Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt.
   I know and I also have considered this kind of plan as you say. insane and ultra have done this, I do not have to repeat it, it looks boring if 3 difficult diffs are same at the beginning;
   like 00:02:174, yes here is a piano sound, I think that isn't loud enough to add a circle; then about 00:04:948, what? here has sound ?
2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency.
   the same with 00:02:174
3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid
   this you have only half of the truth. if I stop here, how to show the second voice ? blank seems not good. An other spinner? crazy. let auto can OK ? So I choose to cover all.
4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent?
   meaningless question. At the end of this kickslider, I set the same distance with the next stream to let players read and catch easily.
5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening?
   you are right, I'll let this part in the same spacing
   The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm.
6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand.
   The 1/4th slider just used to let players catch where disconnected, and underline the piano, as Sergio's advice.
   You say you are agree with Sergio, at last you don't understand what you agree with him. hmmm...
7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved.
   yes, thx for this pick
8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider?
   I have a new idea at 00:33:387 (1,2,3,4), thx for this pick. I would use short sliders to reflect the drum at 00:33:041, 00:33:214, 00:33:387, 00:33:561
9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least.
   please make clear that we are talking about extra, not hard. 00:34:255 (2) here has a loud piano but 00:34:428 (3,4) are drum, they are different, I need different spacing to let players know.
10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped
    guitar chord always have 4 consecutive tones. listen carefully please
11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place.
    listen carefully please I start this slider at 00:48:994 piano and end at 00:49:515, it has a low volume sound and suitable for the end.
12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?)
    intentionally inconsistent can give me more free composition space. when I need consistent, of cose I will.
    I need 01:00:786 (1,2,3,4) completely overlapping to 00:58:705 (1,2,3,4) , then this song goes in a new part, so I let this slider flow reverse.
13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle
    I know your mean, thx for this pick
14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix.
    you are right. fixed
15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that design
    full of 1/2 too boring, and contrast 01:19:861, the drum here too low to snap. I want to take the vocal here
16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following.
    cluttered? so you need what? everything looks neatly arranged in regular polygons?
    listen carefully on the CADENCE of the rhythms and drums, and how singer singing. maybe you can't understand even if i explained.
17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up.
    Monstrata have point out my opinions
18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily.
    yes, here is my bad. fixed
19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap
    I don't know what your mean of "dis". and I it that this stream has a little over. but I think here is a good place to add a stream nearly the end of this song.

There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.

Thank you for your mod, some of your opinion really good for me but some are not. I have explained my point where and why I disagree with you.
I must point out you behavior makes many mappers hate you. You have a lot of ways to express your point of view but unfortunately, you choose the worst way to makes you look like a messy tiny. Many times you are asking someone else to follow your thoughts. However, no one can be the truth. You can't.
I also can post you some tirades into your maps with my subjective opinion just like what you have done before, say your maps are very ugly. but it never can be helpful. Subjective opinion too subjective would lose its meaning.
Please use reasonable means and respect others' opinions and feelings. This is the bottom line of life.
Unfortunately. Reflect on what you did before. You need to be a qualified person before you be a modder, mapper and BN. Not like a mapping police

Edit:
Thank you Monstrata and 384. I did not see your reply because I was just writing my own reply.

Do note that these people who are trying to improve your map and make you better at what you do are not trying to force you to follow their opinions; they're trying to bring you back to reality. A disagreeing opinion is not an attack, no matter how indignant and offended you get.

The issues with this map are conceptual, not based on each individual note. The map is treading the line of sanity as to what constitutes "the music", for the sake of having long streams and high spacing. I can tell you're trying to be special and make the map emotionally powerful for both the player and any modders. But you can do special without being stupid. This map isn't special, it's stupid. There's a difference.

For example, for 00:22:636 - to 00:33:734 - , both the top diff and kaedaka's use an overmapped stream to help with the buildup, but they both do it in completely irrational ways - imoutosan just has streams with 1/8 sliders put for small breaks with no rhythmic purpose, while kaedaka's stream has 1/8 sliders that seem to be following the chimes but don't always follow them and the stream patterns are completely off?


for kaedaka:

In the stream there, the chime sounds at:

00:24:544 -
00:25:064 -
00:25:411 -
00:25:931 -
00:26:104 -
00:26:624 -
00:26:798 -
00:27:318 -
00:27:492 -
00:28:185 -
and this pattern repeats

like i can tell you want to follow the chime because you do so fairly interestingly at 00:29:399 (7,1,2,1) - , but you literally don't do it every other time when it would actually make the section really cool and actually play pretty well.

This kind of mistake in emphasis and power is scattered all over the map in nearly every difficulty.

The problem here isn't with the map being overmapped. It's that it's being done wrong. And people are trying to help you do it right. They're not telling you to give up on the map entirely. You can fix this and make it great. It just requires itting that help is probably a good idea.

Shiirn wrote: 4dp13

Do note that these people who are trying to improve your map and make you better at what you do are not trying to force you to follow their opinions; they're trying to bring you back to reality. A disagreeing opinion is not an attack, no matter how indignant and offended you get.

The issues with this map are conceptual, not based on each individual note. The map is treading the line of sanity as to what constitutes "the music", for the sake of having long streams and high spacing. I can tell you're trying to be special and make the map emotionally powerful for both the player and any modders. But you can do special without being stupid. This map isn't special, it's stupid. There's a difference.

For example, for 00:22:636 - to 00:33:734 - , both the top diff and kaedaka's use an overmapped stream to help with the buildup, but they both do it in completely irrational ways - imoutosan just has streams with 1/8 sliders put for small breaks with no rhythmic purpose, while kaedaka's stream has 1/8 sliders that seem to be following the chimes but don't always follow them and the stream patterns are completely off?


for kaedaka:

In the stream there, the chime sounds at:

00:24:544 -
00:25:064 -
00:25:411 -
00:25:931 -
00:26:104 -
00:26:624 -
00:26:798 -
00:27:318 -
00:27:492 -
00:28:185 -
and this pattern repeats

like i can tell you want to follow the chime because you do so fairly interestingly at 00:29:399 (7,1,2,1) - , but you literally don't do it every other time when it would actually make the section really cool and actually play pretty well.

This kind of mistake in emphasis and power is scattered all over the map in nearly every difficulty.

The problem here isn't with the map being overmapped. It's that it's being done wrong. And people are trying to help you do it right. They're not telling you to give up on the map entirely. You can fix this and make it great. It just requires itting that help is probably a good idea.

Thank you for your advice, Shiirn.
In my opinion, maybe here is still a subjective. I need more time to think about it.
When I have new idea or changed the mind I will post here.
Too late now at UTC+8. I need sleep.
By the way, I'm not angry with their's mod, but the despicable tricks on dirty way. I never hate anyone, nor angry with anyone. But this time I finally see what kind of person he is.

Edit: For a few days thinking I decided no change. Now this state is the best for me. Thank you everyone.

is this rly ayane?
such different voice lol...

Komore wrote: 2843d

is this rly ayane?
such different voice lol...

I guess it isn't...

its a different ayane. you can tell by the metadata (non romanized)

我越来越喜欢这图了XD
P.S.感觉还是当初开头串塞爆的爽

just few thing

[PinkHeart's Insane]
00:57:838 (4,5) - 這裡有點奇怪a

[Kaedeka's Extra]
00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 比前後的ds都小呢 有原因嗎
00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - same
01:41:798 - 這個音太突出了 要不縮短到 01:41:711 -

[Istoria]
01:22:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - imo 這樣放也挺有趣的 01:22:809 (2,3,4) - 被遮了感覺有點不太舒服

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff

Rizia wrote: 3d2f6d

just few thing

[PinkHeart's Insane]
00:57:838 (4,5) - 這裡有點奇怪a 改了个正常的节奏

[Istoria]
01:22:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - imo 這樣放也挺有趣的 01:22:809 (2,3,4) - 被遮了感覺有點不太舒服 好啊

SPOILER

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff

大爷又神游了 我来改

Rizia wrote: 3d2f6d

just few thing

[Kaedeka's Extra]
00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 比前後的ds都小呢 有原因嗎
00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - same
用了一些花式的不一样的音效音量和间距
01:41:798 - 這個音太突出了 要不縮短到 01:41:711 -
我认为01:41:798这个音足够长到01:41:798

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff

thank you~

Normal.
01:55:931 (1,4) - Stacks are notably off.

Hard.
00:38:243 (2,3) - I see several jump usages done in strong beats of the song but this part of the song felt quite weaker to have a jump concept ed. Using a regular spacing would fit better.

Istoria.
Mind elaborating how this diff name is related with the song?
Why is the hp drain 9? Well it is technically able by a well performed play enough, but I think it is way too harsh in this map especially for the first half. The rhythm density isn't really high which causes a constant drop of the hp. After the break, a continuous stream section including spaced streams appear, and then the rhythm density drops again. Making even a small mistake makes the play instantly fail, and even if the play managed to the stream section barely, the loss of rhythmic density didn't really made me alive.
Great diff.

Will be finishing the mod later on, I'm not done yet.

Sonnyc wrote: 491l5w

Istoria.
Mind elaborating how this diff name is related with the song?
The game's translated name is Istoria of Suisou Ginka. Istoria (as 'history') means the story of the game.
Why is the hp drain 9? Well it is technically able by a well performed play enough, but I think it is way too harsh in this map especially for the first half. The rhythm density isn't really high which causes a constant drop of the hp. After the break, a continuous stream section including spaced streams appear, and then the rhythm density drops again. Making even a small mistake makes the play instantly fail, and even if the play managed to the stream section barely, the loss of rhythmic density didn't really made me alive.
Asked for more tests and changed to 8 now.

fixed stuff in hard diff
thx Sonnyc

Kaedeka's Extra.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:05:989 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:14:312 (1,2,3,4) - Since the song was similar having similar pattern usage was a good thing to see but m can I ask why you've chose different spacing concepts each? Well if it was done for variety, then at least can you consider making the spacing concept of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - to something like 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - ? Having a close spacing there felt a bit less matching the song when the song was kinda getting louder after there. Optional.
2. 00:22:636 - I think the rhythms of this stream section could be improved. Right now, I'm not really sure how each parts are meant to follow the song each part. For example, piano sounds consistently appeared after a 1/4 slider as 00:25:931 (7,1) - 00:27:318 (7,1) - 00:29:399 (7,1) - 00:30:093 (7,1) - 00:30:786 (7,1) - 00:32:174 (7,1) - was done. But the same rhythm choice also appears at 00:23:156 (7,1) - 00:23:850 (7,1) - where the music is having a different feature. This made the rhythm choice for the pianos not really effective as they weren't only used for that particular part of the song. Also keeping the piano beat expressing rhythms in mind, 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - were having slightly different in rhythms while the song was pretty similar with the ones I've mentioned before. So yeah, I think this section could be rhythmically improved since it feels a bit arbitrary right now imo, but if there is something that I didn't saw your point, please let me know.
3. 01:03:561 - Missing whistle.

so let me know when stuffs are all addressed.

Sonnyc wrote: 491l5w

Kaedeka's Extra.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:05:989 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:14:312 (1,2,3,4) - Since the song was similar having similar pattern usage was a good thing to see but m can I ask why you've chose different spacing concepts each? Well if it was done for variety, then at least can you consider making the spacing concept of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - to something like 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - ? Having a close spacing there felt a bit less matching the song when the song was kinda getting louder after there. Optional. changed the spacing and volume arrange of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - .
2. 00:22:636 - I think the rhythms of this stream section could be improved. Right now, I'm not really sure how each parts are meant to follow the song each part. For example, piano sounds consistently appeared after a 1/4 slider as 00:25:931 (7,1) - 00:27:318 (7,1) - 00:29:399 (7,1) - 00:30:093 (7,1) - 00:30:786 (7,1) - 00:32:174 (7,1) - was done. But the same rhythm choice also appears at 00:23:156 (7,1) - 00:23:850 (7,1) - where the music is having a different feature. This made the rhythm choice for the pianos not really effective as they weren't only used for that particular part of the song. Also keeping the piano beat expressing rhythms in mind, 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - were having slightly different in rhythms while the song was pretty similar with the ones I've mentioned before. So yeah, I think this section could be rhythmically improved since it feels a bit arbitrary right now imo, but if there is something that I didn't saw your point, please let me know.
   changed some rhythms like 00:28:705 (7) - or 00:31:480 (7) - to follow the piano better. However kept the short slider in 00:23:850 (15,1) - to control the overall difficulty. As for difference of 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - , these streams are placed with slightly increasing spacing to show the tone. Rhythm differences are shown by NCs and hitsound so I think this is addressed.
3. 01:03:561 - Missing whistle. added

so let me know when stuffs are all addressed.

Kaedaka got busy with his work irl so he let me to fix his diff. Guess it looks fine now.

Nominated.

ty sonnyc
(also ty koiyuki and smallboat for earlier icons)
<3

qualified

in reply to whoever
no its not too hard :<

Not hard to maybe.
Sorry. still too hard to .

/me eat popcorn

the intro stream cant be overspaced if the rest of the map is also overspaced with it, then it's just proportional :v

:v

Not sure how viable this is but guys this mp3 is pretty bad, it is way to loud it clearly is louder than most the songs in my osu! lemme show you what I mean
with a bit of normalization it would be loads better! Also the last diff on this thing is legit silly it is pure pp fodder actually never mind that it is just overmapped to hell and doesn't even remotely fit the music so maybe rethink putting it in the set maybe have it as a only idk this is qualified so someone had to think this was a good idea. Just makes little sense to me to see legit clustercore maps going through for the same reason some maps are held back. If you go with the audio change and I really hope you do here is a normalized version of your mp3 http://puu.sh/waNPk/7ce60aa26d.mp3
currently:


What it should look like:

ztrot wrote: 1s6e

Not sure how viable this is but guys this mp3 is pretty bad, it is way to loud it clearly is louder than most the songs in my osu! lemme show you what I mean
with a bit of normalization it would be loads better! Also the last diff on this thing is legit silly it is pure pp fodder and doesn't even remotely fit the music so maybe rethink putting it in the set maybe have it as a only idk this is qualified so someone had to think this was a good idea. Just makes little sense to me to see legit cluster pp core maps going through for the same reason some maps are held back.

The last diff is not pp fodder at all since most players can't even it...
And added another version of osz with your mp3 to creator words. Thanks for help!

mp3 is fine. otherwise hundreds of ranked mp3s proceed by me have the same problem.

wd

Hey, I had a look at your highest diff and find some of the decisiond you made questionable regarding readability and the song.

00:30:960 (1) - How do you justify the spaced streams starting at this point? I see that you want to express the buildup but still, this is such a calm section and I could argue that personally to me this is one of the hardest spikes in the map.
01:33:561 (2,3,4) - This triple is barely audible in the music, why would you space it that much. I'd go for a really low spacing actually to reflect the music here.
01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - This comes without proper introduction as it's the first 1/6 rhythm in the map and looks visually exactly the same as your other spaced 1/8 streams and triples which makes it very surprising when first encountered. I'd recommend you to use another spacing for 1/3 or introduce it properly with a slider first.
01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - What happened here? Even though this is introduced by a 1/6 slider, this is nowhere close to intuitive as 01:48:416 (3) - is weirdly hiddden under 1 and 2,4 are closer to eachother. You never made a pattern like this before and suddenly expect people to be able to read it? I'd just go for normal spacing as the song doesn't even do something that special there.
01:51:596 (2,1) - Very small 1/2 spacing after giant jumps and a spaced triple following isn't a good idea here, I'd say. You had all this spaced 1/3 and giant jumps before which could make this easily misunderstandable. Also, I still don't get why you'd space it as giant.
01:53:850 (2,3,4,1) - And now we are switching back to 1/3 jump shenanigans? Basically the same as before, this comes out of nowhere and is extremely misleading.

Also due to your gigantic buildup jumps I dislike how some of the more important beats get less emphasis than some less important notes.
Moreover to be completely honest with you, I feel like this map was only made to be difficult without keeping the music and playability in mind at some points.

Mao wrote: d2n2w

Hey, I had a look at your highest diff and find some of the decisiond you made questionable regarding readability and the song.

00:30:960 (1) - How do you justify the spaced streams starting at this point? I see that you want to express the buildup but still, this is such a calm section and I could argue that personally to me this is one of the hardest spikes in the map.
As you said, to treat this part as a calm section or not is quite subjective. In reference to the instrumental version (puush can't work here now, not sure if you can access to this link) and the video, it's quite clear that the composer intended to make this part as one of the intense part like the climax imo, even though this part has no vocals.
Besides the feeling of difficulty can varies from person to person due to their different skills. As you can see from the replays on leaderboard, this stream part is not that hard (compared with the jumps) to a number of players with 4kpp or even less.

01:33:561 (2,3,4) - This triple is barely audible in the music, why would you space it that much. I'd go for a really low spacing actually to reflect the music here.
Emmmm...Maybe we had different Equalizer settings? The inserted track of drums (from 01:33:387 - to 01:34:775 - , not only 01:33:387 - and 01:34:081 - ) sounds really loud to me (yeah, including this triple) that I feel this whole track should be emphasized rather than several single sounds here. According to this composer's habit, a newly inserted track always means an big increase of song intensity. It's quite reasonable that I used spaced triple and big jumps to emphasize the new track here.

01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - This comes without proper introduction as it's the first 1/6 rhythm in the map and looks visually exactly the same as your other spaced 1/8 streams and triples which makes it very surprising when first encountered. I'd recommend you to use another spacing for 1/3 or introduce it properly with a slider first.
This pattern plays pretty well as it created a deceleration between two jump parts to show the changes of the song here. Although it is harder to read to a certain extent, players can still tell the difference of rhythm from the song itself and from the combo color (if they disabled beatmap skin, it's themselves that have to take the risk of losing some readability). Also this rhythm will become really easy to read after the first play. I don't think it's necessary to give up this nice pattern to make the map easy to read in everyone's first try.
And again, as you can see from the leaderboard, for most player's with ability to play this map, it's not difficult to notice this 1/6 rhythm here. AR 9.3 actually made this pattern looks even not similar as 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - , not to mention the spaced streams. From a player's view, this pattern is also fine to me.

01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - What happened here? Even though this is introduced by a 1/6 slider, this is nowhere close to intuitive as 01:48:416 (3) - is weirdly hiddden under 1 and 2,4 are closer to eachother. You never made a pattern like this before and suddenly expect people to be able to read it? I'd just go for normal spacing as the song doesn't even do something that special there.
This part is intenser than former kiai (could tell from the instrumental version). In this case this pattern gives a intenser rhythm to show the rhythm changes and reduced the spacing to express the lowered tone at the same time. As for playability, 3 is just partly overlapped by 1 and it's totally readable to most players. There is difficulty to read the 1/6 rhythm, bus as you said, this pattern is introduced by a slider and it's not first time of this rhythm show up. In this case this pattern is still readable and fun to play unless the player can't do that single tap himself.

01:51:596 (2,1) - Very small 1/2 spacing after giant jumps and a spaced triple following isn't a good idea here, I'd say. You had all this spaced 1/3 and giant jumps before which could make this easily misunderstandable. Also, I still don't get why you'd space it as giant.
This is smaller than some other jumps but not "very small". The spaced triple is intended to emphasize the rhythm,
and again, 1/3 and 1/4 triple looks not similar under ar9.3. Even if a player can't really tell the difference, he could tell the rhythm in his second or third try. It's not necessary to make a map MUST be readable in the first play.

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1) - And now we are switching back to 1/3 jump shenanigans? Basically the same as before, this comes out of nowhere and is extremely misleading.
Same to 01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - . Additional difficulty was intended to be set here to express this part as the most intense part. It's subjective that someone may not view this part as the most intense one, but it's definitely intense.
I have to say that from most players' views there are no misleading information in 1/3 back and force patterns. If someone really think it's unreadable and extremely difficult that can't reflect the song, it's because he is not good at playing high bpm patterns himself, rather than the pattern itself.

Also due to your gigantic buildup jumps I dislike how some of the more important beats get less emphasis than some less important notes.
Moreover to be completely honest with you, I feel like this map was only made to be difficult without keeping the music and playability in mind at some points.
This really makes me sad I had never thought of mapping for difficulty. Although I didn't use those common playable and easy-reading patterns, that doesn't means I paid no attention to the map's playability or readability. Just in the contrary, I took more effort in this map than others to ensure every pattern in this diff be playable and reasonable to most players. I understand there may be a basic disagreement with our idea of arranging the elements in a map ---- to choose something to emphasize, or how to emphasize something from the song. But these are subjective disagreements. Both your and my idea can work well as far as I can tell.

UndeadCapulet wrote: 1t2uc

in reply to ztrot and Mao
no its not too hard :<

I don't think the concern here is difficulty, but rather interpretation. Making sure a map is properly interpreting notes in relation to itself is one of the primary jobs of a modder and mapper.

With that being said, I agree with Mao's points and would like to give this map some more time for discussion/debate on those points. I have someone's graduation to attend today but I'll try to hop in here as soon as I'm free to help with suggestions and changes, as well.

map discussion 👀

things brought up before:
after playing the top diff multiple times and checking it in editor I actually think the streams are quite fine
they match the intensity part overall and aren't even that difficult in comparison to the map as a whole

increasing (and also overall) spacing on 00:30:960 - seems fine to me as the whole part is pretty much consistently increasing pressure on the player with increasing spacing, which I think is a nice concept here

the only thing that bothered me a bit was the movement on 00:32:781 (6,7,1,2) - the transition just felt much harsher than the others, making it a bit painful to snap to the highest spacing stream in the whole part
I think you could rotate the whole stream a bit, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/pMc2Jujb.jpg ?

01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - might be a bit harder to sightread, but it makes perfect sense with the music. using a repeat here would be much less representative. I don't think the lower sightreadabiltity, especially on what you might call a rather "high-end" difficulty (filled with big jumps and spaced streams), should be seen as an issue, but rather a design choice.

01:48:301 (2,3,4) - actually kinda agree with mao here, but not cause of readabilty, but because the high spacing 1/6 jumps seems so sudden and the intensity overall seems quite similar to your lower spaced 1/6 stuff, so I think this could be reduced. compare to 01:53:850 (2,3,4) - which makes sense cause it seems more intense overall with the strings

01:51:596 (2,1) - didn't seem misleading at all to me and fits pretty well? the difference between such timing gaps is easy enough to read by ar alone

01:53:850 (2,3,4) - as stated above, spacing itself makes sense to me, though I think the back and forth patterning for this is a bit harsh here and seems like a weird choice movement emphasis wise, how about moving (2) to do something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/0NUzn38H.jpg or similar?


tl;dr: stream spacing things make sense to me. readability is fine (and not everything has to be simple and intuitive) but I think some of the 1/6 patterns could be changed a bit placement wise
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other points:
01:30:960 (2) - rhythm here seemed a bit unfitting to me as you suddenly have everything (vocals, string, drums) on the slidertail and barely anything on head?. something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/pdJoKard.jpg might be nice?

minor things, but 01:44:833 (1) - shape stood out in a strange way compared to your other visuals, I think something more curvy would work better
also 01:56:971 (1) - stacking this on 01:55:757 (2) - instead would be cute



hs suggestion: how about replacing drum-hitwhistle with the default soft-whistle so you can put it on the piano sounds you emphasized in the stream part?

Reply to Mao's post is finished. If there's anything that I need to do in the requalification progress, please tell me.
Currently what I know I can do is just waiting for discussion from unknown people until an unknown date. That's not really pleasing, right?

DQ is done too easily. I saw same one before in Karia's map, quite uncomfortable at this.

Actually I think difficulty is fine in this map.
1. 00:30:960 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same with imoutosan, song gave.

2. 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - I could hear obviously and tension is super high, so looks cool for me tho

3. 01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - yea 01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - we 01:42:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - have 01:47:954 (1) - so many introductions. + white NC. At point he gave so many stuffs for readability, we can't say more about it. It's the highest extra, for pro players like 1k or higher. Reading is also ability, isn't it? What's more important here is how this pattern is well blended with song, which i think it's nicely done.

but just fixing looks ez for reQF sad thing

I have already given up easy qualification after my 3rd map lol
Now I just want to show that there are much more methods to make quality maps, not only those common patterns...

Oh, and rank 1k is a little too high for the diff imo. I thought players around 5k would enjoy it more.

DQ is always done that easily from long time ago lol

Hi I think the offset is a bit early, I would say if you moved them 20-25ms forward it would sound better.

Map is really cool though, good luck!

LMT wrote: 59u14

Hi I think the offset is a bit early, I would say if you moved them 20-25ms forward it would sound better.

Map is really cool though, good luck!

Fixed and updated. Thanks for help!

Lasse wrote: 4y3p20

map discussion 👀

things brought up before:

the only thing that bothered me a bit was the movement on 00:32:781 (6,7,1,2) - the transition just felt much harsher than the others, making it a bit painful to snap to the highest spacing stream in the whole part
I think you could rotate the whole stream a bit, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/pMc2Jujb.jpg ?
Personally I prefer make the former transition softer... Current placement is easier for mouse players to catch the stream though.

01:48:301 (2,3,4) - actually kinda agree with mao here, but not cause of readabilty, but because the high spacing 1/6 jumps seems so sudden and the intensity overall seems quite similar to your lower spaced 1/6 stuff, so I think this could be reduced. compare to 01:53:850 (2,3,4) - which makes sense cause it seems more intense overall with the strings
01:53:850 (2,3,4) - as stated above, spacing itself makes sense to me, though I think the back and forth patterning for this is a bit harsh here and seems like a weird choice movement emphasis wise, how about moving (2) to do something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/0NUzn38H.jpg or similar?
Reduced these spacings a bit. Changed the second pattern's placement.

other points:
01:30:960 (2) - rhythm here seemed a bit unfitting to me as you suddenly have everything (vocals, string, drums) on the slidertail and barely anything on head?. something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/pdJoKard.jpg might be nice?
Changed to similar rhythm like 01:25:426 (2,3,1,2,3) - since they have same double-downbeat rhythm.

minor things, but 01:44:833 (1) - shape stood out in a strange way compared to your other visuals, I think something more curvy would work better
Yeah it was intended to be straight to make it stand out here... Curvy shapes seems too simple imo

also 01:56:971 (1) - stacking this on 01:55:757 (2) - instead would be cute
Fixed and adjusted this pattern a bit.


hs suggestion: how about replacing drum-hitwhistle with the default soft-whistle so you can put it on the piano sounds you emphasized in the stream part?
ummmm sounds nice, but I still prefer emphasizing drums here.

alright I think 9 days should be enough to let people voice their opinion..

seems like you didn't adjust the custom break snapping at 00:19:876 - on some diffs when you changed offset, check start and end of the break on diffs that use it

misure's diff and normal should probably use more fitting combo colors instead of the ones from pinkheart's diff, since the bgs are different


should be fine to bubble after this, considering the set got dq'd because of the top diff and things have been discussed

I forgot it again orz
Fixed and updated with new combo colors in lower diffs.

bubbled

p/5871131 first bubble was before bn split, so it can also be qualified by t1

by lasse's request, and ofc my own volition

[istoria]
00:25:079 (1) - this change felt a bit lacking in impact. since things like 00:24:038 (1,1) - came with sharp angle changes, this one isn't as distinguished. you could create a bigger angle change here to differentiate this part a bit? since 00:24:992 (6,1,2) - still feels like part of 00:24:732 (3,4,5,6,1) - section

00:27:853 (5) - didn't see a reason for this angle change either, normally it's placed on a sound in the song but here seems kind of random?

00:55:079 (7) - feels kinda useless as a note, there's nothing here really and the part is quite calm so filler rhythm is not that useful imo (if you implement this, you did it one time earlier on the same pattern. so change that too? 00:46:755 (4) - )

01:25:946 (2,3) - ctrl g here could be better to follow the vocal? since 01:24:905 (1,2,1) - etc are following vocals too, could be nice to follow it here

01:40:339 (1,2) - this jump itself played awkwardly to me. due to the visual dissimilarity to 01:38:778 (1) - i personally could not read it as a 1/8th jump; if you think it's an issue, you could simply bend the slider a bit more to look like the other one, since it's a similar slider then it would be more expected.

01:50:397 (1,2) - didn't really see use of kicksliders on drums before - why here?

01:54:385 (2) - well, i could tell why it's so big, but even then imo since there is not a big sound at this place having it as a similar spacing to 01:55:079 (4,5,1) - felt a bit too big to me - https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8382290 is my suggestion here.
[xtra]
00:49:009 (6) - missing nc?

01:26:119 (5) - imo deleting this and replacing 01:25:946 (4) - with a slider would work better, due to the lack of vocal on 01:26:119 -

01:35:657 (4,5,1) - considering there was never a stacking slider pattern before, this felt pretty unexpected. how about unstacking it to make it similar with other patterns in the map?

[insane]
01:26:119 (5,1) - blanket? to prove i looked at the diff
[normal]
00:21:264 - rip custom break?

00:30:281 (5,1) - an overlap of this size might be a bit hard to see - maybe bring the 1 out from under 5 a bit?

pm when you respond

Thank you Lasse ＆Nao, but my PC boomed before and the new have not already, so all handed over to imouto.

I always have to fix others' maps

Naotoshi wrote: 2v95j

by lasse's request, and ofc my own volition

[istoria]
00:27:853 (5) - didn't see a reason for this angle change either, normally it's placed on a sound in the song but here seems kind of random? This plays similar as an oval stream. However oval looks not fit so I made a slight angle here.

00:55:079 (7) - feels kinda useless as a note, there's nothing here really and the part is quite calm so filler rhythm is not that useful imo (if you implement this, you did it one time earlier on the same pattern. so change that too? 00:46:755 (4) - ) 00:46:755 (4) - catch a vocal there, so remove it will make that part a little weird. In this case, keep 00:55:079 (7) - for consistency feels better imo.

01:25:946 (2,3) - ctrl g here could be better to follow the vocal? since 01:24:905 (1,2,1) - etc are following vocals too, could be nice to follow it here Well, actually not that nice imo... Since mostly I followed drum in kiai, which is opposite to rhythms with syncopation, skipping this redline feels awkward.

01:50:397 (1,2) - didn't really see use of kicksliders on drums before - why here? 01:50:570 (1) - is intended to emphasize the string. Changed the former one to a circle.

[normal]
00:21:264 - rip custom break? Yeah, because of ar5.5 default break is shorter than custom.

pm when you respond

No reply = fixed. Thanks for help!

qualified

changed some really minor stuff.

cant wait to see success rate

!! gratz

wb

ty to all 6 bns that have helped push this forward <3

gratz!!

regratz!

UndeadCapulet wrote: 1t2uc

wb

ty to all 6 bns that have helped push this forward <3

yw

ok. thank you all now!