Koiyuki wrote: 155d4d

kksr's ex
00:21:942 (1) - to 1/8 repeat
01:20:208 (1) - remove nc
01:41:885 (2) - whi
01:43:966 (5) - ^
01:52:463 (6) - ^

all fixed
thx

all fixed and updated

umh... I was checking bubbled maps and I noticed this. Mind if I mod it? x)
EDIT: uh... let's stop for a moment to discuss instead, shall we

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Posting this for now.
I'd like to give a short mod too, to go more in details, although the big part is already up there ^

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

umh... I was checking bubbled maps and I noticed this. Mind if I mod it? x)
EDIT: uh... let's stop for a moment to discuss instead, shall we

Main Issues 2q4369

1. 01:01:480 - SV here is set to be equal to the SV in kiai time and this makes me wonder: is the song so intense here to warrant such big spacing and SV? Disclaimer: nope.
   I believe you should reduce SV for this section to better express the song. The same goes for spacing: it should be shorter, like... 01:02:520 (4,1) - wut ?.?
   reduced the sv and spacing.
   This applies to both the highest diff in the mapset. The Extra GD actually has a tiny difference of x0.10 in SV with the kiai time, but let's be honest: it is not noticeable enough to convey the proper feeling
2. 00:22:636 - let's take the stream part now.
   irc talked and reached an agreement now. reduced a part's spacing

1. 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - the higest diff presents some really awkward diff spikes across the kiai time.
   One of those examples is this triplet, which is suddenly spaced way more than any other thing in the map till now.
   Please do mind diff spikes and try to avoid this stuff. reduced spacing.
2. General notice that the white combos are hella hard to play. Even if you put a warning in description that doesn't help much in gameplay. The way they get introduced is similar to a normal 1/2 snap (or even worse, smaller than a 1/4 snap 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - <.<"). Later on you even change drastically their spacing and it becomes like a jump: 01:48:301 (2,3,4) - 01:53:850 (2,3,4) - .
   I must tell you that is really unpredictable and as a player I wouldn't expect such a big change out of nowhere. irc talked and readched another agreement that this two won't produce a difficulty spike like 01:33:561 (2,3,4) because of the two 1/3 patterns in former kiai. also reduced the second pattern's spacing since a circle is harder to catch than a slider

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Posting this for now.
I'd like to give a short mod too, to go more in details, although the big part is already up there ^

For the normal diff I'd like to respond after the mod is given. Currently fixed stuffs are these now.
If someone need the irc chatlog just tell me.

Edit1: added some illustration of pinkheart's explanation of flow

Edit2: fixed a lot of stuffs in Normal.

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

umh... I was checking bubbled maps and I noticed this. Mind if I mod it? x)
EDIT: uh... let's stop for a moment to discuss instead, shall we

Main Issues 2q4369

1. 00:22:636 - let's take the stream part now.
   I don't plan on telling you to remove the stream, don't worry, but the way it gets represented is too... random? Let's say that it is a bit hard to follow if I listen to the song properly.
   On PinkHeart's diff:
   1. I don't have much to say apart from the fact it is really cramped. Maybe increase SV and add a tiny bit of DS too, because it is really too short compared to the next diff in the spread raised overall DS to make this part more clearly. as for SV it seems not to help so kept.

[*]Talking about the Insane, the first kiai as a strangely short spacing in the first kiai. Once it starts you don't even get that "punch" a kiai should give since spacing is too similar to before. Add some more punch to it please hmm...ok? If that won't break the spread.
[*]Always on Insane, the flow is really disregarded in some places.
You should try thinking at how mouse players will play this more than tablet players, since at this level many players will still be playing with mouse. I am a mouse player and I had thought how they would play.
Flows like... 00:36:509 (1,2,3) - just trying to copy flow from 00:34:255 (2,3,4,1) - . I don't mind to change this if it's really unacceptable.
00:55:931 (1,2,3,4) - fixed
01:34:775 (1,2,3) - sorry, didn't get your point. what's the flow issue of it?
01:37:549 (1,1,2,1) - (you really want to make them dead, heh) It's not flow but reading issue imo. If you are sure that it's hard to read, I'll change it.
01:46:567 (3,4,1) - It's the same flow as 01:34:775 (1,2,3) - .
01:48:648 (1,2,1) - still same as 01:46:567 (3,4,1) - .

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Posting this for now.
I'd like to give a short mod too, to go more in details, although the big part is already up there ^

I need more specific illustration of the issue on 01:34:775 (1,2,3) - before I give explanations or making changes of similar patterns. Some explanations were given in imoutosan's post.
Thanks for modding anyway.

in Hard diff:
fix those rhythm in the first part, but keep 00:09:804 (2) - to have a better consistency;
keep 01:02:001 (2) - to make rhythm more comfortable, ah I mean I'd like to make it dense here;
as for the second part, I don't think patterns are poor, at least I avoid overlapping and use some mirrored pattern like 00:25:411 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - copy paste, 00:30:960 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - mirrored, to make it clean as far as possible, with the repeated rhythm, ah but from 00:33:734 - I intended to make them not mirrored to perform the rhythm change.
if I failed to make it clean, that means I'm noob rather than I put little thought xd

Thanks for your modding!

ahh I'm poor at English LOL

貼昨天的IRC賺點KD


全弄好再叫我。

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

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Main Issues 2q4369

• 
  This applies to both the highest diff in the mapset. The Extra GD actually has a tiny difference of x0.10 in SV with the kiai time, but let's be honest: it is not noticeable enough to convey the proper feeling
  as you said, indeed, same SV is better; but chorus is chorus, not an other part of the song. so I make there a bit faster, 0.1 enough, 0.2 too fast and hard to layout.

1. 00:22:636 - let's take the stream part now.
   On Kaedeka's diff:
   1. the stream is nice in consistency since it uses the same spacing, so that's a bonus
   2. piano here is getting even more ignored tho. Even if it is clearly audible it doesn't get any emphasis at all, it gets treated as a background instrument, lol
      ohhh I get your mean, just pick up some of the piano to slider jump

thank you

ok then...

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uhhh, this took me way longer than expected. Sorry for the delay.
In case you didn't understand something let me know.

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

ok then...

Istoria 2odl

1. 00:25:064 (1,2,3,4) - you mentioned this too, but I see it didn't get fixed yet, so here's an option: http://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/7577022
   I'd like a gentler transition between 00:25:064 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:25:411 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - . so raised spacing but kept the shape of stream
2. 00:33:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - again in PM you told me you followed the piano's pitch for the spacing of streams, but then... why is this grave piano note representing a high spaced stream? Not to mention it is it the most spaced one in the whole section o.O
   sure I should make this spacing smaller if I only followed piano.
   on the whole of the song this part has a grow of strength between 00:32:347 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and 00:33:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - . (the artist added a new track of stronger drums from 00:33:041 -) so I'm pretty sure that current spacing is definitely reasonable and acceptble here.
3. What tells me that 01:30:613 (1,2) - is not the same as 01:31:653 (5,1) - ? They are visually the same concept, just with a different order, so I might as well consider 01:31:653 (5,1) - a 1/4 gap too .-. for most players these are easy to read because they could hear obvious different rhythms. are you really sure that this could be easily misread?
4. 01:33:908 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is a one-time thing, but structure here seems to be lacking.
   What I mean by that is that it doesn't seem to me these jumps have any specific rule to be like that. Ok having intensity being expressed, but the whole thing is just... there to be there and nothing else. the current 1 is at the easiest place. placing elswhere would just increase unnecessary difficulty here and there. I don't really like unstructive patterns but sometimes they are good choices to do.
   This happens in other parts but it is pointless to point them all out
5. 01:39:630 (1,2) - the famous 1/3 snaps... Actually, why is this jump so big? It is surprisingly big compared to the rest of the combo :/
   It is also inconsistent with 01:42:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - for example, or 01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - where spacing is increased, or even 01:53:850 (2,3,4,1) - where again spacing is increased
   I guess I don't need to defend the playablitly for these patterns again. the difficulty won't be really decreased until I scale them to some really small spacing, which is just meaningless and causing unnecessary changes of the whole kiai structure.

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Normal 6g3l6m

all fixed so no reply

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uhhh, this took me way longer than expected. Sorry for the delay.
In case you didn't understand something let me know.

All diffs fixed and updated.

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

Misure's Hard 1ud34

1. 00:09:804 (2) - since you follow the piano in this section what do you think of deleting this? It just adds distractions to the main instrument imo
2. 00:18:475 (3) - since you seem to shift from piano to vocals with this I suggest increasing it by 1/2
   fixed the first one, and did the same rhythm for this one
3. 00:35:816 (3,4) - small detail but you could convert these into a slider to create some contrast. By doing so the next circles will feel more important
   prefer to emphazise that four sounds here, which will be exciting after 00:34:775 (1,2) - imo
4. 01:05:122 (2,3) - I just have a small spacing change for this one: image
   I suggest this because your current flow seems a little forced. By that I mean not following the slider's direction after you leave the slider itself. I could give you a screen of that but I believe it is a bit pointless.
   yea it is, but I want to keep the shape to make 01:05:295 (3,1,2,3) - mirrored, so fix the angle slightly
5. 01:07:029 (1,2,3) - talking about aesthetics a bit here. The current design is a bit... "strange" imo, since you put together slider shapes that don't go well together: image.
   I just wonder what meaning that sort of thing has, that's all.
   umm... I really don't know how to explain this, maybe my own taste yea maybe you'd say my taste is terrible lol
6. 01:14:659 (3) - I suggest to turn this into a simple circle. As it is now it feels too dense and moreover there isn't a particular focus on anything. If you place the circle you can manage to give more importance to 01:15:006 (4) -
7. 01:16:740 (1) - same reasoning here ^
   keep these two cautz I feel music is stronger and stronger so I only cut the rhythm at 01:15:179 - to better emphasize 01:15:006 (4) - .
8. 01:49:341 (3,1) - well, I tried explaining a bit flow earlier with a screen and now it repeats. You should try to make things more natural on lower diffs
9. 01:46:567 (3,1) - same ^
   umm not a problem imo cautz this could better show the strong beats imo
10. 01:53:503 (1,2,1) - it's a bit cramped in here, can you manage something perhaps?
    sry but I really like this one and 1/3s could be emphasized like this
11. 01:55:931 (2,3) - I believe this is a bit hard to interpret for this level. Maybe reduce the jump?
    a jump ay the ending is acceptable I think, at least it's fit here maybe

Thanks for your modding!

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

ok then...

Kaedeka's Extra 2h5tp

1. 00:23:156 (7,7) - using sliders where there are no piano notes makes them feel strange when you actually use them for 00:24:890 (3,6) - . Try giving them a more rigid rule and not just "let's place one here because I like it this way"
   just let players easier to catch stream when it disconnect. a too long stream at the beginning too hard I think;
   I probably don't need to tell you how the rest of the stream sort of ignores the piano during the stream (I already did anyway)
   yes I know what your mean and I also have pick some of them as short slider like 00:24:890 (3,6)
2. 00:35:468 (1,2) - wait, weren't you following drums in this part? What is this following?
   The slider should start from the white tick...
   sure. that's my carelessness
3. 00:38:243 (1,1,1,1) - just one NC is good enough. Is there a reason to break this rhythm into so many NCs?
   can be a warning for verse in different style (yeah I know this is not a good reason but I need it
4. 00:40:324 (1,2,3,4) - again strange rhythms. The first two sliders are telling me "follow vocals" but the other two objects tell me "follow <wut>" ?.?
   You can't pick up a new rhythm half way through lol
   so leave blank except 00:40:671 and 00:41:364 ? that's not a good way for me; the vocal same with 00:48:648 (5,6) exactly, just let them similar.
5. 00:51:769 (3,4) - isn't this pattern used just once in the whole map?
   here gives me a pause sense and not suitable to NC
6. 01:13:966 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this is a good chance to bring out "contrast"
   Contrast is a handy technique that lets you focus the player's attention onto a specific sound or rhythm. To do so you have to remove objects from notes that just are in the way. The contrast between the breaks and the actual notes will create a stronger effect on the player.
   In this case, you have too many 1/2 beats, and as such you don't focus the player's attention on anything specific.
   For example 01:16:740 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - seems like following vocals, but 01:16:913 (2) - is in the way and distracts my attention while playing
   I just Faithful to the Accompaniment Rhythm. Didn't you hear the drum there? Listen carefully please, this part full of 1/4 accompaniment, even it hears a bit low contrast with vocal
7. The rest of the map is either lack of contrast for rhythm or lack of structure for aesthetics and I honestly can't make a whole bunch of links just like that. In general it needs more thought imo
   I'm very interest in how you map this song for extra or other difficult diffs.
   But I map this song for a long time, I thought much more than you thought.

thank you very much

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

ok then...

PinkHeart's Insane x6442

• 00:00:440 (1,3) - minor and it probably doesn't need a fix (although it would be cool to)
  The first slider is ignoring a piano beat, which is quite strange: the way they are now it's the same as saying "these are the same thing" while it clear that those two sliders aren't.
  Same for all the others, obviously cool, but I'm not good at mapping this so maybe next time.

1. 00:44:659 - I believe you don't need this in a calm part, it's overmapped a little. Check the other diffs and see what rhythms they use but it looks cool for me. Is it really serious?
2. 01:49:341 (1) - is a Cltr G not feasible? not at all, made it clearer now

ok... there has been some misunderstanding perhaps.
My second post is the minor stuff about the mapset. It needs fixing for sure, but it's not so vital if you consider my first post.

From what I could see the spacing relation across the maps (the difference in speed between parts outside kiai and kiai time) didn't change almost at all. Please don't pretend to change SV by 0.1 and call it a day cause that's not noticeable at all.
Moreover the diff spikes on the last diff are still there...

My pop won't go away, sorry.
Imo your map needs work yet and not from modders but from the mappers. Whether I mod again or not won't change much anyway I believe.
You should go over the first post again...


As a side note let me tell you that your haste to make this map qualified by the release date of the game was probably the mistake, but that's just my opinion which may be wrong.
Good luck~

Just my opinion, actually the sv slider speed not affect these players playing, it can be itted even can playable.
So let me take the responsibility, reb it.
Thanks MrSergio check :3

well, let me clarify what are the left issues with sergio again later.

lame nerfs :/

you discussed the stream with me?
You did?
??????????

I also pointing out structure lacking on Hard tho...
As well as on mostly every diff in the set

I would agree with MrSergio's judgement that this map is not suitable for ranking. Generally the map is way too over the top for such a calm song and I feel like allowing this to be ranked would be detrimental towards the improvement of maps in the ranked section. Both the Extra and the top difficulty have issues with spacing and aesthetics that I feel can be improved upon. If you need more detail as to what exactly I find wrong with the map, you can look at MrSergio's mod, or ask me directly for additional explanations and reasons for why I find issue with this map.

Hey!, agreeing with @xexxar and mrsergio,

map is like pretty overdone, the whole kiai can be considered overmapped as the notes are barely audible.


intensity is all over the place.

01:23:503 (7) - this is just plain wrong, there is the biggest jump pre-kiai in your map and it's overmapped,
vocals don't really justify it cause vocals land a bit later there and it kinda fades in,

whole kiai is overly spaced 01:33:387 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I'm pretty sure the majority would agree with this, notes like these being overmapped or barely audible while playing 01:34:255 (3) - overmapped, It feels like you are trying to compensate the lack of intensity in the song with hitsounds but it's just awkward.


rhythm isn't that great either.

01:24:370 (3) - rhythm choice is so odd here, there are no vocals here and skipping a beat on 01:24:544 - , but sliders like 01:23:676 (1) - really felt focused on vocals,
which breaks the rhythm in correlation with the song, the context of your rhythms really feels counterintuitive. nothing feels really emphasized consistently.

01:32:867 (1,2,3) - You new combo'd on a blue tick while nothing special happens there, you have separate vocals and a drum in the same combo it's really bad rhythm choice.

01:48:416 (3) - no beat here, why a spaced triplet?

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - unplayable, mixing 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 in the SAME section with plain circles

visuals r not good.

01:52:116 (3,1) - patterns don't connect visually with each other, blanket being really noticeably off .
01:32:520 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this looks like whack-a-mole, it's like just looks overly spaced, is making it hard to organize patterns.

smallboat wrote: 385o36

Just my opinion, actually the sv slider speed does not affect these players playing, it can be itted even can playable.
So let me take the responsibility, reb it.
Thanks, MrSergio check :3

It was never about playability though, a map also has to make sense. you need to both. Also, this isn't playable.

I'm not sure why this got even bubbled, there are some obvious fatal problems in this map. so yeah i don't think this is suitable for ranking yet for some time, so stop rushing your map thanks.

why is xexxar popping a map of a song he is trying to rank :thinking:

zev wrote: 36256w

Hey!, agreeing with @xexxar and mrsergio,

map is like pretty overdone, the whole kiai can be considered overmapped as the notes are barely audible.


intensity is all over the place.

01:23:503 (7) - this is just plain wrong, there is the biggest jump pre-kiai in your map and it's overmapped,
vocals don't really justify it cause vocals land a bit later there and it kinda fades in, this is clearly justified by the fact that it's a massive build up in intensity in the strings. consider the relevant cursor movement and the song itself, you can hear a lot of new strings coming in, a new arpeggio, etc.

whole kiai is overly spaced 01:33:387 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I'm pretty sure the majority would agree with this, notes like these being overmapped or barely audible while playing 01:34:255 (3) - overmapped, It feels like you are trying to compensate the lack of intensity in the song with hitsounds but it's just awkward. i can agree that this is a bit overspaced, but the song itself is clearly having a more intense moment, again with new instruments, the violins dip down and start a new movement up, etc.

rhythm isn't that great either.

01:24:370 (3) - rhythm choice is so odd here, there are no vocals here and skipping a beat on 01:24:544 - , but sliders like 01:23:676 (1) - really felt focused on vocals,
which breaks the rhythm in correlation with the song, the context of your rhythms really feels counterintuitive. nothing feels really emphasized consistently.
to me it seems like the rhythm does switch focus a lot, but outside of the slider you highlighted at 01:24:370 (3) - it seemed very clear what the clicking followed. you can hear the strings focus on things like 01:27:492 (3,4) - or 01:29:746 (2,3,4,5) - and the strongest vocal downbeats were followed with extended sliders.
01:32:867 (1,2,3) - You new combo'd on a blue tick while nothing special happens there, you have separate vocals and a drum in the same combo it's really bad rhythm choice.
agreed. doing something like http://puu.sh/uVhfA/33b3afb286.jpg would make the rhythm seem a bit more consistent with regards to what it follows.

01:48:416 (3) - no beat here, why a spaced triplet? 01:48:416 (3) - is an added circle to make the 1/3 rhythm easier than having a 1/3 gap that is never repeated again in the map. everyone has different opinions on additive rhythm, but imo this is a decent use of it since it fits in the context of the song.

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - unplayable, mixing 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 in the SAME section with plain circles one can play a map, but you can't, then you're just too weak. the different snappings are very clearly spaced differently, colorhaxed differently. besides, it actually does follow the song.

visuals r not good.

01:52:116 (3,1) - patterns don't connect visually with each other, blanket being really noticeably off . ah yes this 5 pixel off blanket defuses the entire cohesiveness of the repeated patterning that is based on returning back to the origin or extending slider patterns that is used consistently in the kiai. totally.
01:32:520 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this looks like whack-a-mole, it's like just looks overly spaced, is making it hard to organize patterns. 01:33:908 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is clearly a star made from 2 opposing triangles, like the star of david... besides, while this is possibly overspaced, the fact that it doesn't make a nice visually spaced even pattern is a much more stylistic thing. just because you may really really like making polygons out of any and everything doesn't mean that everyone should do the same thing. using cursor movement to determine object placement, as was done here, is a completely valid way to do things.

smallboat wrote: 385o36

Just my opinion, actually the sv slider speed does not affect these players playing, it can be itted even can playable.
So let me take the responsibility, reb it.
Thanks, MrSergio check :3

It was never about playability though, a map also has to make sense. you need to both. Also, this isn't playable. playable is very relative, yes you can't play it but you happen to be a 60k, i can play it fine. playability is only an issue with concerns to proportionality of difficulty within the map, which is the argument you should be bringing up if you want to mod this properly.

I'm not sure why this got even bubbled, there are some obvious fatal problems in this map. so yeah i don't think this is suitable for ranking yet for some time, so stop rushing your map thanks. i can agree that there are some issues, but calling them fatal is exaggerating since they amount to the spacing being overdone in your opinion. this map got bubbled because smallboat thinks it's ready for ranking, you should know how the nomination system works by now =)

Naotoshi wrote: 2v95j

why is xexxar popping a map of a song he is trying to rank :thinking:

im farming post count

if you agree with sergio, and sergio's mods were already responded to, what is the purpose of popping without going further into explanation.

/reviewing chatlog
I did. Didin't I?

Thank you, Nao

Naotoshi wrote: 2v95j

why is xexxar popping a map of a song he is trying to rank :thinking:

because of xexxar mapped the same song and he always looks down on others with his habit.
The first pop by MrSergio also from xexxar's encouragement( if someone need evidence I'll put it here. )
I won't and never give any advice to his map, that does not make sense, no help to me, neither to him.

I talk about with MrSergio, he said he dislike this song, I'm very interest in how a man dislike a song can be attracted then put forward any useful advice.
We also have already replied what we agreed with MrSergio's mod and what we not, with us grounds.
Here xexxar popped again, without any new reason this time.
That's funny. Does he is blindman? Or he just want pop to pop?
I believe he is the second one.
Let's see your MALICIOUS, xexxar. Just write down your reasons, one by one clearly, let me know your "good opinions".
If you repeat MrSergio's mod again, I looks down to you, like how you looks down to other mappers.

The last to MrSergio and xexxar:
Your advice can't touch me, can't touch others, so you play with your permissions.
That's fantastic.

“走自己的路，让别人无路可走”

ok well ur attitude is exactly why i didnt even bother writing out why i think your map is bad, because you're clearly not willing to listen anyway so its a waste of both our time.

well, calm down please everyone. This is still my map's thread and I'm not asking for a quarrel.

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

ok well ur attitude is exactly why i didnt even bother writing out why i think your map is bad, because you're clearly not willing to listen anyway so its a waste of both our time.

if its such a waste of your time don't bother popping it because you clearly have no intention of arguing over why you think it shouldn't be bubbled other that just saying "agre with sergio"

This isn't the first time xexxar and mrsergio have popped bubbles based on subjective reasons and the basis that they just personally do not like the map. I do think it would be wise to stop popping for some silly aesthetic related reasons, not many ppl like the look of your maps xexxar believe it or not.

In your mods you should really be a lot more objective, also here's a tip - don't use so many question marks in mods, it's a bad habit

zev wrote: 36256w

Hey!, agreeing with @xexxar and mrsergio,

map is like pretty overdone, the whole kiai can be considered overmapped as the notes are barely audible. That's right. raised se volume of kiai.

intensity is all over the place.

01:23:503 (7) - this is just plain wrong, there is the biggest jump pre-kiai in your map and it's overmapped,
vocals don't really justify it cause vocals land a bit later there and it kinda fades in, and intensity is not decided by vocal here if you really listened to the song

whole kiai is overly spaced 01:33:387 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I'm pretty sure the majority would agree with this, notes like these being overmapped or barely audible while playing 01:34:255 (3) - overmapped, It feels like you are trying to compensate the lack of intensity in the song with hitsounds but it's just awkward. sorry but it makes me feel like that it's more like your own feeling instead of the song intensity. I'm pretty sure it matches the intensity of the song for many other players' standard.
besides, this pattern is easier than it looks if you could play the rest parts of the map


rhythm isn't that great either.

01:24:370 (3) - rhythm choice is so odd here, there are no vocals here and skipping a beat on 01:24:544 - , but sliders like 01:23:676 (1) - really felt focused on vocals,
which breaks the rhythm in correlation with the song, the context of your rhythms really feels counterintuitive. nothing feels really emphasized consistently. and I'm not following the vocals, so there's no 'rhythm breaking' as you said

01:32:867 (1,2,3) - You new combo'd on a blue tick while nothing special happens there, you have separate vocals and a drum in the same combo it's really bad rhythm choice. oops, that's my fault

01:48:416 (3) - no beat here, why a spaced triplet? empty the rhythm here will just increase unnecessary reading difficultys

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - unplayable, mixing 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 in the SAME section with plain circles should I give a replay to show it's playable?

visuals r not good.

01:52:116 (3,1) - patterns don't connect visually with each other, blanket being really noticeably off .
01:32:520 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this looks like whack-a-mole, it's like just looks overly spaced, is making it hard to organize patterns. is non-polygon patterns illegal now? as far as I see most players can organize these patterns
and sure it looks overspaced, but for playing: not.

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

ok well ur attitude is exactly why i didnt even bother writing out why i think your map is bad, because you're clearly not willing to listen anyway so its a waste of both our time.

I repeat:
If your mod can touch me, I would follow your opinions. But unfortunately you can't, neither other new mods or ideas.
You can only mod something useless just like "bad" "bad" and "bad", and as you said, wasting time. I'm sad to see your modding skills like these.
Anyway, I respect your mapping style,no relationship with good or bad, also all of other mappers. I wish you can give more homage to others, too.
Opinions just opinions, advices just advices, you have no right to force others to be like you. That's your bad.
Good luck to you.
Now if your can't be more useful here, shut up, go away and cherish your BN authority please.
I don't want to see you anymore.

Edit:
Thanks to everyone who give me interesting and useful advises.
Thanks to everyone who love my(our) maps.
谢谢你们

zev wrote: 36256w

Hey!, agreeing with @xexxar and mrsergio,

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - unplayable, mixing 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 in the SAME section with plain circles

haven't read everything but honestly think some of this stuff really doesn't make any sense especially the above, things like these are perfectly fine lol, no need to bold it either it really doesn't make a difference
think this is going a bit too far, can agree that the spacing is a bit too much but other than that this map rly is fine
let me know if you need a mod or something

Kisses wrote: 45e28

This isn't the first time xexxar and mrsergio have popped bubbles based on subjective reasons and the basis that they just personally do not like the map. I do think it would be wise to stop popping for some silly aesthetic related reasons, not many ppl like the look of your maps xexxar believe it or not.

In your mods you should really be a lot more objective, also here's a tip - don't use so many question marks in mods, it's a bad habit

anyway i updated to fix some 'personal fix'... it seems like there are some misunderstanding between me and mrsergio so some fixes are not acceptable to me now. changed something back to make the latter progress more clearly.

I honestly see no problem with the set at all, just people trying to force their opinion onto others with subjective reasoning :/

Anyway, good luck here ~

[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt.
2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency.
3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid
4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent?
5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening? The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm.
6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand.
7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved.
8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider?
9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least.
10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped
11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place.
12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?)
13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle
14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix.
15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that design
16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following.
17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up.
18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily.
19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap

There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.

good
why this time you can mod clearly? not wasting your time?
let me see is this useful or just some nonsenses.
I'll reply you here when I'm home, wait me

I asked xexxar to help me gather his and MrSergio's points of current left popping reasons. So a clearer summary of the situation of the bubble-popping side may be given tomorrow. That would avoid more misunderstanding (well, that often show up with MrSergio) in the future I think.
Thanks to xexxar's help in advance!

That's why i tried to rank my maps asap before the bn tier system fucks up the entire mapping community

how could you see the map(s) is lack of structure? I can't understand that.
anyway, calm down plz

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt. Way too subjective...
2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency. There's some truth to this. There is indeed a note, though I think the piano isn't as strong compared to others. mapping or or not mapping it, if the mapper has a good reason, this should be acceptable.
3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid What?
4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent?Doesn't seem necessary. I think it will post a reading hazard actually, if 1/4 repeats and streams use the same spacing. Here it might be okay, but other places kicksliders that look like streams can easily mislead ppl because when they are spaced like this, sometimes players can mistake slider-ends for circles, especially when the numbers are covered on streams.
5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening? The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm. Consistency can be boring too. Taking creative liberties with streams is what a lot of people do. Look at stream maps, many of them use different spacings even tho you could argue that the invensity remains the same. The reason is for pattern diversity and expressiveness.
6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand.
7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved. Agreed
8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider? This makes a lot of sense... Why can't it be a slider is the better question.
9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least. Consistent visual, I can agree with.
10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped Agreed
11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place. Agreed. The slider design is unusual. A cleaner slider design can be utilized here.
12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?) Not good to accuse the mapper of running out if ideas or stuff xP. Though polishing up sliders isn't a bad idea.
13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle For that uh, tick on 01:04:081 -
14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix. Maybe its just me, but is there actually a beat here? lol
15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that designMapper probably just wanted to emphasize the held vocal sound here. It's quite common.
16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following. Structure could be improved a bit yes. 3+5 and 2+4 can use the same visual spacing to make it cleaner.
17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up. Eh, quite subjective, but reasonable. I don't think use of different blanket distances necessarily equates to a map looking unpolished though. Consistency doesn't guarantee a polished map.
18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily. Agree, the overlap can be avoided without damaging the pattern.
19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap Agree wit overmap.

There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.

Green: Agree with Xexxar
Red: Disagree, too-subjective.

There is some merit to what Xexxar is saying, though I think when you also map a song, you naturally become more biased towards how a song ought to be mapped, because the way you mapped it will naturally be seen as the "better" way to map. It's why I tend not to critique ppl who gd on my maps too much.

Haven't really taken a look at the higher diff yet, but if you guys are willing to discuss the issues presented without creating more drama, then I can help with the rebubbling process.

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt. too subjective... that's okay from mapper's perspective.
2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency. not so since mapper also skip at 00:02:174 - 00:04:948 - 00:07:723 - . The mapper did it all right as he not only sticks to the so-called consistency but also managed to avoid overdone on pianissimo sound.
3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid I seems to have caught your idea but this is Expert diff
4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent? Not necessary. On one hand, the mapper has already succeeded making the stream consistent since 00:22:549 - is the slider end. On the other hand, the spacing is even 'more' consistent than your idea. Besides, I found no necessity to blame for the 'stream' consistency since 2147483647 maps use the same idea.
5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening? The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm. Apparent crescendo. No one is ever confined to follow only rhythm changes. 1/4 sliders are nice alternative to simply death screams. No one is ever asked to imprisoned in so-called consistency.
6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand. people map streams in different ways and there's no necessity for all of us to reach an agreement here... variety is what makes mapping fun.
7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved. too trivial imo
8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider? ...how come shall it not be a slider? I didn't catch your idea.
9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least. Yeah. dozen pixel downwards may make sense
10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped makes sense
11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place. maybe the mapper'd like to see a flow towards left and back to catch up with the next 3 circles
12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?) well, I find such slider shapes fun, with the first 3/4 rightward and last 1/4 leftward. The forth-back slider utilized here could not only reduce the actual movement player needs to do but also indicate some changes in music. Also, the curved design feels quite in line with the vocal
13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle 01:01:480 - to 01:07:029 - forms a full music phrase. Undoubtedly, a break between phrases is better than a break with the same length within a single phrase, and that's why that's a better choice if you map 01:04:081 - and skip 01:06:856 -
14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix. You might want to grab a new pair of headphones. Or we have met a ppppppppianissimo note
15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that design extended sliders used to be common practices to emphasize something before today's 1/2s for PP. It's normal some people might not know this nowaday.
16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following. Agree. 3,4,5,6 are relatively ugly imo.
17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up. who cares when playing though I'd suggest some adjustment at 01:28:879 (7,2) -
18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily. yeah x=512, y=276 is better.
19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap this is true

There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.

agreement | disagreement
umm some points are not that valid, as consistency is a good thing but not a necessity, let alone this map itself is consistent to some extent...

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt.
   I know and I also have considered this kind of plan as you say. insane and ultra have done this, I do not have to repeat it, it looks boring if 3 difficult diffs are same at the beginning;
   like 00:02:174, yes here is a piano sound, I think that isn't loud enough to add a circle; then about 00:04:948, what? here has sound ?
2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency.
   the same with 00:02:174
3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid
   this you have only half of the truth. if I stop here, how to show the second voice ? blank seems not good. An other spinner? crazy. let auto can OK ? So I choose to cover all.
4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent?
   meaningless question. At the end of this kickslider, I set the same distance with the next stream to let players read and catch easily.
5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening?
   you are right, I'll let this part in the same spacing
   The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm.
6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand.
   The 1/4th slider just used to let players catch where disconnected, and underline the piano, as Sergio's advice.
   You say you are agree with Sergio, at last you don't understand what you agree with him. hmmm...
7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved.
   yes, thx for this pick
8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider?
   I have a new idea at 00:33:387 (1,2,3,4), thx for this pick. I would use short sliders to reflect the drum at 00:33:041, 00:33:214, 00:33:387, 00:33:561
9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least.
   please make clear that we are talking about extra, not hard. 00:34:255 (2) here has a loud piano but 00:34:428 (3,4) are drum, they are different, I need different spacing to let players know.
10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped
    guitar chord always have 4 consecutive tones. listen carefully please
11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place.
    listen carefully please I start this slider at 00:48:994 piano and end at 00:49:515, it has a low volume sound and suitable for the end.
12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?)
    intentionally inconsistent can give me more free composition space. when I need consistent, of cose I will.
    I need 01:00:786 (1,2,3,4) completely overlapping to 00:58:705 (1,2,3,4) , then this song goes in a new part, so I let this slider flow reverse.
13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle
    I know your mean, thx for this pick
14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix.
    you are right. fixed
15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that design
    full of 1/2 too boring, and contrast 01:19:861, the drum here too low to snap. I want to take the vocal here
16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following.
    cluttered? so you need what? everything looks neatly arranged in regular polygons?
    listen carefully on the CADENCE of the rhythms and drums, and how singer singing. maybe you can't understand even if i explained.
17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up.
    Monstrata have point out my opinions
18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily.
    yes, here is my bad. fixed
19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap
    I don't know what your mean of "dis". and I it that this stream has a little over. but I think here is a good place to add a stream nearly the end of this song.

There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.

Thank you for your mod, some of your opinion really good for me but some are not. I have explained my point where and why I disagree with you.
I must point out you behavior makes many mappers hate you. You have a lot of ways to express your point of view but unfortunately, you choose the worst way to makes you look like a messy tiny. Many times you are asking someone else to follow your thoughts. However, no one can be the truth. You can't.
I also can post you some tirades into your maps with my subjective opinion just like what you have done before, say your maps are very ugly. but it never can be helpful. Subjective opinion too subjective would lose its meaning.
Please use reasonable means and respect others' opinions and feelings. This is the bottom line of life.
Unfortunately. Reflect on what you did before. You need to be a qualified person before you be a modder, mapper and BN. Not like a mapping police

Edit:
Thank you Monstrata and 384. I did not see your reply because I was just writing my own reply.

Do note that these people who are trying to improve your map and make you better at what you do are not trying to force you to follow their opinions; they're trying to bring you back to reality. A disagreeing opinion is not an attack, no matter how indignant and offended you get.

The issues with this map are conceptual, not based on each individual note. The map is treading the line of sanity as to what constitutes "the music", for the sake of having long streams and high spacing. I can tell you're trying to be special and make the map emotionally powerful for both the player and any modders. But you can do special without being stupid. This map isn't special, it's stupid. There's a difference.

For example, for 00:22:636 - to 00:33:734 - , both the top diff and kaedaka's use an overmapped stream to help with the buildup, but they both do it in completely irrational ways - imoutosan just has streams with 1/8 sliders put for small breaks with no rhythmic purpose, while kaedaka's stream has 1/8 sliders that seem to be following the chimes but don't always follow them and the stream patterns are completely off?


for kaedaka:

In the stream there, the chime sounds at:

00:24:544 -
00:25:064 -
00:25:411 -
00:25:931 -
00:26:104 -
00:26:624 -
00:26:798 -
00:27:318 -
00:27:492 -
00:28:185 -
and this pattern repeats

like i can tell you want to follow the chime because you do so fairly interestingly at 00:29:399 (7,1,2,1) - , but you literally don't do it every other time when it would actually make the section really cool and actually play pretty well.

This kind of mistake in emphasis and power is scattered all over the map in nearly every difficulty.

The problem here isn't with the map being overmapped. It's that it's being done wrong. And people are trying to help you do it right. They're not telling you to give up on the map entirely. You can fix this and make it great. It just requires itting that help is probably a good idea.

Shiirn wrote: 4dp13

Do note that these people who are trying to improve your map and make you better at what you do are not trying to force you to follow their opinions; they're trying to bring you back to reality. A disagreeing opinion is not an attack, no matter how indignant and offended you get.

The issues with this map are conceptual, not based on each individual note. The map is treading the line of sanity as to what constitutes "the music", for the sake of having long streams and high spacing. I can tell you're trying to be special and make the map emotionally powerful for both the player and any modders. But you can do special without being stupid. This map isn't special, it's stupid. There's a difference.

For example, for 00:22:636 - to 00:33:734 - , both the top diff and kaedaka's use an overmapped stream to help with the buildup, but they both do it in completely irrational ways - imoutosan just has streams with 1/8 sliders put for small breaks with no rhythmic purpose, while kaedaka's stream has 1/8 sliders that seem to be following the chimes but don't always follow them and the stream patterns are completely off?


for kaedaka:

In the stream there, the chime sounds at:

00:24:544 -
00:25:064 -
00:25:411 -
00:25:931 -
00:26:104 -
00:26:624 -
00:26:798 -
00:27:318 -
00:27:492 -
00:28:185 -
and this pattern repeats

like i can tell you want to follow the chime because you do so fairly interestingly at 00:29:399 (7,1,2,1) - , but you literally don't do it every other time when it would actually make the section really cool and actually play pretty well.

This kind of mistake in emphasis and power is scattered all over the map in nearly every difficulty.

The problem here isn't with the map being overmapped. It's that it's being done wrong. And people are trying to help you do it right. They're not telling you to give up on the map entirely. You can fix this and make it great. It just requires itting that help is probably a good idea.

Thank you for your advice, Shiirn.
In my opinion, maybe here is still a subjective. I need more time to think about it.
When I have new idea or changed the mind I will post here.
Too late now at UTC+8. I need sleep.
By the way, I'm not angry with their's mod, but the despicable tricks on dirty way. I never hate anyone, nor angry with anyone. But this time I finally see what kind of person he is.

Edit: For a few days thinking I decided no change. Now this state is the best for me. Thank you everyone.

is this rly ayane?
such different voice lol...

Komore wrote: 2843d

is this rly ayane?
such different voice lol...

I guess it isn't...

its a different ayane. you can tell by the metadata (non romanized)

我越来越喜欢这图了XD
P.S.感觉还是当初开头串塞爆的爽

just few thing

[PinkHeart's Insane]
00:57:838 (4,5) - 這裡有點奇怪a

[Kaedeka's Extra]
00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 比前後的ds都小呢 有原因嗎
00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - same
01:41:798 - 這個音太突出了 要不縮短到 01:41:711 -

[Istoria]
01:22:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - imo 這樣放也挺有趣的 01:22:809 (2,3,4) - 被遮了感覺有點不太舒服

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff

Rizia wrote: 3d2f6d

just few thing

[PinkHeart's Insane]
00:57:838 (4,5) - 這裡有點奇怪a 改了个正常的节奏

[Istoria]
01:22:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - imo 這樣放也挺有趣的 01:22:809 (2,3,4) - 被遮了感覺有點不太舒服 好啊

SPOILER

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff

大爷又神游了 我来改

Rizia wrote: 3d2f6d

just few thing

[Kaedeka's Extra]
00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 比前後的ds都小呢 有原因嗎
00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - same
用了一些花式的不一样的音效音量和间距
01:41:798 - 這個音太突出了 要不縮短到 01:41:711 -
我认为01:41:798这个音足够长到01:41:798

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff

thank you~

Normal.
01:55:931 (1,4) - Stacks are notably off.

Hard.
00:38:243 (2,3) - I see several jump usages done in strong beats of the song but this part of the song felt quite weaker to have a jump concept ed. Using a regular spacing would fit better.

Istoria.
Mind elaborating how this diff name is related with the song?
Why is the hp drain 9? Well it is technically able by a well performed play enough, but I think it is way too harsh in this map especially for the first half. The rhythm density isn't really high which causes a constant drop of the hp. After the break, a continuous stream section including spaced streams appear, and then the rhythm density drops again. Making even a small mistake makes the play instantly fail, and even if the play managed to the stream section barely, the loss of rhythmic density didn't really made me alive.
Great diff.

Will be finishing the mod later on, I'm not done yet.

Sonnyc wrote: 491l5w

Istoria.
Mind elaborating how this diff name is related with the song?
The game's translated name is Istoria of Suisou Ginka. Istoria (as 'history') means the story of the game.
Why is the hp drain 9? Well it is technically able by a well performed play enough, but I think it is way too harsh in this map especially for the first half. The rhythm density isn't really high which causes a constant drop of the hp. After the break, a continuous stream section including spaced streams appear, and then the rhythm density drops again. Making even a small mistake makes the play instantly fail, and even if the play managed to the stream section barely, the loss of rhythmic density didn't really made me alive.
Asked for more tests and changed to 8 now.

fixed stuff in hard diff
thx Sonnyc

Kaedeka's Extra.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:05:989 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:14:312 (1,2,3,4) - Since the song was similar having similar pattern usage was a good thing to see but m can I ask why you've chose different spacing concepts each? Well if it was done for variety, then at least can you consider making the spacing concept of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - to something like 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - ? Having a close spacing there felt a bit less matching the song when the song was kinda getting louder after there. Optional.
2. 00:22:636 - I think the rhythms of this stream section could be improved. Right now, I'm not really sure how each parts are meant to follow the song each part. For example, piano sounds consistently appeared after a 1/4 slider as 00:25:931 (7,1) - 00:27:318 (7,1) - 00:29:399 (7,1) - 00:30:093 (7,1) - 00:30:786 (7,1) - 00:32:174 (7,1) - was done. But the same rhythm choice also appears at 00:23:156 (7,1) - 00:23:850 (7,1) - where the music is having a different feature. This made the rhythm choice for the pianos not really effective as they weren't only used for that particular part of the song. Also keeping the piano beat expressing rhythms in mind, 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - were having slightly different in rhythms while the song was pretty similar with the ones I've mentioned before. So yeah, I think this section could be rhythmically improved since it feels a bit arbitrary right now imo, but if there is something that I didn't saw your point, please let me know.
3. 01:03:561 - Missing whistle.

so let me know when stuffs are all addressed.

Sonnyc wrote: 491l5w

Kaedeka's Extra.

1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:05:989 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:14:312 (1,2,3,4) - Since the song was similar having similar pattern usage was a good thing to see but m can I ask why you've chose different spacing concepts each? Well if it was done for variety, then at least can you consider making the spacing concept of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - to something like 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - ? Having a close spacing there felt a bit less matching the song when the song was kinda getting louder after there. Optional. changed the spacing and volume arrange of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - .
2. 00:22:636 - I think the rhythms of this stream section could be improved. Right now, I'm not really sure how each parts are meant to follow the song each part. For example, piano sounds consistently appeared after a 1/4 slider as 00:25:931 (7,1) - 00:27:318 (7,1) - 00:29:399 (7,1) - 00:30:093 (7,1) - 00:30:786 (7,1) - 00:32:174 (7,1) - was done. But the same rhythm choice also appears at 00:23:156 (7,1) - 00:23:850 (7,1) - where the music is having a different feature. This made the rhythm choice for the pianos not really effective as they weren't only used for that particular part of the song. Also keeping the piano beat expressing rhythms in mind, 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - were having slightly different in rhythms while the song was pretty similar with the ones I've mentioned before. So yeah, I think this section could be rhythmically improved since it feels a bit arbitrary right now imo, but if there is something that I didn't saw your point, please let me know.
   changed some rhythms like 00:28:705 (7) - or 00:31:480 (7) - to follow the piano better. However kept the short slider in 00:23:850 (15,1) - to control the overall difficulty. As for difference of 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - , these streams are placed with slightly increasing spacing to show the tone. Rhythm differences are shown by NCs and hitsound so I think this is addressed.
3. 01:03:561 - Missing whistle. added

so let me know when stuffs are all addressed.

Kaedaka got busy with his work irl so he let me to fix his diff. Guess it looks fine now.

Nominated.

ty sonnyc
(also ty koiyuki and smallboat for earlier icons)
<3

qualified

in reply to whoever
no its not too hard :<

Not hard to maybe.
Sorry. still too hard to .

/me eat popcorn

the intro stream cant be overspaced if the rest of the map is also overspaced with it, then it's just proportional :v

:v

Not sure how viable this is but guys this mp3 is pretty bad, it is way to loud it clearly is louder than most the songs in my osu! lemme show you what I mean
with a bit of normalization it would be loads better! Also the last diff on this thing is legit silly it is pure pp fodder actually never mind that it is just overmapped to hell and doesn't even remotely fit the music so maybe rethink putting it in the set maybe have it as a only idk this is qualified so someone had to think this was a good idea. Just makes little sense to me to see legit clustercore maps going through for the same reason some maps are held back. If you go with the audio change and I really hope you do here is a normalized version of your mp3 http://puu.sh/waNPk/7ce60aa26d.mp3
currently:


What it should look like:

ztrot wrote: 1s6e

Not sure how viable this is but guys this mp3 is pretty bad, it is way to loud it clearly is louder than most the songs in my osu! lemme show you what I mean
with a bit of normalization it would be loads better! Also the last diff on this thing is legit silly it is pure pp fodder and doesn't even remotely fit the music so maybe rethink putting it in the set maybe have it as a only idk this is qualified so someone had to think this was a good idea. Just makes little sense to me to see legit cluster pp core maps going through for the same reason some maps are held back.

The last diff is not pp fodder at all since most players can't even it...
And added another version of osz with your mp3 to creator words. Thanks for help!

mp3 is fine. otherwise hundreds of ranked mp3s proceed by me have the same problem.

wd

Hey, I had a look at your highest diff and find some of the decisiond you made questionable regarding readability and the song.

00:30:960 (1) - How do you justify the spaced streams starting at this point? I see that you want to express the buildup but still, this is such a calm section and I could argue that personally to me this is one of the hardest spikes in the map.
01:33:561 (2,3,4) - This triple is barely audible in the music, why would you space it that much. I'd go for a really low spacing actually to reflect the music here.
01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - This comes without proper introduction as it's the first 1/6 rhythm in the map and looks visually exactly the same as your other spaced 1/8 streams and triples which makes it very surprising when first encountered. I'd recommend you to use another spacing for 1/3 or introduce it properly with a slider first.
01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - What happened here? Even though this is introduced by a 1/6 slider, this is nowhere close to intuitive as 01:48:416 (3) - is weirdly hiddden under 1 and 2,4 are closer to eachother. You never made a pattern like this before and suddenly expect people to be able to read it? I'd just go for normal spacing as the song doesn't even do something that special there.
01:51:596 (2,1) - Very small 1/2 spacing after giant jumps and a spaced triple following isn't a good idea here, I'd say. You had all this spaced 1/3 and giant jumps before which could make this easily misunderstandable. Also, I still don't get why you'd space it as giant.
01:53:850 (2,3,4,1) - And now we are switching back to 1/3 jump shenanigans? Basically the same as before, this comes out of nowhere and is extremely misleading.

Also due to your gigantic buildup jumps I dislike how some of the more important beats get less emphasis than some less important notes.
Moreover to be completely honest with you, I feel like this map was only made to be difficult without keeping the music and playability in mind at some points.

Mao wrote: d2n2w

Hey, I had a look at your highest diff and find some of the decisiond you made questionable regarding readability and the song.

00:30:960 (1) - How do you justify the spaced streams starting at this point? I see that you want to express the buildup but still, this is such a calm section and I could argue that personally to me this is one of the hardest spikes in the map.
As you said, to treat this part as a calm section or not is quite subjective. In reference to the instrumental version (puush can't work here now, not sure if you can access to this link) and the video, it's quite clear that the composer intended to make this part as one of the intense part like the climax imo, even though this part has no vocals.
Besides the feeling of difficulty can varies from person to person due to their different skills. As you can see from the replays on leaderboard, this stream part is not that hard (compared with the jumps) to a number of players with 4kpp or even less.

01:33:561 (2,3,4) - This triple is barely audible in the music, why would you space it that much. I'd go for a really low spacing actually to reflect the music here.
Emmmm...Maybe we had different Equalizer settings? The inserted track of drums (from 01:33:387 - to 01:34:775 - , not only 01:33:387 - and 01:34:081 - ) sounds really loud to me (yeah, including this triple) that I feel this whole track should be emphasized rather than several single sounds here. According to this composer's habit, a newly inserted track always means an big increase of song intensity. It's quite reasonable that I used spaced triple and big jumps to emphasize the new track here.

01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - This comes without proper introduction as it's the first 1/6 rhythm in the map and looks visually exactly the same as your other spaced 1/8 streams and triples which makes it very surprising when first encountered. I'd recommend you to use another spacing for 1/3 or introduce it properly with a slider first.
This pattern plays pretty well as it created a deceleration between two jump parts to show the changes of the song here. Although it is harder to read to a certain extent, players can still tell the difference of rhythm from the song itself and from the combo color (if they disabled beatmap skin, it's themselves that have to take the risk of losing some readability). Also this rhythm will become really easy to read after the first play. I don't think it's necessary to give up this nice pattern to make the map easy to read in everyone's first try.
And again, as you can see from the leaderboard, for most player's with ability to play this map, it's not difficult to notice this 1/6 rhythm here. AR 9.3 actually made this pattern looks even not similar as 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - , not to mention the spaced streams. From a player's view, this pattern is also fine to me.

01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - What happened here? Even though this is introduced by a 1/6 slider, this is nowhere close to intuitive as 01:48:416 (3) - is weirdly hiddden under 1 and 2,4 are closer to eachother. You never made a pattern like this before and suddenly expect people to be able to read it? I'd just go for normal spacing as the song doesn't even do something that special there.
This part is intenser than former kiai (could tell from the instrumental version). In this case this pattern gives a intenser rhythm to show the rhythm changes and reduced the spacing to express the lowered tone at the same time. As for playability, 3 is just partly overlapped by 1 and it's totally readable to most players. There is difficulty to read the 1/6 rhythm, bus as you said, this pattern is introduced by a slider and it's not first time of this rhythm show up. In this case this pattern is still readable and fun to play unless the player can't do that single tap himself.

01:51:596 (2,1) - Very small 1/2 spacing after giant jumps and a spaced triple following isn't a good idea here, I'd say. You had all this spaced 1/3 and giant jumps before which could make this easily misunderstandable. Also, I still don't get why you'd space it as giant.
This is smaller than some other jumps but not "very small". The spaced triple is intended to emphasize the rhythm,
and again, 1/3 and 1/4 triple looks not similar under ar9.3. Even if a player can't really tell the difference, he could tell the rhythm in his second or third try. It's not necessary to make a map MUST be readable in the first play.

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1) - And now we are switching back to 1/3 jump shenanigans? Basically the same as before, this comes out of nowhere and is extremely misleading.
Same to 01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - . Additional difficulty was intended to be set here to express this part as the most intense part. It's subjective that someone may not view this part as the most intense one, but it's definitely intense.
I have to say that from most players' views there are no misleading information in 1/3 back and force patterns. If someone really think it's unreadable and extremely difficult that can't reflect the song, it's because he is not good at playing high bpm patterns himself, rather than the pattern itself.

Also due to your gigantic buildup jumps I dislike how some of the more important beats get less emphasis than some less important notes.
Moreover to be completely honest with you, I feel like this map was only made to be difficult without keeping the music and playability in mind at some points.
This really makes me sad I had never thought of mapping for difficulty. Although I didn't use those common playable and easy-reading patterns, that doesn't means I paid no attention to the map's playability or readability. Just in the contrary, I took more effort in this map than others to ensure every pattern in this diff be playable and reasonable to most players. I understand there may be a basic disagreement with our idea of arranging the elements in a map ---- to choose something to emphasize, or how to emphasize something from the song. But these are subjective disagreements. Both your and my idea can work well as far as I can tell.

UndeadCapulet wrote: 1t2uc

in reply to ztrot and Mao
no its not too hard :<

I don't think the concern here is difficulty, but rather interpretation. Making sure a map is properly interpreting notes in relation to itself is one of the primary jobs of a modder and mapper.

With that being said, I agree with Mao's points and would like to give this map some more time for discussion/debate on those points. I have someone's graduation to attend today but I'll try to hop in here as soon as I'm free to help with suggestions and changes, as well.

map discussion 👀

things brought up before:
after playing the top diff multiple times and checking it in editor I actually think the streams are quite fine
they match the intensity part overall and aren't even that difficult in comparison to the map as a whole

increasing (and also overall) spacing on 00:30:960 - seems fine to me as the whole part is pretty much consistently increasing pressure on the player with increasing spacing, which I think is a nice concept here

the only thing that bothered me a bit was the movement on 00:32:781 (6,7,1,2) - the transition just felt much harsher than the others, making it a bit painful to snap to the highest spacing stream in the whole part
I think you could rotate the whole stream a bit, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/pMc2Jujb.jpg ?

01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - might be a bit harder to sightread, but it makes perfect sense with the music. using a repeat here would be much less representative. I don't think the lower sightreadabiltity, especially on what you might call a rather "high-end" difficulty (filled with big jumps and spaced streams), should be seen as an issue, but rather a design choice.

01:48:301 (2,3,4) - actually kinda agree with mao here, but not cause of readabilty, but because the high spacing 1/6 jumps seems so sudden and the intensity overall seems quite similar to your lower spaced 1/6 stuff, so I think this could be reduced. compare to 01:53:850 (2,3,4) - which makes sense cause it seems more intense overall with the strings

01:51:596 (2,1) - didn't seem misleading at all to me and fits pretty well? the difference between such timing gaps is easy enough to read by ar alone

01:53:850 (2,3,4) - as stated above, spacing itself makes sense to me, though I think the back and forth patterning for this is a bit harsh here and seems like a weird choice movement emphasis wise, how about moving (2) to do something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/0NUzn38H.jpg or similar?


tl;dr: stream spacing things make sense to me. readability is fine (and not everything has to be simple and intuitive) but I think some of the 1/6 patterns could be changed a bit placement wise
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other points:
01:30:960 (2) - rhythm here seemed a bit unfitting to me as you suddenly have everything (vocals, string, drums) on the slidertail and barely anything on head?. something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/pdJoKard.jpg might be nice?

minor things, but 01:44:833 (1) - shape stood out in a strange way compared to your other visuals, I think something more curvy would work better
also 01:56:971 (1) - stacking this on 01:55:757 (2) - instead would be cute



hs suggestion: how about replacing drum-hitwhistle with the default soft-whistle so you can put it on the piano sounds you emphasized in the stream part?

Reply to Mao's post is finished. If there's anything that I need to do in the requalification progress, please tell me.
Currently what I know I can do is just waiting for discussion from unknown people until an unknown date. That's not really pleasing, right?

DQ is done too easily. I saw same one before in Karia's map, quite uncomfortable at this.

Actually I think difficulty is fine in this map.
1. 00:30:960 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same with imoutosan, song gave.

2. 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - I could hear obviously and tension is super high, so looks cool for me tho

3. 01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - yea 01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - we 01:42:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - have 01:47:954 (1) - so many introductions. + white NC. At point he gave so many stuffs for readability, we can't say more about it. It's the highest extra, for pro players like 1k or higher. Reading is also ability, isn't it? What's more important here is how this pattern is well blended with song, which i think it's nicely done.

but just fixing looks ez for reQF sad thing

I have already given up easy qualification after my 3rd map lol
Now I just want to show that there are much more methods to make quality maps, not only those common patterns...

Oh, and rank 1k is a little too high for the diff imo. I thought players around 5k would enjoy it more.

DQ is always done that easily from long time ago lol

Hi I think the offset is a bit early, I would say if you moved them 20-25ms forward it would sound better.

Map is really cool though, good luck!

LMT wrote: 59u14

Hi I think the offset is a bit early, I would say if you moved them 20-25ms forward it would sound better.

Map is really cool though, good luck!

Fixed and updated. Thanks for help!

Lasse wrote: 4y3p20

map discussion 👀

things brought up before:

the only thing that bothered me a bit was the movement on 00:32:781 (6,7,1,2) - the transition just felt much harsher than the others, making it a bit painful to snap to the highest spacing stream in the whole part
I think you could rotate the whole stream a bit, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/pMc2Jujb.jpg ?
Personally I prefer make the former transition softer... Current placement is easier for mouse players to catch the stream though.

01:48:301 (2,3,4) - actually kinda agree with mao here, but not cause of readabilty, but because the high spacing 1/6 jumps seems so sudden and the intensity overall seems quite similar to your lower spaced 1/6 stuff, so I think this could be reduced. compare to 01:53:850 (2,3,4) - which makes sense cause it seems more intense overall with the strings
01:53:850 (2,3,4) - as stated above, spacing itself makes sense to me, though I think the back and forth patterning for this is a bit harsh here and seems like a weird choice movement emphasis wise, how about moving (2) to do something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/0NUzn38H.jpg or similar?
Reduced these spacings a bit. Changed the second pattern's placement.

other points:
01:30:960 (2) - rhythm here seemed a bit unfitting to me as you suddenly have everything (vocals, string, drums) on the slidertail and barely anything on head?. something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/pdJoKard.jpg might be nice?
Changed to similar rhythm like 01:25:426 (2,3,1,2,3) - since they have same double-downbeat rhythm.

minor things, but 01:44:833 (1) - shape stood out in a strange way compared to your other visuals, I think something more curvy would work better
Yeah it was intended to be straight to make it stand out here... Curvy shapes seems too simple imo

also 01:56:971 (1) - stacking this on 01:55:757 (2) - instead would be cute
Fixed and adjusted this pattern a bit.


hs suggestion: how about replacing drum-hitwhistle with the default soft-whistle so you can put it on the piano sounds you emphasized in the stream part?
ummmm sounds nice, but I still prefer emphasizing drums here.

alright I think 9 days should be enough to let people voice their opinion..

seems like you didn't adjust the custom break snapping at 00:19:876 - on some diffs when you changed offset, check start and end of the break on diffs that use it

misure's diff and normal should probably use more fitting combo colors instead of the ones from pinkheart's diff, since the bgs are different


should be fine to bubble after this, considering the set got dq'd because of the top diff and things have been discussed

I forgot it again orz
Fixed and updated with new combo colors in lower diffs.

bubbled

p/5871131 first bubble was before bn split, so it can also be qualified by t1

by lasse's request, and ofc my own volition

[istoria]
00:25:079 (1) - this change felt a bit lacking in impact. since things like 00:24:038 (1,1) - came with sharp angle changes, this one isn't as distinguished. you could create a bigger angle change here to differentiate this part a bit? since 00:24:992 (6,1,2) - still feels like part of 00:24:732 (3,4,5,6,1) - section

00:27:853 (5) - didn't see a reason for this angle change either, normally it's placed on a sound in the song but here seems kind of random?

00:55:079 (7) - feels kinda useless as a note, there's nothing here really and the part is quite calm so filler rhythm is not that useful imo (if you implement this, you did it one time earlier on the same pattern. so change that too? 00:46:755 (4) - )

01:25:946 (2,3) - ctrl g here could be better to follow the vocal? since 01:24:905 (1,2,1) - etc are following vocals too, could be nice to follow it here

01:40:339 (1,2) - this jump itself played awkwardly to me. due to the visual dissimilarity to 01:38:778 (1) - i personally could not read it as a 1/8th jump; if you think it's an issue, you could simply bend the slider a bit more to look like the other one, since it's a similar slider then it would be more expected.

01:50:397 (1,2) - didn't really see use of kicksliders on drums before - why here?

01:54:385 (2) - well, i could tell why it's so big, but even then imo since there is not a big sound at this place having it as a similar spacing to 01:55:079 (4,5,1) - felt a bit too big to me - https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8382290 is my suggestion here.
[xtra]
00:49:009 (6) - missing nc?

01:26:119 (5) - imo deleting this and replacing 01:25:946 (4) - with a slider would work better, due to the lack of vocal on 01:26:119 -

01:35:657 (4,5,1) - considering there was never a stacking slider pattern before, this felt pretty unexpected. how about unstacking it to make it similar with other patterns in the map?

[insane]
01:26:119 (5,1) - blanket? to prove i looked at the diff
[normal]
00:21:264 - rip custom break?

00:30:281 (5,1) - an overlap of this size might be a bit hard to see - maybe bring the 1 out from under 5 a bit?

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Thank you Lasse ＆Nao, but my PC boomed before and the new have not already, so all handed over to imouto.

I always have to fix others' maps

Naotoshi wrote: 2v95j

by lasse's request, and ofc my own volition

[istoria]
00:27:853 (5) - didn't see a reason for this angle change either, normally it's placed on a sound in the song but here seems kind of random? This plays similar as an oval stream. However oval looks not fit so I made a slight angle here.

00:55:079 (7) - feels kinda useless as a note, there's nothing here really and the part is quite calm so filler rhythm is not that useful imo (if you implement this, you did it one time earlier on the same pattern. so change that too? 00:46:755 (4) - ) 00:46:755 (4) - catch a vocal there, so remove it will make that part a little weird. In this case, keep 00:55:079 (7) - for consistency feels better imo.

01:25:946 (2,3) - ctrl g here could be better to follow the vocal? since 01:24:905 (1,2,1) - etc are following vocals too, could be nice to follow it here Well, actually not that nice imo... Since mostly I followed drum in kiai, which is opposite to rhythms with syncopation, skipping this redline feels awkward.

01:50:397 (1,2) - didn't really see use of kicksliders on drums before - why here? 01:50:570 (1) - is intended to emphasize the string. Changed the former one to a circle.

[normal]
00:21:264 - rip custom break? Yeah, because of ar5.5 default break is shorter than custom.

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No reply = fixed. Thanks for help!

qualified

changed some really minor stuff.

cant wait to see success rate

!! gratz

wb

ty to all 6 bns that have helped push this forward <3

gratz!!

regratz!

UndeadCapulet wrote: 1t2uc

wb

ty to all 6 bns that have helped push this forward <3

yw

ok. thank you all now!