣, 所以就加了一脚. 如果这个帖子造成你的反感, 对不起.

Thanks Star for your :3
Just end this matter, okay?
If you have any problem with this map, just pm me or DarknessAngel. Don't post on this map again.

just translating and final thoughts.

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

Mashiro Mito wrote: 672x13

如果你說他們不了解你做的圖,那麼你應該讓他們了解你的圖,說出你沒有改的原因."我覺得我的更好"是個很無力的理由, 你應該用語言說出為什麼你的更好,或者為什麼垃圾.也許以后可以幫助他們更好的mod圖.這當然也是做圖的對自己做的圖負責任的一個表現.如果你什麼都說不出來你自己圖好處, 那麼又憑什麼說你了解你自己的圖?

Just my 2 cents.

終於有個會中文的人來了，那我也就能把意思表達更清楚了吧
就像音效，你認為設定成這樣子，聽起來很舒適，但其他人不這麼認為
舉個例子吧，預設的Normal - hitwhistle，我很喜歡聽別人用這個做出不同花樣的音效變化，但是有些人不管怎麼樣都不喜歡(覺得很吵)
就像音樂，每個人都有自己喜歡的類型，流行樂、爵士樂、抒情歌...等等
就像flow、還有mapset，自己喜歡的，也不等於其他人都喜愛

這種主觀的東西，根本就沒有所謂「對與錯」
你想要獲得一個令你滿意的「理由」？
「因為我喜歡這樣」。除了這個，我想不到別的

他的MOD，幾乎都存在著這些性質
他就依照自己的想法，口無遮攔地把他所希望的通通列出來
卻沒考慮到整體map走向
只認為他的建議"很好"

就連NC也是，他看不出來我到底是怎麼下，怎麼統一NC pattern的
就一味的列出他看不順眼的地方

這就是為什麼我說：「他不了解一個mapper怎麼做『他自己』的圖」

有些不是這樣性質的東西，我已好好地列出我的理由
其他的建議，難道我要用 "不，我不想改，因為我喜歡這樣" 從頭反駁到尾嗎 ?
那其實就跟單純地說"不想改"一樣了
就因為這樣
我僅僅回答了"No"
除此之外，我好好地回復了
我認為，我已經盡到了責任



話說回來，對於我這樣子的回覆方法議論紛紛的你們
是抱持著怎麼樣的態度對"一個給個kd就完事了的人們" ?

是不是我不回任何東西，就不會有爭論了呢 ?

其實並沒有明文規定，"製圖者須回復modder"的事項
常看到有人在mod的post上寫道：「如果你拒絕了什麼建議，麻煩寫下理由」
而都沒做出回覆的人，也大有人在
我真的覺得很委屈，好好的回應了，卻來了那麼多負面評論



最後補上一些話，不知道情況的旁觀者不要隨意的做評論
老實說，我看到你的留言，頓時感到百無聊賴、以及無奈
我在我前一個帖子上說明：「不想再多說些什麼」
可你無知的多說了這些，我不得不回應些什麼
我的回應，不僅是對你的尊重，也是我心裡必須做出的回應
然而這種事
讓我感到極其厭煩
幾乎到了厭惡的程度


希望有人能翻譯這些(前一段是給你的回應，就不用了)
我英文不行，表達能力不足
所以才惹來非議吧
但我也很無力，英文能力，又不是馬上能強求到的東西 ...

Translation:
Mashiro Mito:
If you say that they don't understand [your mapping], then you should provide your reasoning to help them understand. "I feel my way is fine" is a pity of a reason; you should use test to explain why something is good or something is garbage. This will help their ability to mod maps, and is also the responsibility of the mapper. If you're unable (or unwilling) to explain why your map is better than the suggestions given, can you even say that you understand your own map?

DarknessAngel:
Finally a person used Chinese; now I can express myself more clearly.
In regards to hitsounds, what sounds comfortable to you may not sound the same to others. Take the default normal-hitwhistle, for example. I like the way some people use this hitsound to improvise their own hitsound pattern, but others regard it as noisy.
Everyone has their own preferences in genre of music, and this relates to flow (and the mapset as well); what you like may not be liked by others.
Since this is subjective, there is no definite "right or wrong". I cannot give another reason to satisfy the question "Why is it better?" except "Because I like it."
His (referring to those, me) mod contains everything. He proceeded to endlessly rant about his own thoughts, suggestions, listing them one after another without taking into the general direction of the map. He thinks his suggestions are "very good". Even new combos, he can't even see what I'm trying to do, but he goes on to talk about what is awkward and what does feel nice. This is why I said, "you don't understand how a mappers made their map".
For some things that weren't so fitting, I already tried to give a reason. For other suggestions, I feel I'm forced to use "No, I don't want to change, because I like it that way." There's no difference between using "I won't change" and "No", so I choose to make things simpler by just using the latter. I've already replied nicely, and I feel this is all I can do to be responsible.

--and oh Mashiro Mito translated it all.

--

My final words:
If you choose to be so stubborn and ignorant about mapping and modding, stop making maps. Modding is the process in which the and mapper put ideas together in order to make a map better. Unlike you, who can only think about yourself, I think about the community. I think about what's good to play, what's bad to play, what constitutes better, what constitutes worse (note I didn't use the words right or wrong, nor have I ever). You saying nothing but "No, I won't change it" shows how much of an ignorant fool you are. In addition, it's truly disrespectful to think you can get away with a great suggestion with a few simple words, just because you can't get yourself to think outside of "how great your own mapping really is." You aren't doing anything but restricting people from trying to understand how your map works. In addition, "your style" (the one where you have a 1/1 delay and you stack on the same spot) can be your "style", but the truth is that the flow is horrible, and this will have been mentioned in your maps. It's similar to another mapping using ninja spinners and backing it up with "I LIEK IT CUZ ITS MA STYLE AND I WONT CHANGEE IT".

Seriously, get over yourself, and learn to accept suggestions, and give reasons otherwise.

stop this guys '~'
now, this thread like an novel orz
give freedom to others, let other do whatever they want.. (but not out from the rules)

sorry, miya ;_; jadi nambahin pos deh...

@those : before suggesting something, try to understand mapper style. It's not good if we suggest things that different from mapper style. Especially to the mapper that has own his/her original maping style. If you suggest something that really against his/her style, the chance being denied is very high. That's all.

Don't post about this matter again. You guys never read this

Miya wrote: 4g494n

@those : before suggesting something, try to understand mapper style. It's not good if we suggest things that different from mapper style. Especially to the mapper that has own his/her original maping style. If you suggest something that really against his/her style, the chance being denied is very high. That's all.

Don't post about this matter again. You guys never read this

This is why you should give reasons not to changing anything, to defend your own mapping style, or help others understand/learn your map style.

Aright. no more.

Miya wrote: 4g494n

@those : before suggesting something, try to understand mapper style. It's not good if we suggest things that different from mapper style. Especially to the mapper that has own his/her original maping style. If you suggest something that really against his/her style, the chance being denied is very high. That's all.

Don't post about this matter again. You guys never read this

I would advise against pinning everything to your 'style'. IT is not the 's responsibility to try to understand style, nor can you ever think of getting bad mapping ranked, even if bad mapping is your style.

Post has been cleared by request of the poster.

Mashiro Mito wrote: 672x13

This is why you should give reasons not to changing anything, to defend your own mapping style, or help others understand/learn your map style.

I don't really know you but... not only are you perfectly correct, but you are also CANADIAN \:D/

Sorry I havent modded this yet, I've been busy with work and other things = = will get to it soon

Miya wrote: 4g494n

Don't post about this matter again. You guys never read this

Serriously, you guys never read that.

I have talk about this many times. /me sighs.

lol Drama.

[General]

1. Ohgod, the offset sounds completely off, use 497ms (-10) (confirmed with Roddie).

[Yasora's Easy]

1. 01:15:507 (1) - The end of this slider doesn't follow the music correctly. I don't understand why it ends at 01:16:632, there is a beat yes, but a weird one. This makes the pattern sound awkward. As this is the easiest difficulty, you should follow the most logical rhythm, that is remove the slider's reverse and put notes at 01:16:444 and 01:16:819. In my opinion the best thing you could do is that :
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 01:21:507 (3) - Same issue with this slider, the spot where this slider ends doesn't really make sense, as you have used 1/2 throughout the map, you should use them here too to fix the issue. Do something like this then :
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 01:25:257 (3) - I would change this circle into a 1/1 slider to follow the drumroll in the music, and put (4) at 01:26:007 and start the spinner 1/2 later. Like this :
   
   SPOILER

   

[Normal]

1. 00:14:194 (4) - Usually, 1/2 pattern with 2 reverses are confusing because the player can hardly expect to have a 2nd reverse (it's really surprising, especially for beginners). So remove 1 reverse and add a circle instead ?
2. 01:03:507 (1) - ^
3. 01:17:194 (6) - ^

[H4b's Taiko]

1. Rename it "H4b's Taiko Oni" because "Taiko" without nothing doesn't show what kind of difficulty it is (even if it is obvious).
2. 00:05:757 (7,8,9,10) - This should be a kkd k according to the drums in the music.
3. 00:11:757 (31,32,33,34,35) - In my opinion dkddk fits better.
4. 00:12:507 (36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51) - I don't like this pattern, it sounds too random to me. Consider doing that instead ? :
   k ddk d k ddk d k dkk d d
5. 00:42:225 (170) - Why is this slider on a blue tick ? No please don't, that's innapropriate :/
   Please move it 1/4 later.
6. 00:44:944 (179) - Actually, it sounds better with a don here (and it is more intuitive to play).

[Hard]

1. 00:23:372 (5,6,7) - I don't like how this pattern sound, It'd be better to follow the vocal here, like this :
   
   SPOILER

   

[D.N.Angel]

1. I see what you wanted to do (wanted to follow the vocals to emphasize them right ?). However it kinda breaks the flow of the map. It'd be more intuitive if you changed this slider into three 1/2 circles like this :
   
   SPOILER

   

Fixed all thing except Normal. I have said my reason in irc
Nevertheless, Thank you for modding Kurai >.<

Kurai owo/ thanks for mod

Kurai beat me so here is the unfinished mod

Makar wrote: 441t17

[Normal] 2mh6e

1. I'm sure you would rather not bother with it, but just sayin' the SV and the spacing are really high for a normal. It would be really nice if you could -at least- change your spacing to 1.0 or something because that spacing really isn't normal level at all. It's fine, no other MAT and BAT said this is not acceptable for normal level.
2. 00:14:184 (4) - There is not enough time for the player to see the second repeat, and somebody of this playing level will not expect multiple repeats like this considering you use single repeat 1/4 sliders before.
3. 00:38:934 (4) - ^
4. 00:43:622 (2,3,4) - Because of the huge spacing, this seems pretty hard to hit. Can you stack these or use a repeat slider? No, i don't think it's hard, and most of people didn't said this is hard too.
5. 01:03:497 (1) - Same here as mentioned before about the multiple repeats. I mean, you use a lot of 1/2 single-repeat sliders in the diff. How is the player supposed to predict which ones have an extra repeat as a normal-level player?
6. 01:09:872 (1,2,3) - Same here as mentioned about the spacing. Stack or change (1,2) into a slider? no
7. 01:13:247 (2,3,4,5) - ^ (You know, these would all be okay if it wasn't for the huge spacing for a normal) no
8. 01:17:184 (6) - Same thing with the repeats again...
9. 01:18:497 (1,2,3) - These just don't seem to fit the music very well. How ing a 1/1 repeat slider so it's easier to play? Nah, it fit's the music well and easy to play. 1/1 repeat slider is not interesting imo.
10. 01:22:059 (3,4) - Change to a slider so the player is introduced to the upbeat playing? nope, same as above

[Hard] k6p2p

1. 00:00:497 (1,1) - Happy to see that you decided to fix this.
2. 00:43:069 - 00:48:497 - It just seems weird to me that you would start using triples in a section that slows down. I would suggest sticking to 1/2 until this section ends. No, triplet is very fit there since there 1/4 rythim there.
3. Wow that SV in Kiai is insane level... so? this is interesting. A plain sv in kiai time is a bit boring for hard diff imo.
4. 00:53:944 (4,5,6) - This Kind of pattern would follow the drums much more nicely.
5. 01:23:382 (2,3,4) - These triples are misplaced... If you want to follow the drums then do a triple at 01:23:184 instead
6. 01:26:184 - Sounds like a triplet should be here instead of a 1/1 slider covering it up.
7. 01:26:944 (4,5,6) - Again, if you want to follow the drums better and make this section less awkward to play, do the triple at 01:26:747. No, i can hear a triple rythim here at this time if you listen carefully at the song.
8. 01:27:507 (1,2,3) - ^ at 01:27:309
9. Overall the outro sounds and plays very awkwardly, I suggest trying to follow the drums and accents more closely instead of your own pattern. I think it's fine.

Others are fixed.
Thank you for the mod~

http://puu.sh/CceA

Makar wrote: 441t17

[H4b's Taiko] 2w51r

1. 01:22:997- 01:28:247 - I can see you are trying to follow the accents but its very very hard to read (some of the stuff doesn't even follow the accents properly) so I suggest just sticking to the drums here. This part is very confusing to play so I really hope you don't take this lightly. It's at the end of the song so you can imagine how much hate there would be, lol (@Miya/Kurai: I really think this is a strong issue so please allow the mapper(s) to look over this part before ranking).

Sorry really sorry but I love this one and yeah its quite hard but I thought I follow the drum from the song

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

1. 00:42:225 (170) - Why is this slider on a blue tick ? No please don't, that's innapropriate :/
   Please move it 1/4 later.

slider?well yeah you mean circle,its fine many taiko use like that but I follow the song.
Other fix thank you very much Kurai :p

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

[D.N.Angel]

1. I see what you wanted to do (wanted to follow the vocals to emphasize them right ?). However it kinda breaks the flow of the map. It'd be more intuitive if you changed this slider into three 1/2 circles like this :
   
   SPOILER

   

Is it 00:27:309 (4) ?
fixed
Thank for modding ~

http://puu.sh/Cd6S

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

I see what you wanted to do

I'm glad to see this

RIP

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

SPOILER

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

[D.N.Angel]

1. I see what you wanted to do (wanted to follow the vocals to emphasize them right ?). However it kinda breaks the flow of the map. It'd be more intuitive if you changed this slider into three 1/2 circles like this :
   
   dsth

   

Is it 00:27:309 (4) ?
fixed
Thank for modding ~

http://puu.sh/Cd6S

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

I see what you wanted to do

I'm glad to see this

Yes it was 00:27:309 (4), I don't know why but I often forget to mention the note =w= Silly me..

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HeatKai wrote: 5b401y

SPOILER

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

1. 00:42:225 (170) - Why is this slider on a blue tick ? No please don't, that's innapropriate :/
   Please move it 1/4 later.

slider?well yeah you mean circle,its fine many taiko use like that but I follow the song.
Other fix thank you very much Kurai :p

Yes circle :U But actually it does not follow anything in the music, thus it isn't intuitive, everytime I play it it surprises me D:

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Miya wrote: 4g494n

Makar wrote: 441t17

SPOILER

[notice]

[Normal] 2mh6e

1. I'm sure you would rather not bother with it, but just sayin' the SV and the spacing are really high for a normal. It would be really nice if you could -at least- change your spacing to 1.0 or something because that spacing really isn't normal level at all. It's fine, no other MAT and BAT said this is not acceptable for normal level.

Please don't use that as an excuse, it's not because no other MATs/BATs mentioned that that you shouldn't take that into consideration
We can miss stuff too.

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

Please don't use that as an excuse, it's not because no other MATs/BATs mentioned that that you shouldn't take that into consideration
We can miss stuff too.

So? What should i use? I don't like low spacing that will make note stacked partially. I really don't like that. Don't push me to change this, since it's my mapping style. Besides, the spacing really fit with the sv. So there's no problem with it.

Miya wrote: 4g494n

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

Please don't use that as an excuse, it's not because no other MATs/BATs mentioned that that you shouldn't take that into consideration
We can miss stuff too.

So? What should i use? I don't like low spacing that will make note stacked partially. I really don't like that. Don't push me to change this, since it's my mapping style. Besides, the spacing really fit with the sv. So there's no problem with it.

Miya just leave it in your mind that,that's not an excuse.

497 offset !
mine was so close! ww

Miya wrote: 4g494n

I don't like low spacing that will make note stacked partially. I really don't like that.

Then stack 1/2 (but in my opinion 1/2 that stacks partially looks fine as long as its only done once and not something like a triple)

Miya wrote: 4g494n

Don't push me to change this, since it's my mapping style.

Mapping style is not an excuse to use outrageously high Spacing/SV (for Normal at least). "Ohey lets use AR8 on a Normal, because thats my mapping style." My point is that there is a limit to how much you are able to adjust something like this to your "style" especially on easy/normal difficulties since they are meant for the newer players.

Miya wrote: 4g494n

Besides, the spacing really fit with the sv. So there's no problem with it.

If you want a spacing that fits with the SV, then use 1.0. At 1.0 spacing, the mouse moves the same speed on sliders and in between circles because the distance between the start of the slider and the end of the slider is the same as the distance between two circles of the same timing. 1.2 spacing makes you have to move 20% faster on circles than on sliders (and considering this SV - definitely not a good idea).

Side note: HeatKai said changes will be made to the end of the taiko so please allow those changes to be made before rank.

So you want me to change whole spacing at the normal diff? I don't want to do that because it's same with remap. Besides it's just suggestion. If i said no, don't force me to do that. In my opinion Normal is not for newbie player, this diff is for player that has quite knowledge at playing this game. There are a lot of normal diff that have 4.5 star and high spacing too. I have my own style at mapping normal. Please understand mapper mapping style, because your word is just like forcing your ideal to me.

Miya wrote: 4g494n

So you want me to change whole spacing at the normal diff? I don't want to do that because it's same with remap. Besides it's just suggestion. If i said no, don't force me to do that. In my opinion Normal is not for newbie player, this diff is for player that has quite knowledge at playing this game. There are a lot of normal diff that have 4.5 star and high spacing too. I have my own style at mapping normal. Please understand mapper mapping style, because your word is just like forcing your ideal to me.

No one's asking you to remap, remapping an entire difficulty is wiping out everything that ever existed regarding note and slider placement. Fixing spacing doesn't take too much work in general, the only challenge is keeping patterns looking neat and as they were. Just because it's a suggestion doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it and try it out, the least you could do is open your mind to the possibility that this may very well make this map one hundred percent better than it is now. Normal difficulties are definitely for new players. Do you not yourself as a beginner player thinking you had become so good within only a fragment of time to eventually move up to normal style diffs? If a player came around and played this, would they not be shocked at the difficulty curve here? You should aim for a smooth transition, not a choppy one. The difference between side-by-side difficulties should not at all be shocking. Just because there are a lot of normal difficulties out there above 4 stars does not give you the excuse to produce maps that are ridiculously hard to play when they should be easy. You should be setting a good example by making maps that are actually enjoyable, not rage worthy.

And that's normal definition for you. Me and you are different. Understand?

It's best to drop it now, Xakyrie. Our thoughts have been stressed enough by now ._.

Normals comes in many different shapes
For my part, it's pretty fairly mapped. Also the way she mapped it, makes it not too hard either.

Easy already uses SV1,00. This also balances it quite well

No-one said it was unrankable though. Sure SV 1,40 might be a bit harsh, but still in the Normal level imo


And Miya, I think you messed up everything on Hard xD

Makar wrote: 441t17

It's best to drop it now, Xakyrie. Our thoughts have been stressed enough by now ._.

/me pats Makar
oh I will fix the taiko later.

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

1. 00:42:225 (170) - Why is this slider on a blue tick ? No please don't, that's innapropriate :/
   Please move it 1/4 later.

fixed.

Makar wrote: 441t17

SPOILER

20:06 <HeatKai> : hi
22:36 <Makar> : hi
22:36 <Makar> : sorry I was at work
22:36 <Makar> : o.o
22:37 <HeatKai> : well no prob ;p
22:37 <HeatKai> : about your mod for my taiko
22:37 <HeatKai> : I didn't follow it sorry
22:37 <Makar> : o.o srs
22:37 <Makar> : why D:
22:38 <HeatKai> : I thought I follow the drums :p
22:39 <Makar> : but the timing is off
22:39 <Makar> : listen on 25% near the end
22:39 <HeatKai> : yeah that's how I hear D;
22:39 <HeatKai> : then I can't map 100% correct
22:40 <HeatKai> : that's the best for me ;w;
22:40 <Makar> : :< you should use triplets to make it easier though
22:40 <HeatKai> : ohh
22:40 <Makar> : its too complicated since the timing is awkward
22:40 <HeatKai> : ;__________;
22:41 <Makar> : 01:21:684 - a triplet here would fit the drums
22:41 <Makar> : 01:23:184 - and here
22:41 <Makar> : 01:23:747 - and here
22:41 <Makar> : 01:24:309 - and here
22:42 <Makar> : do you hear?
22:42 <Makar> : the bass drum
22:42 <HeatKai> : yep
22:42 <HeatKai> : I'll do it later ;p
22:42 <HeatKai> : Later I give to you first
22:42 <Makar> : if you follow it, it would make this seciton soooo much better and less complicated
22:42 <HeatKai> : then you check if how I map that you want;p
22:42 <Makar> : lol okay
22:43 <Makar> : I just dont want a super weird pattern at the end, I hope you understand
22:43 <Makar> : I can hear what you are trying to follow but its just too complicated and you dont follow all of it so
22:43 <Makar> : I dont want peopple to rage at the end just because of this section xd

fixed :>


THANK YOU --------> http://puu.sh/CqQK <----------

OOPS DOUBLE POST MY BAD

Xakyrie wrote: 3ja2b

fixing spacing doesn't take too much work in general

I'm surprised at this.
To me,I should remap the diff to fix the problem.
Why didn't you try other ways to make the suggestion more acceptable ?

Miya,I think Normal diff is too hard,too. (high spacing and high SV)
try this ?

rename it as "Hard"
HP 5
AR 6
OD 5

rename "Easy" as "Normal"
HP 3
AR 4
OD 3 or 4

then the problem should be simply fixed.

No. The most important part here is the gap. Whatever, you can call this map 'hard map' but the gap between them is basically nice imo. So this should be acceptable.

Miya wrote: 4g494n

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

Please don't use that as an excuse, it's not because no other MATs/BATs mentioned that that you shouldn't take that into consideration
We can miss stuff too.

So? What should i use? I don't like low spacing that will make note stacked partially. I really don't like that. Don't push me to change this, since it's my mapping style. Besides, the spacing really fit with the sv. So there's no problem with it.

I wasn't forcing you to fix, just keep in mind that this isn't a valable excuse at all.

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@Makar and Xakyrie: Normal is pretty good and have good spread too. Keep in mind that the difficulty names are subjective.For example some Insanes are easier than some Hards, the same goes for Normal. A mapset is fine as long as :

1. The difficulty spread throughout the mapset is acceptable
2. It contains at least a difficulty that is playable by any beginner, in this case, this is the role of Easy. If someone can't play the normal diff because it is too hard, he should play the easy difficulty instead. (And furthermore I don't find this Normal very difficult, it's a good Normal difficulty imo :O).

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Anyways, rebubbled ~ !

印象中似乎看过不少这同人

L_P wrote: i2x64

印象中似乎看过不少这同人

Yeah, that's because it's the right attitude to have

L_P wrote: i2x64

印象中似乎看过不少这同人

你貌似在跟我講話=3=(只有我個華人mapper)
恩呢，我好像也無意間看過不少

話說，你下面那位好像誤會了些什麼
有點傻眼 ...

DarknessAngel wrote: 635qj

有點傻眼 ...

Nope, that's only yourself.

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00:03:872 (1) - Please make this note start on the center.

[D.N.Angel]

Reduce the Approach Rate by 1 tick at least, it's too high right now.

00:58:247 (2) - This note is hard to see, because it blends with the background.

Let me know when you've fixed everything ^^

And here's my M4M. Hahahah



p/1649926

Andrea wrote: ev47

[D.N.Angel]

Reduce the Approach Rate by 1 tick at least, it's too high right now. //I played better when I was testing with AR9 ... but to general AR,fixed

00:58:247 (2) - This note is hard to see, because it blends with the background. //ok,fixed

Let me know when you've fixed everything ^^

thank for modding ~

http://puu.sh/GanG

Andrea wrote: ev47

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00:03:872 (1) - Please make this note start on the center. Okay, for easier gameplay. But i though the current position is fine.

And i didn't understand what iMercurial mean.
Is mod from Andrea comes from his m4m queue?

Ah, btw thank you so much.

Looks good :3

Ranked~

gratz Miya :3

Congratz Miya > <

YES Miya-chan keep that amagami Streak going

=w=~

Thank you everyone

\:D/

呵呵

gratz miya-chan!

Congrats ~

Miya wrote: 4g494n

And i didn't understand what iMercurial mean.
Is mod from Andrea comes from his m4m queue?

Ah, btw thank you so much.

Yep, I just modded the Andrea's map and gave you my M4M ticket.

Also, congratz.

gratz~

笑死我了 loooooooool

=w= it‘s happy

Congrts Miya.

And as a native chinese speaker I lol's @ these posts

gratz

thank you again everyone :3

DarknessAngel's diff is shitty as always. Congratulations.

This rating ouo

Alduric wrote: 2e1b1c

DarknessAngel's diff is shitty as always. Congratulations.

shitty as always?

Go to see what rating he gets in his own maps.

I am not surprised.

S h i o n wrote: 5u6r3l

Alduric wrote: 2e1b1c

DarknessAngel's diff is shitty as always. Congratulations.

shitty as always?

Go to see what rating he gets in his own maps.

>implying rating = map quality

those wrote: 2f131h

S h i o n wrote: 5u6r3l

shitty as always?

Go to see what rating he gets in his own maps.

>implying rating = map quality

So what are you implying?

By the way, whether a map's good or not is obvious to see if you have sense.

map rating =/= map quality

If he mapped non-asian song I am sure that ratings would be less than 9

Bass wrote: 5o4i6e

If he mapped non-asian song I am sure that ratings would be less than 9

*nods*

late congratz

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