Lanturn wrote: 5e1w6j

we're all cute little sheep now.

Sheeple

New page image, guys!

Demba Ba is my Hero ♥
Come back to please ;w;

Kurokami wrote: 3j5016

Now we practically need to hunt BAs in a long topic to find their posts.

Nwolf wrote: 2x5s6v

Kurokami wrote: 3j5016

Now we practically need to hunt BAs in a long topic to find their posts.

That isn't hard to read, honestly. Or to look over it.

what about post edition when replying to a mod or comparing uwu

Andrea wrote: ev47

Anyway, if you want to know which people are in the BAT group after the color change, it's quite easy, just check here.

This is still valid since the group didn't change

Inyuschan wrote: 27712

Rip red name >:

BeatofIke wrote: 68633

Rip color. You will be missed for eternity

Coloured osu!staff: "BAs should have black nickname!"
Black BAs: "BAs should have coloured nickname!"

RIP colour, not really that I care about it, but now this feel like a factory where hard workers don't get rewards, just like real life

Kurokami wrote: 3j5016

Now we practically need to hunt BAs in a long topic to find their posts.

also ^

Natsu wrote: 1f6re

but now this feel like a factory where hard workers don't get rewards

People now will be a lot less motivated to become a BA.

Kyubey wrote: 2e2u31

Natsu wrote: 1f6re

but now this feel like a factory where hard workers don't get rewards

People now will be a lot less motivated to become a BA.

Yup!

Kyubey wrote: 2e2u31

People now will be a lot less motivated to become a BA.

Doesn't matter, once its automated everyone with a certain score becomes a "BA" anyway c:

Actually I think a lot of BA is already a lot less motivated. We are working hard to give new maps to players, sometimes this means more than 3 check for consistency (not speaking about hitsounds) and the reward is nothing. We are mod a lot, then get BA title and need to mod a lot more. This is more like a system for slaves. I wonder what will happen to the community if we all stop modding even for a month. o.o

Edit: Answering to Lust, yeah, and there will be a tons of shit map ranked because of that.

Lust wrote: 6b1j1z

Kyubey wrote: 2e2u31

People now will be a lot less motivated to become a BA.

Doesn't matter, once its automated everyone with a certain score becomes a "BA" anyway c:

that sounds like a ¨slave system¨, just joking xD...

Kurokami wrote: 3j5016

We are mod a lot, then get BA title and need to mod a lot more. This is more like a system for slaves. I wonder what will happen to the community if we all stop modding even for a month. o.o

Reminds me all this busy and tired shit, don't mod if you can't get fun from this. No one is forcing you.

lol

RIP red color

Kurokami wrote: 3j5016

Edit: Answering to Lust, yeah, and there will be a tons of shit map ranked because of that.

Not if the QAT has anything to do with it

Kyubey wrote: 2e2u31

Natsu wrote: 1f6re

but now this feel like a factory where hard workers don't get rewards

People now will be a lot less motivated to become a BA.

So people want to be BAT just so they could have a colored name?

MMzz wrote: 2g46e

Kyubey wrote: 2e2u31

People now will be a lot less motivated to become a BA.

So people want to be BAT just so they could have a colored name?

is not that everyone want, but was a kind of reward for your contribution tho, is like when you buy er you get some benefits, you know is a way to keep people motivated to continue their contribution.

Damn, it's gone.

Sieg wrote: 6nb42

don't mod if you can't get fun from this. No one is forcing you.

It was fun, till the new system came. Now I need to mod to barely keep myself above the surface because of shit kudosu based scores. This is not fun anymore, this is just kudosu hunting.

Natsu wrote: 1f6re

MMzz wrote: 2g46e

So people want to be BAT just so they could have a colored name?

is not that everyone want, but was a kind of reward for your contribution tho, is like when you buy er you get some benefits, you know is a way to keep people motivated to continue their contribution.

Excuse me if I sound harsh but then 'these' BA member are completely wrong here. A become to a Beatmap Appreciator to help other mapper. If you've aimed to be orange on the website and being called as "BAT" then I really would think twice what are you exactly doing here.

I am glad to be one because I could help some mapper getting their maps qualified/bubbled and to improve them. I really don't care if I get IS because I messed up something or because a map became disqualified due a different mode. It's more a nuisance for me when something becomes disqualified since it means more work for the mapper (to get again two BAs for the map) and because of THIS reason I try to avoid disqualifications. not because a score tells me not to do this.

probably some more

BAs are not supposed to be asked to mod beatmaps. They are free to pick up Beatmaps with potential or with bubbles. As well, you still can use https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/g/28 to have a view about all Beatmap Appreciators.

@Kurokami: The System you are blaming gave every single one of you the possibility to be a BAT, which some might never have been if the old system would be still in charge. Also, it gave you the possibillity to rank as much as you want without any real requierments, where in the old System most of the new bats might have already failed ( not saying it would be like that, but the past has proven us otherwise ). It gives BA the freedom to do whatever they want, which wasn't the case back then. That doesn't sound to me like beeing a slave.

Yes, I might be not the right person to say that since I still have that 'beloved' redname, but I suppose you guys are here because you want to help either your friends, the community or yourself in having more ranked and fun maps. For that you really don't need a red name if you ask me. Yes, some points which has been mentioned might be valid one and yes, this might scratch a bit on the motivation of some people. But again: No one forces you to mod. We expect you to be here because you like to help people and have fun doing so.

Please do not understand me wrong Kurokami. Even though I the removal of the red-names from system-side, I also find it a bit questionable from.... is it said humanity-side? I don't know. But I think at this point we have to draw a line and think about what is more important to every single one of us:

And a side note: Nothing changed except the color and name. How comes you are suddenly https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/g/28

@Ono You misunderstood something a little. I said "slaves" because of the score system not because of the red name. Color has nothing to do with this. Getting positive amount of score for a non standard mode modder is really hard, it requires at least 10 mod and 2 icon set in each months for ~20 point. This system is also not taking real life into . Anyway, drop this.

@Stefan I can help mappers even w/o this title by just throw a mod on their map. We are not became a BA just to help peoples, we earned it with "hard" work for hours. You are a saint if you only rank maps to bring happiness only to others. Don't misunderstand me, I'm happy to be able to help, but I can do that even without this "fancy" title.

But we can say whatever we want, no one listen to us since we are just a normal s, not belongs to the beloved staff. But in reality, without us the whole system will fall apart. Anyway, drop this topic as well.

I wondered, since Loctav said they are looking into alternative rewards what can they be. Colors are obviously not, title already given, what else remained? Probably nothing except er which not really a good choice imo. So if the old BAT was worked for nothing, then we literary just here to bubble/rank/give some work to QATs.

in the end we just some recognition for what we do i guess lol.

but i guess it's not really special anymore cuz theres so many BAs now.

Most of the s had already known that BATs were already has been in the position of a slave since the QAT-BAT devision happened (which QATs got everything), but it was the "RED COLOR" that made the non-staff BATs kept working and not complaining as themselves as a slave (at least publically). The name color means nothing, but it at least functioned as a strong reward.

Also the system is surely allowing BAs to mod whatever ammount they wish, but is that really something healthy to the community? There are always complains from mappers that catching BATs (BAs) is a really hard stuff, and this moddingv2beta was intended to make the beatmap ranking progress less complexed than before as long as I know. But if all BAs do only the minimum activity per month (which is conducting 4 mods and placing 3 bubble or qualify marks), will that really benefit the community, or can even supply the needs from the mappers of osu!? If one really thinks a lot for the community, then shouldn't it be right to be himself a modding slave, and provide mods for several mappers to enlarge this community for the future of osu!? Under whatever steps the BAs got selected, BAs are in a responsible position deciding whether to nominate beatmaps or not, and what the majority of BAs are claiming the so-called depressed "motivation" is actually a motivation for "responsibility" because without that, most of the BAs won't feel the wish to contribute here. Providing mods to benefit the mapping community because they like to do it and because they have fun doing it is also an important aspect, but what should go over this should be the "responsibility" that they are actually contributing this community (which the current system is highly restricting).

It was fun at least

You are still misunderstanding a lot. Being a BA is not super exclusive, it just requires a decent activity across 3 months. For being an active modder, you get rewarded with additional abilities you are free to use where and however you want. If you just rank and bubble stuff from people on your friend list, okay, do it. Since getting a BA is open to everyone who is willed to mod other maps, there is no mapper that can put the blame in the BA for finding no one to get their stuff ranked. Surely, you have to socialize a bit, but you are not dependant on a bunch of randomly chosen people.

If you see this BA thing as super highly exclusive and special and highly responsible, then well, I don't know why. Why is it exclusive to be in a club everyone can enter? Staying in this club is also not very difficult. Whoever says it does not consider real life still didn't understand a single thing.
Sure we appreciate your contributions, but you still take this stuff way too serious.
You want to be rewarded for getting rewards.
If you consider this entire reward (the sole ability to nominate) as reason to be rewarded, you are being misplaced here.
We may consider rewarding the ones who maintained to contribute as BA for a long time in a very good fashion. But getting the rewards solely for ing this club is contradictional and overdone.

Loctav wrote: 5b1v22

If you see this BA thing as super highly exclusive and special and highly responsible, then well, I don't know why. Why is it exclusive to be in a club everyone can enter?

Maybe the misunderstood of mine was caused from the red color as you diagnosed, and since things have changed, I'll change my attitude too.

Loctav wrote: 5b1v22

there is no mapper that can put the blame in the BA for finding no one to get their stuff ranked.

Where you live? Because not on Earth and not in this dimension is sure. If not BA then they blame the staff (QATs especially) and this is the reality.

If you see this BA thing as super highly exclusive and special and highly responsible, then well, I don't know why. Why is it exclusive to be in a club everyone can enter? Staying in this club is also not very difficult.

It is responsible, not exclusive but responsible. QATs are only checking them, they have to do nothing if the map/mapset is good. We need to make sure at the time of nomination that the mapset is really ready. Sure, we are not staff but giving high quality maps to the community is still the responsibility of us.

Whoever says it does not consider real life still didn't understand a single thing.

I can say the same to you. You have to do nothing to keep your status alive but for us (mainly non standard BAs) to remain in the "team" is very hard. Sure, its easy to say its only 2 mod and 3 icon, but when you are actually taking a look at the sets its really hard to find one which deserves icon. I can go around and mod more but that basically gives almost nothing (~30 point in the last month). Me, and I think most mode specific BA is in the same position. The modders are simply not enough to raise the quality and it takes long time to do it for us. We can suggest more modder but what, all modder already modded it and still nothing. Just tell me, how am I supposed to give icons in these situations?

Anyway, we should drop the whole conversation as it leads to nowhere. Things won't change from throwing rocks back and forth.

Kurokami wrote: 3j5016

Loctav wrote: 5b1v22

there is no mapper that can put the blame in the BA for finding no one to get their stuff ranked.

Where you live? Because not on Earth and not in this dimension is sure. If not BA then they blame the staff (QATs especially) and this is the reality.

Worth quoting.

osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/forum/p/how_to_set_an_icon

Sure, they are free to blame you, but we all know that this isn't true. You just need to refuse to take that blame.
A single QAT is having like a exorbitantly higher work load than a single BA. You are underestimating what the QAT is doing. The actual responsibility lies on the QAT, not on you. You are only responsible for yourself and your actions - and actually only responsible for what you bubble or qualify. And if it fails, you just get a score penalty, which you can even compensate. The system is VERY forgiving compared to the past.

You have wrong illusions on how the BAT used to be when they were staff . The blaming and stress load was way higher than you have currently - and the way of promotion and maintainance was unlimited arbitrary.

You want rewards for being a Beatmap Appreciator? Reward yourself! Why do you accept 15 to 20 mod requests without taking something in return from the requesters? Do Mod 4 Mod! Push your own maps forward, in case you have some, by offering your services. Is that bad? No! Because everyone can get a BA and earn this benefits from doing such kind of offers.
Or, to train the mappers to mod more, how about you establish modding queues where the requesters must file 3 mods on other mapsets before they can request a mod to you? You make the requesters return something to the community before seeking for your mod. And if you run out of something to mod, use #modreqs.
You do not have to accept every request. You are no slaves or servants. Sure, your task is to qualify beatmaps, but while you have this task, it is a benefit over others, who can not simply do that. Why do you not simply make use of that for yourself? It is totally allowed.

Earning 30 points for month and staying in a positive value is totally fine. Why would you climb the BA-ladder if you are not even interested in doing something more for it? For those, who just want to mod less but sufficient, we do not judge anyone who is just doing the bare minimum. You stay a BA. You have the abilities. You can drain the full advantage out of them.

There are people in the top ranks of the BA who simply like to mod more. That's up to them. Why do you feel unfairly treated if those, who do more, get more points? They don't even get a cake for that right now.

You call the modders bad? Why? Everyone needs to learn. You complain about the lack of quality in the previous mods, but no one actually forces you to do in-depth mods, as well. How you shall give icons? Pop bubbles, instead, maybe? Revise the beatmap roughly before accepting the mod request?
I understand that, for example in CtB, the situation is more difficult because of the lack of actual good beatmaps and that you run out of beatmaps to icon because basically ALL are sorta bad. But this is difficult to circumvent and treat from our side, as well. Every BA can mod everything. I could suggest you to get used to another game mode, but this is also quite meh. I wish, I could offer a solution here.

We expected everyone to abuse the shit out of the new system, since it is so much tempting. And, surprisingly, it is even allowed and sorta wanted. It just saddens me that you rather cry about lacking of rewards, when you have the ACTUAL reward and massive advantage above others in the mapping community - and you simply don't exploit the hell out of it - because of weird idealism.

Posting here on behalf of CXu
This was sent like 12 hours ago, new things may be added to topic at hand.

CXu wrote: 344051

No, people aren't a BA/BAT because they only want a red name, but they want at least some recognition for their hard work from the community.
That recognition came from the red name; makes them incredibly easy to spot, and is a kind of proof that they are indeed
doing something good. Yes, the title is there, but you're still saying they're just "normal" s. The problem is that most
"normal" s don't contribute as much as what a lot of the current BATs are doing for the community, and just bunching them all together
feels like an insult more than anything, at least in my opinion.

The other thing is the obvious problem of actually finding BA's. They're not supposed to be asked to mod maps? I'm sorry, but you ask people if they can mod things, that's how things work. Like it or not, in almost all cases, if you don't ask, your map will not get ranked. For any new mapper, it's going to be incredibly hard to identify BA's from the crowd of all other modders, when they feel their map is ready. And having to go to Settings->groups to find the BA list is more complicated than necessary.

While having the same color as QATs is probably not a good idea, another color would help newer mappers as well as giving the BA's some recognition for what they do. If a color isn't possible, what about a bold name or something like that?
Obviously, making groups easier to find will help as well.

As for the BA rankings. I'll just say I don't really like the idea of it for various reasons.

The entire statement by CXu is resolving around trying to tell me that the BAT is not what it was in the old system.
Yes, the old BATs had a higher value, but it was also incredibly difficult to them. All I read from the statement is "I didnt realize that we did not downgrade the team. I did not notice that the original BAT was entirely disbanded and two new teams were formed. I did not understand, that the old BAT has nothing to do with the new BAT. I did not understand that the sole ability advantage is the reward from being active."

I tried my best to make you understand that you guys are too used to the old system and need to understand that we did an entire overhaul. You shall not compare yourself to the old BATs. Aaaaand, the only one who are allowed to feel downgraded are the oldBATs that shifted over to the new system. I am honest here, these are the only ones who were stripped from things. But everyone in here, who posted in this thread, was not part of that.

Even most BAs weren't part of the demotion, it's hard to deny that the previous beta system made them "imagine" as if they were part of the old ones. How the people think is as important as what the actual facts are. In the same manner, BAs aren't "slaves" or "servants" as you revealed, but the cognition that the BAs are having doesn't likely to accord with the fact. Changing this false perception would be the key towards moddingv2, but removing the BA name color as a means for that was just stengthening that perception among BAs since the decision only approaches as taking away the last thing what the BATs had got. Well the story is just cycling again and again.

Anyways I understand the decision was prudently made after an internal discussion, and is a nice approach that normal s will have less psychological difficulty in ing BAs since BAs are now practically nothing more than a normal who can place icons. Still please do note once more that this system can truely go further when that false cognition that I've mentioned above can be removed. If the time will be the cure, let it be, but the maintenance of this system is pretty doubtful this way.

Hello,

since I've received such a question already and it might be confusing for the people who do not follow what happens in this forum actively, I decided to make this post in order to raise some attention to a possible issue.

So what i wondered about was: "Why did you name us BA?". I think it's valid to actually raise that as a question as it is really really close to the old term "BAT". I understand that you want to remove the team aspect because - really - we have not been acting nor operating nor tying to operate as a team for the past 6 months. But I still think that the term "BAT" has been stuck in too many people's heads for too long and gives off the wrong impression because it was used when starting the moddingv2 project while meaning something completely different than it may have meant back then.

Now we are called "BA" and the first question i have received some hours ago by one of my friends "What's changed from moving to BAT to BA" and i had to answer "nothing, we still do the same thing as we did for the past ~6 months after the BAT was discontinued" - "Wait weren't you BAT?" - and from that point on i had to actually explain the system changes etc.

My point is the new term is dangerously close to the old one, if you want to draw a clear line about what we are and what we aren't I think it's a nice step to remove the color to stop people from mistaking us as staff - which we clearly aren't nor are trying to be. If you were trying to draw a more clear line you, or we - i don't really care - should come up with some other name for this group in order to draw a more clear line between the mysterious new term Beatmap Appreciators and the old nonexistent Beatmap Appreciation Team in order to avoid confusion amongst the base which does not follow the activities here.

TL;DR: If you would reconsider the name choice for us, giving us a different - yet to be determined - group name, it would be easily possible to avoid confusion about the differences between BA and BAT.

I hope my reasoning here is clear enough to understand how this could become an issue, or how this already is an issue.

Okoratu wrote: ct57

My point is the new term is dangerously close to the old one

Yes, this is a good point since the actual term of the group name wasn't changed except a removal of a "Team". Leaving the group name as the current way would likely to fail fulfilling the original purpose of the rename: "to move away from old legacy and to make clear, that the Beatmap Appreciators are nowhere what the old BAT used to be".

"Beatmap Nominators" will be a good option enough considering Loctav has used the term "nomitate" on the first post and some s were ing for that name, but if there is a need for a more drastic rename, then it should be decided by the staffs instead of getting more random suggestions...

mfw everyone complains about losing just the redname.

I find the concept good itself, but I find the execution a bit harsh, even a poop coloured name would be cool to have, to make it easier to identify ourselves when looking at a beatmap thread (while the real modding v2 arrives). And I don't find the "Beatmap Appreciator" title very fitting or looking good, "Beatmap Qualifier/Nominator" would've been more fitting in this case.

Personally, I don't really care about having a red, purple, brown, rainbow coloured name, we (some) still have the same abilities as before, it is the mapper who wants their map ranked, so they should make a minimal effort to look for any of us; But again, some kind of visual distinction would be cool, for the blind people.

What makes me happy is that BAT applications are back, instead of nominations like before, you'd know why.

Well, if you have suggestions for a better name, let me hear them. It's not the problem to change that, I guess. I am not very happy with Nominator, it sounds a bit like you are only nomination machines.

"Beatmap Broker" is what a came up with considering we send maps to the qualified section which is in the middle of pending and ranked.

Maybe others can bring up a better option though,,

Static Noise Bird wrote: p5k4c

Beatmap Qualifier
Beatmap Manager
Beatmap Supervisor
Beatmap Ranking Group
Beatmap Qualification Group
Beatmap Management Group
Beatmap Supervision Group

just my two (seven) cents

Loctav wrote: 5b1v22

Well, if you have suggestions for a better name, let me hear them. It's not the problem to change that, I guess. I am not very happy with Nominator, it sounds a bit like you are only nomination machines.

Well... it is what we are tasked with doing for the most part. When I suggested Beatmap Nominator/Approver people seemed pretty for it, so I suppose it should be fine.

I like that Beatmap Qualification Group.

Lust wrote: 6b1j1z

Loctav wrote: 5b1v22

Well, if you have suggestions for a better name, let me hear them. It's not the problem to change that, I guess. I am not very happy with Nominator, it sounds a bit like you are only nomination machines.

Well... it is what we are tasked with doing for the most part. When I suggested Beatmap Nominator/Approver people seemed pretty for it, so I suppose it should be fine.

Will Beatmap Appreciators have the option to nominate their own beatmaps?

If not, please read my proposal enclosed below:

The question regarding the objectivity of looking own's one beatmap could be raised, but as there is a final assurance from the QATs, and considering the notion of the bet/payment system, the suggestion from CloudSplash does seems valid enough in my point of view.

CloudSplash16 wrote: 30503m

Will Beatmap Appreciators have the option to nominate their own beatmaps?

If not, please read my proposal enclosed below:

SPOILER

I believe that BAs should be entitled to nominate their own beatmaps for ranking.

Considering this as a payment/betting system, this is the same as betting on any other beatmap, as it carries the same risk. Since the ability of BA is to nominate maps, it makes sense that they should be allowed to nominate any beatmap that they deem ready for ranking. If the map is truly ready for ranking, then the BA should not be held back from nominating it, even if it is his/her own beatmap. The way the system is designed, maps that are not ready will simply be rejected and the BA will be penalized as in any other case, so it cannot be exploited.

For example:

Let's say BA1 is a BA, who creates a map, and after a few mods, decides it is ready for ranking. So, he/she nominates the map, receives the nomination of another BA, and if both BAs made the correct judgement, then the map gets ranked safely. This is ideal.

Let's say BA2 is a BA, who creates a poor map, and nominates it to get it ranked as fast as possible. So, he/she nominates the map. If other BAs find that the map is not of sufficient quality, then the map will not get qualified until it is actually ready. If another BA makes a poor judgement and gives the map a second nomination, then the map will be disqualified by the QAT, and both BAs will be penalized for their poor judgement.

Now, consider the same two cases, but where the map is not created by the BA. Then the same penalties apply, and there is essentially no difference in the events. The system will take care of any attempts to exploit the privilege.

Thus, I believe there should be no distinction between one's own maps and other mappers' maps when it comes to nominations.

Additionally, I believe this would make the reward of nomination ability satisfactory for BAs, and continue to encourage mappers and modders to strive for this title.

Thank you for your time.

I've always thought that nominating one's own map was a conflict of interest but the way you put it makes a lot of sense.

Sonnyc wrote: 491l5w

"Beatmap Broker" is what a came up with considering we send maps to the qualified section which is in the middle of pending and ranked.

Maybe others can bring up a better option though,,

Static Noise Bird wrote: p5k4c

Beatmap Qualifier
Beatmap Manager
Beatmap Supervisor
Beatmap Ranking Group
Beatmap Qualification Group
Beatmap Management Group
Beatmap Supervision Group

just my two (seven) cents

Even when I don't see the problem behind Beatmap Appreciator, if needed I'd suggest picking Beatmap Qualification Group.

CloudSplash16 wrote: 30503m

Will Beatmap Appreciators have the option to nominate their own beatmaps?

Idea is that deeming a map ready for rank is a subjective matter, and in short you can't be objective when judging your own work.

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

Idea is that deeming a map ready for rank is a subjective matter, and in short you can't be objective when judging your own work.

In that case, BA will simply be penalized for his/her poor judgement, as would be the same if he/she nominated someone else's map which was not ready. I don't see why this should be any different, considering how the new system is designed.

I don't see this happening. If you feel your map is ready, what's the problem with poking some people? I'm sure if any BA looks at it and it's ready, said BA wouldn't hesitate to push it forward.

looking at one's own work critically trying to improve it further before bubbling etc is barely possible
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but other question do we like get a poll on this bord in order to decide on a name or will the staff just pick one and see how it goes...?

I'd be for collecting a few ideas which seem to have potential and open a poll with them or something (assuming only BA can vote in this forum)

democracy, yay

I don't see this happening either. It would contradict at some degree what the whole system is actually aiming for: A community driven modding. If I can nominate my maps, what I need you for(beside the second BA)? Beside that, it can be abused by getting attention for your own map: Not sure about some parts and don't get mods? Let's bubble it to get some attention!

This probably won't go anywhere.

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

CloudSplash16 wrote: 30503m

Will Beatmap Appreciators have the option to nominate their own beatmaps?

Idea is that deeming a map ready for rank is a subjective matter, and in short you can't be objective when judging your own work.

yeah... ill have to agree with this. it's impossible to look at your own map objectively :X. Thats like saying you write a novel and you edit it yourself and you go publish it. lol doesn't work like that.

as for name.. i'd say Beatmap Qualification Group works nicely

you may not nominate your own work is naturally isn't it?

ps : BQ reminds me BBQ > >

anyway it's not a bad name.

BBQ Group sounds great.

Experienced Beatmap Assistant (EBA) :>

Actually to be able to nominate your own work is not a bad idea as a reward but the penalty should be doubled if disqualification happen. That is to avoid purely made beatmaps nominated faster than they should be. Getting a two other BA in standard mode is works just fine, but when you look at other game modes, its sometimes impossible to get 2 other for example after a dq or if one (two) of them decided to quit. So I think it can be allowed with doubled penalty.

As for the name, I dunno. We never worked as a Team we probably never work as a Group either. But if something i would like to choose one of these:

The others just sounds a bit weird from Sonnyc's post.

Kurokami wrote: 3j5016

Beatmap Management Group

«Management» sounds like we can do anything we want with maps (deleting/unranking/etc), so this one won't work.

Experienced Beatmapper Association (me runs

Elite modding group XD

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

Experienced Beatmap Assistant (EBA) :>

I'm quite agree with this one.

Reminds me of Elite Beat Agents

Following one russian slang this abbreviation is kinda rude/offensive word, loooool

Aka wrote: 4x111f

Following one russian slang this abbreviation is kinda rude/offensive word, loooool

I didn't know that to be honest.

KURAI PLEASE XD

!report Kurai russian in #beatmapmanagement

By the way, how about taking some of those fancy titles and making a voting? I wonder if it even possible to make a voting that can be used only by BAs... Or we can just make a temporal thread where everyone will post these titles they like more, and then just count which title has more votes.

How about:

osu! Modding Group
Modding Group
osu! Beatmap Modder
Beatmap Modder
Beatmap Qualifier

idk, those just came to mind.

EBA yuzuki
lol

Elite Modder B)

Elite modder makes us look like we're better modders than the others, since the is based on activity and not on how well you mod then that's... out of the question imo.

Sakura wrote: 2th19

Elite modder makes us look like we're better modders than the others, since the is based on activity and not on how well you mod then that's... out of the question imo.

Elite -> Ebullient

Dedicated Modders? lol

NEET Modder
Beatmap Qualification Group sounds good imo

I think the most annoying part about this change is not the fact that BAs lost their color/etc (although now it's really annoying to try and find them on friends list/and in threads) but more than I'm starting to see that BAs are now literally going on strike because of this

like seriously are you kidding me

I just want maps ranked pls don't do this

I think that everyone would prefer the return of the color instead of another name title o.o

Secretpipe wrote: n6k

I think that everyone would prefer the return of the color instead of another name title o.o

I udnerstand that, but the thing has already done. Then there is no point in returning to the colored name in my opinion.



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I'd like to vote for Beatmap Nominator if possible.
This may be just me, but considering BATs were known as modders who have the power to move pending maps to the bubble/qualified phase, I think "Beatmap Nominator" doesn't give players the impression that they are just nomination machines.
Also, "Nominate" is one of familiar words for Japanese speakers. I think it helps us a lot. I have no idea what is the implication of "Nominator" though.

[ S a k u r a ] wrote: m231c

NEET Modder
Beatmap Qualification Group sounds good imo

^If I need to choose another one

Secretpipe wrote: n6k

I think that everyone would prefer the return of the color instead of another name title o.o

I don't care what color, just any color

I think Beatmap Nominator Group (BNG) sounds good at the least for me, about the color if it's possible I'd like to suggest use pink maybe? since it's quite similar to red imo, of course, just in case that you're still looking for one.

Chances are, we are not getting any color back.
Also, osu!dev has pink color already.

I did suggested MAT color earlier /runs

Gero wrote: 6fc2k

I think Beatmap Nominator Group (BNG) sounds good at the least for me, about the color if it's possible I'd like to suggest use pink maybe? since it's quite similar to red imo, of course, just in case that you're still looking for one.

The colour is not really the issue here. Any lighter shade of orange/red than the current QAT's would do its job perfectly. What you have to understand is that having a colour is irrelevant to what the BAs now are — normal s. Otherwise, what could be done to give them more visibility is to give their modding posts some kind of special frame and making the group page more accessible (when you don't know where it is I'd assume it's a pain to find it).

Special frame like peppy has? That would be nice imo. Not blue and red but any other color can be used. But maybe normal s can think something higher . o.o And even I don't know where is the group's page though I'm lurking here for years. I saved it to my bookmarks but that not the best way to handle it.

BNG sounds good. I will ask some of a higher position if they agree and then I most likely will change it. Sorry for the inconveniences, but if majority of you is okay with this name change,I doubt there will anybody being against it.

RIP BQG.

So the profile tag wil be Beatmap Nominator or Beatmap Nominator Group? (the "Group" sounds rather superfluous)

I find "to nominate" a beatmap would rather goes to bubbled beatmaps. Like "I find this beatmap seems pretty good enough and I nominate it to get a heart soon." -> Bubble

While Beatmap Qualification Group would define a bunch of s which qualifies Beatmaps. Very compact and easily to understand imo.

Kurai wrote: 4o3o

So the profile tag wil be Beatmap Nominator or Beatmap Nominator Group? (the "Group" sounds rather superfluous)

Logically Beatmap Nominator because every GMT member isn't called as "Global Moderation Team" but "Global ".

We nominate beatmaps for ranking through qualifying though

I found more suitable using "Group" on our name because it fits to us since we're a big community of modders on the BA so I see no problem to use that at the first place, anyways we have to wait to get more opinions about this.

Nomination > Nominator.

The word flows through the tongue better.

"Beatmap Nomination Group"

Nominating refers to bubble and heart.

well, as long "Group" doesn't stays in the title - because it looks ridiculous bad - I am fine however we should be called from now.

I respect your opinion about that but how about to wait for some BAs before saying something like "it looks ridiculous bad"

Even if we don't work as team, we are still a «Group» of people that can qualify maps, why can't we have title that says we are part of that group?

Gero wrote: 6fc2k

I respect your opinion about that but how about to wait for some BAs before saying something like "it looks ridiculous bad"

It's my opinion.

Kyubey wrote: 2e2u31

Even if we don't work as team, we are still a «Group» of people that can qualify maps, why can't we have title that says we are part of that group?

So you're getting called as "Beatmap Nomination Group". Or previously "Yeah, <> is a Beatmap Appreciation/Approval Team."
You get what I mean? Of course the group would contain the word "group" inside but you as single person would've still been called as Nominatior. And not nomination group. maybe I am extremely picky about this but I find it's more logically.

*cough* Quality Assurance Team *cough*

On the other hand I think the same as Stefan (surprisingly). Having "group" in the title sounds really awkward imo.

Well, there wasn't a problem to have Team before, as BAT or GMT, so I don't see anything strange with these titles, but seems like majority is against.

What is new with a different group/team name ?
We have same privileges, stop being so obstinate guys...

IMO, "Beatmap Appreciator" is fine enough.