Reposting that. Also wouldn't it be more interesting to have the full results ? I suppose everyone wonders how many votes their maps got.Shiro wrote: 47b
None of my maps made it top 100 as expected. I'm still curious to know how many votes they had. Would it be possible to have that information ?
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my thoughts exactlyhaha5957 wrote: 6b3t31
Map insane stuff (=we have 8+ nhyperinsane maps in top30) then boom there goes your best of 2012
I do understand ppl who votes for gangnam style. but honestly why the bigblack fd? can even ppl it?
especially freedom dive, not even 10 ppl in this game can it nonemod. I'm not saying that the map is bad but i just cant understand.
ppl votes for something that they cant even play and call it a best of 2012. great job guys
Shiro wrote: 47b
Reposting that. Also wouldn't it be more interesting to have the full results ? I suppose everyone wonders how many votes their maps got.Shiro wrote: 47b
None of my maps made it top 100 as expected. I'm still curious to know how many votes they had. Would it be possible to have that information ?
I agree but I got two maps in the top 100 so I'm pretty damn happy
I think if Gangnam Style was just inelligible, the list would have been 50% better. That said, the rest is mostly anime and "lmao super hart" stuff.BrokenArrow wrote: 4h5gl
Yes because being #16 in a ranking where Gangnam Style is #1 definitly says something about the mapping quality
Bangarang is a good, fun map (LC's guest is good) but I was pulling for it because I was involved. Plus, I kind of like Skrillex :p
But I understand where you're coming from. There's not much we can do about these people voting for their "favorite song" instead of favorite map. Even last year it was kind of like that. Neu and Gold Dust were really fucking epic songs that happened to have some of the best maps on them. It's just this year, there is no songs like this, but instead, lots of vocaloid/dubstep/anime/youtube shit.
If you could not have expected this top 10 list when you were voting, then you should have been prepared to be disappointed.
so happy that Utatabigarasu got in XD my favorite map in osu! XDNatsumeRin wrote: 2v6x1m
Thanks for the guys who ed Utatabigarasu and Tenshinranman High Collar Hime.
I'd try harder in 2013 w.
Mercurial
This.Norbi wrote: 552y
I kind of expected this, and there's no map in the top 100 from the 10 I voted for.
There're some epic mappers (Shiro, Shiirn are some examples) who didn't get their maps in the 100th list (Except for Chain Destruction, but I'm pretty sure it was by Miku).
Really disapointed.
Wow really
who the hell voted those maps
this game is full of .. asdfasdf
*trauma*
also only a few of us voted based on the map itself
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who the hell voted those maps
this game is full of .. asdfasdf
*trauma*
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this is actually a perfect idea... newbie guys just vote for the songs lolTshemmp wrote: 32b38
Well, it might be unfair towards newer of the community (better call them playerbase) but I think one shouldn't be allowed to vote unless one has decent experience about maps (that means a specific playcount).
Edit: or maybe give more experienced more weigth on their votes.
I predicted that most of the list was going to be approved maps....
It was phrased wrongly IMO. This list described people's favorite maps in osu. Favorite maps != best maps in general. If we're trying to avoid popularity contest and song bias, it's hard to judge the best songs in osu from which songs we've enjoyed the most, because song choice does play a large role in the enjoyment one has in playing the map.
It would have been more accurate if there was different categories. We could them split overall favorite songs in one category and then have a different category for best technical maps (as in gameplay), and best customized. Also this was obviously biased towards a certain mode. It would be obvious that people from other modes would favor the approved maps, because they provide a greater challenge. If we're going for a more fair rating, there would be a category for best technical, and best all around mapset (mapset that overall was highest quality, restriction - must contain full ranked set to count).
P.S. no I didn't vote for gangnam style. I change my vote long ago.
It was phrased wrongly IMO. This list described people's favorite maps in osu. Favorite maps != best maps in general. If we're trying to avoid popularity contest and song bias, it's hard to judge the best songs in osu from which songs we've enjoyed the most, because song choice does play a large role in the enjoyment one has in playing the map.
It would have been more accurate if there was different categories. We could them split overall favorite songs in one category and then have a different category for best technical maps (as in gameplay), and best customized. Also this was obviously biased towards a certain mode. It would be obvious that people from other modes would favor the approved maps, because they provide a greater challenge. If we're going for a more fair rating, there would be a category for best technical, and best all around mapset (mapset that overall was highest quality, restriction - must contain full ranked set to count).
P.S. no I didn't vote for gangnam style. I change my vote long ago.
a lot of people are buttmad because their favorite HOLYSHIT500BPMSOFUCKINGHARDCORE map didn't get #1, I knew it would happen l0l.yeahyeahyeahhh wrote: 1u2fm
Lol I mapped it cause I liked the song not so it can win best of 2012. Happy30 and I mapped it just for fun.how the fuck was I supposed to know it was going to become so popular? I guess I'm psychic.chaotic_iak wrote: 47659
FREEDOM DiVE gets the second place. Mostly because it's a hell map? (Considering Scarlet Rose and Mythologia's End are tying for third, this makes sense.)
So most votes fall to popular songs and/or hell maps. A good look at osu!'s demographics.
Congrats for the mapper of Gangnam Style for seizing the opportunity of, well, making the Gangnam Style beatmap so it can win Best of 2012.
Some of you guys are taking this shit wayyyyyyy too personally .
Grats to all mappers of 2012, some great maps I enjoyed this year, looking forward to some good maps this year as well.
congrats bro
list is a joke anyways, maps like worldenddominator and AugoEidEs getting ed by shitty TVsized maps
btw I voted Gangnam Style for the madz, and I don't think there's anything bad about the map itself
uhmm i think you should re-read everything, we are mad because the best mapped stuff didn't even get a nice ranking. And the HOLYSHIT500BPMSOFUCKINGHARDCORE that you talk about actually made it really high.Glass wrote: 29556d
a lot of people are buttmad because their favorite HOLYSHIT500BPMSOFUCKINGHARDCORE map didn't get #1, I knew it would happen l0l
congrats bro
btw I voted Gangnam Style for the madz, and I don't think there's anything bad about the map itself
dat logic
no, most of you are mad because GS got #1.Snepif wrote: 5o5wu
uhmm i think you should re-read everything, we are mad because the best mapped stuff didn't even get a nice ranking. And the HOLYSHIT500BPMSOFUCKINGHARDCORE that you talk about actually made it really high.
dat logic
also, talk about logic when you actually know what that word means thx.
and are you actually surprised that some bad maps got onto the list? These are the criteria on which a lot of people vote for their "favorites":
1. How popular is the song
2. How popular is the anime
3. How much they jerk themselves when they watch the top players play the map
^ this guy gets it.haha5957 wrote: 6b3t31
Map insane stuff (=we have 8+ nhyperinsane maps in top30) then boom there goes your best of 2012
I do understand ppl who votes for gangnam style. but honestly why the bigblack fd? can even ppl it?
especially freedom dive, not even 10 ppl in this game can it nonemod. I'm not saying that the map is bad but i just cant understand.
ppl votes for something that they cant even play and call it a best of 2012. great job guys
me mappers, I accept bribesTshemmp wrote: 32b38
Well, it might be unfair towards newer of the community (better call them playerbase) but I think one shouldn't be allowed to vote unless one has decent experience about maps (that means a specific playcount).
Edit: or maybe give more experienced more weigth on their votes.
Mercurial
This list is really just a popularity contest, since everyone has an equally weighted vote regardless of if you've only played 2 maps last year or every single one, someone should try reranking these by taking the # of votes divided by the number of plays each mapset has, that may produce a slightly more accurate "best of" list.
I mean, it's no suprise Gangnam Style won, it was the most played map by a landslide this year.
I mean, it's no suprise Gangnam Style won, it was the most played map by a landslide this year.
Wow guys, please take your negative attitudes away from this thread. This is not a competition. It is a study of what osu! players as an overall group enjoyed the most. Every person has their own method of enjoyment. This is the best – not favourite – of osu! in 2012. Let this be a reminder that not every player out there plays osu! for no-background-no-skin-320x240-tablet-SS-or-nothing-super-serious-600bpm-stream-maps-all-day-every-day. A lot of people play for enjoyment and casually play songs for enjoyment, and get this enjoyment from the songs they voted for. If you cannot accept this, then just turn a blind eye to these threads rather than complaining about the process or results.
I will lock the thread soon if there's no further constructive conversation happening
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I will lock the thread soon if there's no further constructive conversation happening
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Just saying.peppy wrote: 73101g
It's that time of year again, where we round up the beatmaps crafted over the last 12 months and turn to you guys to find out which were the most loved maps! It's been a busy year, with 1,446 maps ranked in total, so make sure to think carefully before choo to ten of your favourite creations. to vote based on the mapping, not the song itself!
http://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/p/bestof2012
Anyways, best does not mean most enjoyable IMO. I voted for a song that I didn't even play that much simply because it was high quality. Most of my selection was songs that I personally enjoyed even if they were not the most technical. I'm surprised He's a Pirate made it on the list at all. I was wholly surprised to see so many people agree with me on that.
What was an even bigger surprised is that Rainbow dash likes girls made the list. If we're talking about best maps, and most enjoyable maps, that song has nothing but hate for it in the comments, and it's so awkward to play. I don't understand why people find those kind of maps enjoyable. If someone who voted for it, would post, and give me a reason why they voted for it, I am very curious to know the mindset behind voting for such a stress-inducing map, that is just spamming overly difficult patterns in areas.
love.peppy wrote: 73101g
not every player out there plays osu! for no-background-no-skin-320x240-tablet-SS-or-nothing-super-serious-600bpm-stream-maps-all-day-every-day
But yeah, bitter feelings as usual (for every kind of chart anyway) because none of my maps have made it in, gg will try harder next time
Mercurial
Just compare Best of 2011 with Best of 2012. I am not surprised about Gangnam Style but many other maps on the list.Zarerion wrote: 6z4f1h
I'm honestly surprised about the reactions.
I mean, the results were obvious to begin with, why are you guys so shocked?
I think it has something to do with the link from the osu! main menu to the voting. The attention of many new players was called this way. Players who didn't really play enough maps to get decent experience for judging map quality.
It's hilarious to see how many butthurt people there are in this thread. Who are any of you to say that gangnam style shouldn't be on the top of the list? osu! has nearly 1.8mil s, there's tons of casual players that probably loves that map and voted for it, and sure the fact that it is a popular song helps it, but so what? Just because it isn't your favorite map doesn't mean it shouldn't be on that list, get over yourselves.
I was hoping to see here this map http://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/s/42669 .
Highly disapointed.
Highly disapointed.
Of course Gangnam Style won.
No shocker there.
I'm really suprised none of ztrot's maps ranked higher.
I feel as though a certain map should'nt have even been in the count, despite the fact that it was ranked in 2012. Kind of obvious as to why it got that raink.
Well, regardless of what map ranked highest, I am proud of all the creators that made the top 100, and to those that didn't, the best of luck to you this year.
No shocker there.
I'm really suprised none of ztrot's maps ranked higher.
I feel as though a certain map should'nt have even been in the count, despite the fact that it was ranked in 2012. Kind of obvious as to why it got that raink.
Well, regardless of what map ranked highest, I am proud of all the creators that made the top 100, and to those that didn't, the best of luck to you this year.
I don't see the problem of casual players voting, quite the opposite really. It's just that we can see distinct trends in the elected maps (those that LKs explained) and that those trends really don't fit with those that did not vote for them.
In my own personal opinion, I feel like we've got for a big part the list of "maps that can only be played by the best" instead of a list of the "best maps".
In my own personal opinion, I feel like we've got for a big part the list of "maps that can only be played by the best" instead of a list of the "best maps".
What I don't get is how The Big Black got so high. Most "pro players" probably don't like the map all that much (this is based on nothing btw, so do prove me wrong), and I'm not sure, but to a lot of people actually enjoy the song at all?
Then The Big Black must've been voted by not-so-pro-players that didn't vote it for the song but for the map, so basically it does fit the criteria of voting based on map and not song, but I do feel it got so high is mostly due to the sheer difficulty of the map, and not because they enjoy the map itself (I mean, how many people that voted on it can actually the map, lol)
Ahhh well, whatever.
Then The Big Black must've been voted by not-so-pro-players that didn't vote it for the song but for the map, so basically it does fit the criteria of voting based on map and not song, but I do feel it got so high is mostly due to the sheer difficulty of the map, and not because they enjoy the map itself (I mean, how many people that voted on it can actually the map, lol)
Ahhh well, whatever.
what.Mercurial wrote: 4y4y4t
There should be a rule to ban the vote map unless you have 5.000 playcount or 1 map ranked.
It's stupid I know, but I'm pretty sure of most people who voted here are newbies at all.
Also, I can't Dragons and I voted for it
Why? I find it enjoyable even if I can't SS HD HR. It is fun even playing with nofail on.
Same for The Big Black.
Hur durr WHO CARES if we can't ? I voted for the taiko diff and because I really enjoy ~trying~ to play this map with relax or even halftime.
No one needs to the map to actually enjoy it and YES, IMO it deserves to be one of the "Best of 2012" because it is something new that changed our view of "Insane maps", just like Freedom Dive.
Didn't vote for Freedom Dive but I would.
The map is very well structured, the only problem is the BPM
Another diff is pretty enjoyable btw.
Meh.
People can still enjoy with nofailCXu wrote: 344051
What I don't get is how The Big Black got so high. Most "pro players" probably don't like the map all that much (this is based on nothing btw, so do prove me wrong), and I'm not sure, but to a lot of people actually enjoy the song at all?
Then The Big Black must've been voted by not-so-pro-players that didn't vote it for the song but for the map, so basically it does fit the criteria of voting based on map and not song, but I do feel it got so high is mostly due to the sheer difficulty of the map, and not because they enjoy the map itself (I mean, how many people that voted on it can actually the map, lol)
Ahhh well, whatever.
I'll repost this too. Some of my votes were for maps that aren't in this list but seemed to be really well-received, and it would be interesting to see how they fared.Shiro wrote: 47b
Reposting that. Also wouldn't it be more interesting to have the full results ? I suppose everyone wonders how many votes their maps got.Shiro wrote: 47b
None of my maps made it top 100 as expected. I'm still curious to know how many votes they had. Would it be possible to have that information ?
It's kind of cool seeing "unexpected"/"disappointing" things get places... it shows us a bit about the opinions of the people who aren't so active in the community. Not that anyone didn't expect all the approved hardmaps to rank high.
You realize that the majority of the most voted maps are the exact opposite of what you said here (i can only recognise the big black, freedom dive and val0108 maps, but i'm sure there's more), right? Because, by this statement, it seems you don't.peppy wrote: 73101g
Let this be a reminder that not every player out there plays osu! for no-background-no-skin-320x240-tablet-SS-or-nothing-super-serious-600bpm-stream-maps-all-day-every-day. A lot of people play for enjoyment and casually play songs for enjoyment, and get this enjoyment from the songs they voted for.
I also believe this (as well as every public-voting-based chart) should be named "Most popular of 20xx" because that's basically what happens. Not saying it's a bad thing, but a wrong name is misleading for the s.
This statement also backs the "Most popular" factor, as what the majority likes is undoubtly the most popular, which is not necessarily the best (as it is usually a subjective thing).peppy wrote: 73101g
It is a study of what osu! players as an overall group enjoyed the most. Every person has their own method of enjoyment.
He made it so that players can now make the BG solid black via ingame methods, along with ditching the custom combo colors, skins, SBs, etc. So he probably does understand that that audience is there.Card N'FoRcE wrote: 4x4d4p
You realize that the majority of the most voted maps are the exact opposite of what you said here (i can only recognise the big black, freedom dive and val0108 maps, but i'm sure there's more)? Because, by this statement, it seems you don't.
However, what he said is still likely correct. Those super hardcore players are still a (very sizable) minority. When there can be over 8K players on at once and only several thousand players overall (at best) can reliably FC at least 90% of Insanes, well... that says a lot.
peppy wrote: 73101g
You guys have spoken and the results are finally in! Personally I was hoping something to overtake Gangnam Style style for #1, but it held strong with a 66% lead in votes over FREEDOM DiVE at #2.
Not that I mind the song Gangnam Style, but in my opinion there are definately better maps out there than that.
We don't really have "approved" category in 2013, so no need to do something against app maps. But as someone mentioned before:
Could we limit the vote to "you must have ed that map once"(even with no fail) or whatever? Sorry to take Big Black as example, people don't vote for the song for sure, they vote for the map ---- to be extremely hard. I don't think that's what we wants to see.
Could we limit the vote to "you must have ed that map once"(even with no fail) or whatever? Sorry to take Big Black as example, people don't vote for the song for sure, they vote for the map ---- to be extremely hard. I don't think that's what we wants to see.
"Map n was only voted so high because of m."
You can continue to use this as an excuse for it beating the maps you thought deserved higher, or you can take this on board in a constructive way, and understand that this is what people want. It doesn't matter if it is what you want or not, but people are clicking that vote button because they either saw (keep in mind a lot of people spectate a fair amount) or played the map and enjoyed what they saw. There is a huge range of players and skill levels on osu!, and the only thing these results says to me is that we need to cater to all of them. It also allows us to ask questions like: How high would big black have been if it had more difficulties?
It's great to do this once a year and see how things have changed. I see no reason to separate certain categories of maps or people. If you would like to do that, please run your own private voting booths (google forms actually makes this pretty easy these days!).
With that, I will be locking this thread from any further discussion. Thanks to everyone who participated in voting!
You can continue to use this as an excuse for it beating the maps you thought deserved higher, or you can take this on board in a constructive way, and understand that this is what people want. It doesn't matter if it is what you want or not, but people are clicking that vote button because they either saw (keep in mind a lot of people spectate a fair amount) or played the map and enjoyed what they saw. There is a huge range of players and skill levels on osu!, and the only thing these results says to me is that we need to cater to all of them. It also allows us to ask questions like: How high would big black have been if it had more difficulties?
It's great to do this once a year and see how things have changed. I see no reason to separate certain categories of maps or people. If you would like to do that, please run your own private voting booths (google forms actually makes this pretty easy these days!).
With that, I will be locking this thread from any further discussion. Thanks to everyone who participated in voting!