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Ayane - Azurite no Hitsugi 365o30

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Fushimi Rio
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Fushimi Rio
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年6月19日 at 22:08:09

Artist: Ayane
Title: Azurite no Hitsugi
Source: 水葬銀貨のイストリア
Tags: suisouginka めと meto metomate uguisukagura ウグイスカグラ visual novel eroge PinkHeart KaedekaShizuru Misure
BPM: 86.5
Filesize: 21082kb
Play Time: 01:59
Difficulties Available:
  1. Istoria (6 stars, 445 notes)
  2. Kaedeka's Extra (5.31 stars, 453 notes)
  3. Misure's Hard (3.13 stars, 283 notes)
  4. Normal (1.88 stars, 162 notes)
  5. PinkHeart's Insane (4.38 stars, 365 notes)
: Ayane - Azurite no Hitsugi
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Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Notice: White combo = 1/3 rhythm (260 bpm singletaps)
Dark PHOENIX's 1pc FC
Extra by KaedekaShizuru
Insane by PinkHeart
Hard by Misure

maps of ウグイスカグラ songs
4th ed
Last edited by Fushimi Rio , edited 174 times in total.
Akiyama Mizuki
2,710 posts
ed March 2009
azerite
sodarose
607 posts
ed July 2011
[Istoria]
我从hp9里看出你对难图的别有用心以及人间世道的险恶
00:34:438 (1,1) - 这里可以stack，还能避免00:35:825 (1,1) - 他俩撞一起
00:39:814 (1,2) - 个人不是很喜欢这种排列
00:47:617 (1,4) - 没叠好啊
01:27:328 (1,1,2,3) - 看起来各种难受
01:22:993 (3) - 结尾的音效听不出来，感觉用Normal-hit更好
01:39:640 (1,2,3,1) - 不知道这里错开是不是故意的，但是感觉错的间距不对
难度分布太不均匀了，打起来难受

[PinkHeart's Insane]
01:21:952 (5) - 结尾的音效听不出来，感觉用Normal-hit更好

[Normal]
00:29:582 (3) - 间距是不是错了

检查下tags是否一致
Ryuusei Aika
Elite Mapper
1,125 posts
ed January 2016
from queue
上边说的tag啥的我就不说了

Normal
01:46:923 (2) - 这里改成个1/2会比较好吧

Pinkheart
00:27:328 (7,8,1,2) - 这里弄俩（或者一个也行）1/4吧，你之前和之后的钢琴声都用了这种1/4滑条的
00:38:253 (5,6,7) - 拉开点？这块和00:39:293 (1,2,3,4) - 差别蛮大的，都缩那一块感觉有点怪
00:50:218 (9) - 滑条尾弄clickable吧
01:50:565 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 个人感觉这串不是很必要啊，这里是很明显的1/2

Istoria
HP9太凶残了
01:21:952 (4) - 这nc一下比较好吧
01:25:594 (3,1,2,3) - 这感觉怪怪的，01:25:767 (1) - 这里声调比较高，感觉和前后间距大点比较好吧，比如这样：
~
01:33:571 (2,3,4) - 我的天哪.jpg
01:48:311 (2,3,4) - ^
01:33:918 (1) - 这不需要nc吧
01:37:559 (1) - ctrl+J再稍微移一下位置感觉会比较顺
01:50:739 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 同Insane你们怎么都map上这块了我有点慌
这难度太疯了

gl :D
Last edited by Ryuusei Aika , edited 1 time in total.
_Yiiiii
475 posts
ed February 2015
来辣
前几天看见的时候还想塞个gd呢...没想到insane那块已经塞满了...QAQ

Istoria
  1. 00:21:952 (1) - 1/12拍之后就接串，感觉有点坑，这里已经相当于260bpm的1/4了，建议少一个reverse
  2. 00:36:345 (2,1) - 这里间距可以再大一点，否则较于这里00:35:999 (2,1) - 就有点小了。
  3. 01:30:623 (1,2) - 这个间距不合适吧？之前这么大也就1/4拍。
  4. 01:54:207 (1,1) - 这个怎么读都是1/6的...你可以试试把这个换成1/8的滑条，这样会好读一些，否则这下节奏变化就太突然了。
Kaedeka's Extra
  1. 00:21:952 (1) - 这个snap和主难度统一一下。
  2. 00:24:727 (1) - 这里这个串拐地有点难看...
PinkHeart's Insane
  • 这个难度的话...感觉就是很套路的那种，本身没什么问题，不过就是在这个spread上好像不太合适，串太长了，而且有些让新人砸键盘的滑条遮挡，比如01:37:559 (1,1) - 01:00:103 (6,1) - 等等，所以我建议 @一抹多 再加个送分的insane来补spread，如果你也觉得需要的话我可以来做一个。顺便这个难度的看起来像blanket的基本都能再包得更好一点。
Misure's Hard
  1. 00:17:097 (1,3) - 感觉这么搭配贼难看啊orz 把下面的撸直吧。
  2. 01:03:571 (3,1) - ^
  3. kiai段DS感觉有点没规律... 比如你在这里01:25:421 (2,3) - 给snare的音加了间距，这里01:36:519 (2,3) - 却没，大白线的滑条与前一个note也是，建议统一一下。
Normal
  1. 00:03:224 (1,2) - blanket
  2. 01:44:149 (3,4) - 条后俩圈不太推荐，试试换一个节奏吧。
lol
[Kamiya]
637 posts
ed November 2012
先射了 之后摸
Misure
953 posts
ed September 2012
@红云：其实我感觉都还好...姑且改了下 最后一个是有道理 但是不太好改 本来是因为后面那组前面已经有一个不是ds了 再散开可能要崩所以就这样了 keep一下

谢谢摸！ :)

kiai前面加了个比较合适的小跳 3.14了。

Codesu 
osu file format v14

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Title:Azurite no Hitsugi
TitleUnicode:アズライトの棺
Artist:Ayane
ArtistUnicode:アヤネ
Creator:imoutosan
Version:Misure's Hard
Source:水葬銀貨のイストリア
Tags:suisouginka めと meto metomate uguisukagura ウグイスカグラ visual novel eroge PinkHeart KaedekaShizuru Misure
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136,24,65652,21,8,0:0:0:0:
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212,72,65999,2,0,P|212:96|204:119,1,49.5000015106202,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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356,184,67733,2,0,P|402:178|453:168,1,99.0000030212403,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
512,236,68253,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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416,328,73802,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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384,57,75363,6,0,P|375:98|369:154,1,99.0000030212403,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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212,76,76577,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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314,324,77964,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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412,60,78831,2,0,P|431:61|460:67,1,49.5000015106202,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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416,192,79352,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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144,324,80739,1,0,0:0:0:0:
52,296,80912,6,0,P|30:247|40:194,1,107.999996704102,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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200,208,82820,5,0,0:0:0:0:
200,208,82907,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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384,204,83513,1,0,0:0:0:0:
359,103,83687,6,0,P|303:105|248:116,1,112.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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84,120,84380,2,0,P|76:92|78:64,2,56.25,0|0|0,1:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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160,376,85941,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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404,264,88889,2,0,P|431:260|458:253,1,56.25,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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432,0,89756,1,0,0:0:0:0:
348,48,89930,2,0,P|345:75|351:103,1,56.25,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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304,184,90450,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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12,104,91837,1,0,0:0:0:0:
64,184,92011,6,0,P|117:197|170:178,1,112.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
264,152,92531,1,0,0:0:0:0:
264,152,92704,2,0,P|267:179|261:207,1,56.25,0|0,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
192,276,93051,1,0,0:0:0:0:
264,336,93224,1,0,0:0:0:0:
336,268,93397,22,0,P|363:264|391:266,1,56.25,4|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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448,188,94265,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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173,153,94785,6,0,P|219:185|275:187,1,112.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,113,95305,1,0,0:0:0:0:
260,52,95479,2,0,P|231:52|204:60,1,56.25,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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80,132,95999,6,0,L|68:20,1,112.5,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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96,272,96866,1,0,1:0:0:0:
96,272,97039,1,0,1:0:0:0:
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448,264,98600,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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412,80,99467,1,0,1:0:0:0:
353,152,99641,2,0,P|324:152|297:145,1,56.25,0|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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260,136,101028,2,0,P|266:163|266:191,1,56.25,0|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
180,244,101375,22,0,P|235:237|291:228,1,112.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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83,267,103629,2,0,P|84:295|91:323,2,56.25,0|0|0,0:0|1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
152,200,104149,1,4,1:0:0:0:
104,116,104323,1,0,1:0:0:0:
452,64,105883,6,0,P|462:117|431:162,1,112.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
344,120,106404,1,0,0:0:0:0:
250,139,106577,2,0,P|248:167|249:195,2,56.25,0|0|0,1:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
312,244,107097,22,0,P|256:249|200:258,1,112.5,4|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
148,340,107617,1,0,1:0:0:0:
148,340,107791,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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24,36,108658,6,0,P|12:89|36:138,1,112.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
131,124,109178,1,0,0:0:0:0:
216,172,109352,2,0,P|247:167|272:168,2,56.25,0|0|0,1:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
188,56,109872,6,0,P|239:78|294:77,1,112.5,4|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
380,32,110392,1,0,1:0:0:0:
460,84,110565,1,0,1:0:0:0:
364,184,110739,2,0,P|367:156|375:129,1,56.25,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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463,185,111259,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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328,212,112473,1,0,0:0:0:0:
296,336,112646,6,0,P|241:350|185:352,1,112.5,4|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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92,324,113340,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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167,208,113860,2,0,L|175:171,2,37.5,0|0|0,3:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
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300,72,114813,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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Fushimi Rio
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Normal 没啥毛病的说

Misure's Hard
  1. 01:22:810 (1,2,3) - 嗯，感觉这里滑条sv变化不够明显，还可以稍微快点；
PinkHeart's Insane
唉，不会打串（
  1. 00:19:861 - break time可以移到这里；
  2. 00:30:786 (2) - ctrl g看起来舒服一点；
  3. 00:38:243 (5,6,7) - 好别扭啊；
  4. 00:52:983 (8) - 这个note去掉比较好，和前面节奏能对的上；
  5. 01:50:729 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 连打有点牵强，像是硬塞进去的一样；
  6. 总体上说，kiai段整部分没啥大问题，除了一些看起来不是很自然的遮挡；不过 00:39:283 到 01:01:480 的部分似乎有点不太自然，个人更喜欢稍微随意的排列，以及尽量避免用太多的几何形状
Kaedeka's Extra
  1. 00:07:376 (5) - 歪了；
  2. 00:24:717 (1,2,3,4) - 这里拐的有点难看；
  3. 01:23:330 (6,7) - 这个跳有点大啊；
  4. 01:32:000 (1) - 这里尽量避免重叠还是，不好看；
  5. 01:39:630 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ？？？
  6. 01:42:405 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^
  7. 01:53:503 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^
Isotoria
  1. hp9?
  2. 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - 闻到了arles的味道；
  3. 01:39:977 (4,5) - 这里偏向替换成3个note这样的pattern;
  4. 01:44:833 (1) - 不好看；
最后一个难度真的6星吗。。我以为在打arles。。
嗯基本上就这些，GL~
Fushimi Rio
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Fushimi Rio

sodarose wrote: 305m46

[Istoria]
我从hp9里看出你对难图的别有用心以及人间世道的险恶 可不是么.jpg
00:34:438 (1,1) - 这里可以stack，还能避免00:35:825 (1,1) - 他俩撞一起 那打起来就很别手了 甩不出去
00:39:814 (1,2) - 个人不是很喜欢这种排列 反正简单 怎么摆也差不多
01:27:328 (1,1,2,3) - 看起来各种难受 ar9.6看不出来
01:22:993 (3) - 结尾的音效听不出来，感觉用Normal-hit更好 有个音就行了 normal太强
01:39:640 (1,2,3,1) - 不知道这里错开是不是故意的，但是感觉错的间距不对 是一样的啊
难度分布太不均匀了，打起来难受

[PinkHeart's Insane]
01:21:952 (5) - 结尾的音效听不出来，感觉用Normal-hit更好 同上

Ryuusei Aika wrote: 4y3n5m

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上边说的tag啥的我就不说了

Normal
01:46:923 (2) - 这里改成个1/2会比较好吧 也没好到哪去 该强调的还是得强调……

Pinkheart
00:50:218 (9) - 滑条尾弄clickable吧
01:50:565 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 个人感觉这串不是很必要啊，这里是很明显的1/2 是吗 我听着像串

Istoria
HP9太凶残了
01:33:571 (2,3,4) - 我的天哪.jpg 这还挺好打的……
01:48:311 (2,3,4) - ^ 结果你挑了最好打的两个写出来
01:33:918 (1) - 这不需要nc吧 不加有followpoint 丑
01:37:559 (1) - ctrl+J再稍微移一下位置感觉会比较顺 没必要 反向flow强调重音
01:50:739 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 同Insane你们怎么都map上这块了我有点慌 可不是么.jpg
这难度太疯了

gl :D

_Yiiiii wrote: 6q1yi

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前几天看见的时候还想塞个gd呢...没想到insane那块已经塞满了...QAQ

  • Istoria
  1. 00:36:345 (2,1) - 这里间距可以再大一点，否则较于这里00:35:999 (2,1) - 就有点小了。 是这个道理 但是找不到特别好的位置摆滑条
  2. 01:30:623 (1,2) - 这个间距不合适吧？之前这么大也就1/4拍。 能读
  3. 01:54:207 (1,1) - 这个怎么读都是1/6的...你可以试试把这个换成1/8的滑条，这样会好读一些，否则这下节奏变化就太突然了。没见有人读成1/6啊
PinkHeart's Insane
  • 这个难度的话...感觉就是很套路的那种，本身没什么问题，不过就是在这个spread上好像不太合适，串太长了，而且有些让新人砸键盘的滑条遮挡，比如01:37:559 (1,1) - 01:00:103 (6,1) - 等等，所以我建议 @一抹多 再加个送分的insane来补spread，如果你也觉得需要的话我可以来做一个。顺便这个难度的看起来像blanket的基本都能再包得更好一点。 需要的时候再找你
lol

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Normal 没啥毛病的说

PinkHeart's Insane
唉，不会打串（
  1. 00:38:243 (5,6,7) - 好别扭啊； 没感觉到
  2. 01:50:729 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 连打有点牵强，像是硬塞进去的一样；跟的不是鼓 感觉没问题
  3. 总体上说，kiai段整部分没啥大问题，除了一些看起来不是很自然的遮挡；不过 00:39:283 到 01:01:480 的部分似乎有点不太自然，个人更喜欢稍微随意的排列，以及尽量避免用太多的几何形状 个人风格不同
Isotoria
  1. 01:39:977 (4,5) - 这里偏向替换成3个note这样的pattern; 摆开了后面好打 拧一坨太蠢
  2. 01:44:833 (1) - 不好看；是有点 等有空换个
最后一个难度真的6星吗。。我以为在打arles。。bpm低啊 朋友
嗯基本上就这些，GL~
Affirmation
2,551 posts
ed March 2015
Q

[Istoria]
00:19:861 - spinner instead of break?
00:24:977 (6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - looks hard to see imo.
01:13:792 (5,1) - avoid overlap
01:19:515 (3,4) - stack?
01:28:359 (1,2,3,5) - looks too near, put them far.
01:30:613 (1,2) - looks hard to read,

GL
[Kamiya]
637 posts
ed November 2012
来了。

[Misure's Hard]

00:19:862 (1) - clap?

[Kaedeka's Extra]

00:58:705 (1,2,3,4) - 这里1.7x估计够了 ，间距大的太明显了。

01:20:208 (1,2,3,4) - 这里可以间距拉大点，01:23:330 (6,7) - 这里太大显的有些故意的。


[Istoria]
你hp9 感觉一开始的连打就差不多死光了兄弟真是太棒了
所以对于连打部分的个人意见感觉间距大没问题，首尾不接上感觉不会打了（个人认为 而且我对大间距连打确实不擅长）

00:40:497 (2) - 直接放在00:40:671 (3) - 上面感觉更舒服些

01:26:971 (2,3) - 这个摆放感觉有些别扭，建议01:26:971 (2) - 放01:27:665 (1) - 首部 01:27:145 (3) - 差不多在x:272 y:304附近
01:27:318 (1,2) - 这里距离就再拉长一点

水平有限，多多包涵 :)
Yumeno Himiko
Elite Storyboarder
1,168 posts
ed August 2012
您预订的一份m4m

[General]
可

[Normal]
00:19:861 - break 这边开始吧 跟别的diff对上
00:27:838 (6) - 这个有必要吗 我觉得删了节奏可能更好点
00:48:995 (2) - 尾巴clap？
01:38:416 (3,4,1,2) - 这个节奏我觉得在normal不太好，本身距离也比较相似难判断是1/2还是1/3，建议换几个滑条
01:51:942 (2,3,4) - 这里也是，按起来的感觉也不舒服，要都跟的话我觉得后面的换成2个slider比较好，不全跟可以换一个长slider带过
01:54:717 (2,3,4) - ^

[Misure's Hard]
01:22:983 (3,4) - 打的时候感觉有点别扭，应该是没跟vocal的锅，换成一个circle+一个reverse slider？

[PinkHeart's Insane]
00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 这边跟后面的，H跟这个I的差距有点大啊忽然就冒出来一堆串……跟2个x的差不多 有点担心spread问题
00:54:544 (6,7,8) - 个人觉得7不太适合放跳，这边instrument基本没音
01:21:422 (2,3,4) - 这边的音逐渐急促了，不放跳吗？
01:48:648 (1,2,1) - 这个flow很别扭啊，尤其是用01:49:341 (1)去stack滑条尾，我觉得stack滑条头可能更好点

[Kaedeka's Extra]
00:37:029 (2) - NC 前面刚变速完
00:52:809 (5) - 挪开点放感觉更好吧，stack在这里移动稍微有点奇怪？
01:08:763 (3) - ctrl+G
01:22:809 (2) - NC
01:39:630 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 爷爷这梗好难啊 跟妹桑一样在1/6的地方用白色combo吧
01:42:405 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^
01:47:954 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^
01:53:503 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^

[Istoria]
01:22:809 (2) - NC sv change
太没人性了 好多反人类梗啊

瞎摸的 祝起飞 以后m4m还是发个pm为好，我突然多了3个m4m想死啊
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

-Spica- wrote: 341p6x

Kaedeka's Extra
  1. 00:07:376 (5) - 歪了；fixed
  2. 00:24:717 (1,2,3,4) - 这里拐的有点难看；微调了下 不会摆串
  3. 01:23:330 (6,7) - 这个跳有点大啊；进副歌当然要大跳
  4. 01:32:000 (1) - 这里尽量避免重叠还是，不好看；故意的
  5. 01:39:630 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ？？？
  6. 01:42:405 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^
  7. 01:53:503 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^ 1/6 妹桑背锅

[Kamiya] wrote: 1i411g

来了。

[Kaedeka's Extra]

00:58:705 (1,2,3,4) - 这里1.7x估计够了 ，间距大的太明显了。连续3串间距X2 单点又不是大间距连打 没问题

01:20:208 (1,2,3,4) - 这里可以间距拉大点，01:23:330 (6,7) - 这里太大显的有些故意的。我觉得现在这样就刚好

Yumeno Himiko wrote: 6u6247

[Kaedeka's Extra]
00:37:029 (2) - NC 前面刚变速完 绿线放错位置了 哎嘿
00:52:809 (5) - 挪开点放感觉更好吧，stack在这里移动稍微有点奇怪？要的就是这个效果
01:08:763 (3) - ctrl+G no thx
01:22:809 (2) - NC 感觉没有必要
01:39:630 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 爷爷这梗好难啊 跟妹桑一样在1/6的地方用白色combo吧
01:42:405 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^
01:47:954 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^
01:53:503 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ^ 好
谢摸
Flower
1,728 posts
ed August 2011
[lstoria]
可能你是粉心的双胞胎吧
soft normal音效太没打击感了，这一点你们俩也蛮像的（呸我还有脸说别人）
我也说不出什么来，建议问下星爷
00:28:185 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 我认为应该这里用超大间距，而00:28:879 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 这里反而应该小，因为音乐前者更激昂
00:33:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - ^
00:33:734 (1) - 还有这个不太美观
01:21:942 (1) - 这个的白锚点也可以修一下. 然后感觉可以延长1/4

[shizuru's ex]
ar可以加到9.2？
00:48:994 (6) - 白锚点修一下可以更对称
01:10:324 (3) - 微调
SPOILER
01:21:942 (1) - 感觉可以延长1/4

[PinkHeart's in]
00:17:087 (1) - 考虑到滑条头被遮挡，这里几乎不能读出是往哪个方向走的，建议稍微张开点
01:28:359 (3,4) - 可以用降低音量的normal sample
01:33:387 (1,2,3,4,5) - 都可以用normal，很慷慨激昂
01:34:428 - 加上normal，01:34:081 (6,7,8) - 这一段加上渐弱绿线
01:39:197 (2,3) - drum sample
01:50:729 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
01:56:191 (5) - ^

hard和insane之间差距有点大，不过上面那些人不会管的吧，祝好运
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Neoskylove wrote: 5y4b36

Q

[Istoria]
00:19:861 - spinner instead of break? spinner is too hard for hp9 imo
00:24:977 (6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - looks hard to see imo. testplays looks fine now
01:13:792 (5,1) - avoid overlap I prefer current placement
01:19:515 (3,4) - stack? k
01:28:359 (1,2,3,5) - looks too near, put them far. haven't found a better way to arrange this
01:30:613 (1,2) - looks hard to read, same to 00:24:977

GL

[Kamiya] wrote: 1i411g

来了。

[Istoria]
你hp9 感觉一开始的连打就差不多死光了兄弟真是太棒了 可不是吗
所以对于连打部分的个人意见感觉间距大没问题，首尾不接上感觉不会打了（个人认为 而且我对大间距连打确实不擅长） 这个bpm第一串我就压不住 还是得找人试试

00:40:497 (2) - 直接放在00:40:671 (3) - 上面感觉更舒服些 也差不多 特地搞了个别手的突出人声

01:26:971 (2,3) - 这个摆放感觉有些别扭，建议01:26:971 (2) - 放01:27:665 (1) - 首部 01:27:145 (3) - 差不多在x:272 y:304附近 我也不太喜欢这个 重新做了个梗
01:27:318 (1,2) - 这里距离就再拉长一点 不好意思 没听懂……？

水平有限，多多包涵 :)

Yumeno Himiko wrote: 6u6247

您预订的一份m4m

[General]
可

[Normal]
00:19:861 - break 这边开始吧 跟别的diff对上 嗯
00:27:838 (6) - 这个有必要吗 我觉得删了节奏可能更好点 对
00:48:995 (2) - 尾巴clap？ 猴
01:38:416 (3,4,1,2) - 这个节奏我觉得在normal不太好，本身距离也比较相似难判断是1/2还是1/3，建议换几个滑条 哦
01:51:942 (2,3,4) - 这里也是，按起来的感觉也不舒服，要都跟的话我觉得后面的换成2个slider比较好，不全跟可以换一个长slider带过 好
01:54:717 (2,3,4) - ^

[PinkHeart's Insane]
00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 这边跟后面的，H跟这个I的差距有点大啊忽然就冒出来一堆串……跟2个x的差不多 有点担心spread问题 改了改
00:54:544 (6,7,8) - 个人觉得7不太适合放跳，这边instrument基本没音 也是
01:21:422 (2,3,4) - 这边的音逐渐急促了，不放跳吗？ 看不懂原作者在想啥 先不管了
01:48:648 (1,2,1) - 这个flow很别扭啊，尤其是用01:49:341 (1)去stack滑条尾，我觉得stack滑条头可能更好点 还行吧 前面也有一个这样的打起来还挺好

[Istoria]
01:22:809 (2) - NC sv change 猴
太没人性了 好多反人类梗啊

瞎摸的 祝起飞 以后m4m还是发个pm为好，我突然多了3个m4m想死啊 其实是我一时想不起来找谁约的m4m

Flower wrote: 7041n

[lstoria]
可能你是粉心的双胞胎吧
soft normal音效太没打击感了，这一点你们俩也蛮像的（呸我还有脸说别人） 我看了一下 这个人音效直接复制的我的
我也说不出什么来，建议问下星爷
00:28:185 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 我认为应该这里用超大间距，而00:28:879 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - 这里反而应该小，因为音乐前者更激昂 后面音调高一点啊 激昂不激昂都被drumsample盖过去听不见了
00:33:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - ^ 这个纯粹是间距小了不好打
00:33:734 (1) - 还有这个不太美观 修啊 但是怎么修都不美观啊
01:21:942 (1) - 这个的白锚点也可以修一下. 然后感觉可以延长1/4 猴

[PinkHeart's in]
00:17:087 (1) - 考虑到滑条头被遮挡，这里几乎不能读出是往哪个方向走的，建议稍微张开点 可以开渐入滑条
01:28:359 (3,4) - 可以用降低音量的normal sample 直接塞drum了
01:33:387 (1,2,3,4,5) - 都可以用normal，很慷慨激昂 好啊 为什么不呢
01:34:428 - 加上normal，01:34:081 (6,7,8) - 这一段加上渐弱绿线 猴
01:39:197 (2,3) - drum sample 猴
01:50:729 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^ 就加了前四个
01:56:191 (5) - ^ 这不太爽 还是塞一个比较好

hard和insane之间差距有点大，不过上面那些人不会管的吧，祝好运 我还是降一降难度 哎
Misure
953 posts
ed September 2012
hard
kiai前面再考虑一下 其他改了
谢谢摸！

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KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

Flower wrote: 7041n

[shizuru's ex]
ar可以加到9.2？ 有道理
00:48:994 (6) - 白锚点修一下可以更对称 好
01:10:324 (3) - 微调 好
SPOILER
01:21:942 (1) - 感觉可以延长1/4 no thx 感觉怪怪的
谢摸
Koiyuki
Beatmap Nominator
2,572 posts
ed March 2013
kksr's ex
00:21:942 (1) - to 1/8 repeat
01:20:208 (1) - remove nc
01:41:885 (2) - whi
01:43:966 (5) - ^
01:52:463 (6) - ^

Istoria diff same hitsound above
00:00:440 (1) - 00:01:133 (2) - 00:05:295 (1) - whi
also some places, whi can be added

same to ph's insane and other diffs, i think u may use hs coper lol

ph's insane
01:21:942 (5) - nc?
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

Koiyuki wrote: 155d4d

kksr's ex
00:21:942 (1) - to 1/8 repeat
01:20:208 (1) - remove nc
01:41:885 (2) - whi
01:43:966 (5) - ^
01:52:463 (6) - ^
all fixed
thx
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio
all fixed and updated
Koiyuki
Beatmap Nominator
2,572 posts
ed March 2013
:idea:
Seijiro
osu! Alumni
3,438 posts
ed April 2013
umh... I was checking bubbled maps and I noticed this. Mind if I mod it? x)
EDIT: uh... let's stop for a moment to discuss instead, shall we


Main Issues 2q4369


  1. 01:01:480 - SV here is set to be equal to the SV in kiai time and this makes me wonder: is the song so intense here to warrant such big spacing and SV? Disclaimer: nope.
    I believe you should reduce SV for this section to better express the song. The same goes for spacing: it should be shorter, like... 01:02:520 (4,1) - wut ?.?
    This applies to both the highest diff in the mapset. The Extra GD actually has a tiny difference of x0.10 in SV with the kiai time, but let's be honest: it is not noticeable enough to convey the proper feeling
  2. 00:22:636 - let's take the stream part now.
    I don't plan on telling you to remove the stream, don't worry, but the way it gets represented is too... random? Let's say that it is a bit hard to follow if I listen to the song properly.
    On the highest diff:
    1. 00:25:064 (1) - this was supposed to be a turning point (that's why you have the NC) on the piano note, but there is not difference here, everything is just flowing so there isn't enough impact to make that piano note noticeable in gameplay
    2. 00:25:931 (7,1) - both are identical piano notes, so I would expect identical objects
    3. there are obviously a lot of parts where you could do that but I won't list them all
    4. last thing about the stream is how spacing changes here and there. I may missing something or just misinterpreting, because I sort of get a feeling you changed spacing based on the piano notes' pitch. If that's the case I'd say that skipping some piano notes or not expressing them properly makes this effect drop.
      If you weren't following anything in particular in the song I would say you should keep some consistency across this whole stream since it doesn't really change over time
    On Kaedeka's diff:
    1. the stream is nice in consistency since it uses the same spacing, so that's a bonus
    2. piano here is getting even more ignored tho. Even if it is clearly audible it doesn't get any emphasis at all, it gets treated as a background instrument, lol
    On PinkHeart's diff:
    1. I don't have much to say apart from the fact it is really cramped. Maybe increase SV and add a tiny bit of DS too, because it is really too short compared to the next diff in the spread
  3. 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - the higest diff presents some really awkward diff spikes across the kiai time.
    One of those examples is this triplet, which is suddenly spaced way more than any other thing in the map till now.
    Please do mind diff spikes and try to avoid this stuff.
  4. General notice that the white combos are hella hard to play. Even if you put a warning in description that doesn't help much in gameplay. The way they get introduced is similar to a normal 1/2 snap (or even worse, smaller than a 1/4 snap 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - <.<"). Later on you even change drastically their spacing and it becomes like a jump: 01:48:301 (2,3,4) - 01:53:850 (2,3,4) - .
    I must tell you that is really unpredictable and as a player I wouldn't expect such a big change out of nowhere.
  5. Talking about the Insane, the first kiai as a strangely short spacing in the first kiai. Once it starts you don't even get that "punch" a kiai should give since spacing is too similar to before. Add some more punch to it please
  6. Always on Insane, the flow is really disregarded in some places.
    You should try thinking at how mouse players will play this more than tablet players, since at this level many players will still be playing with mouse.
    Flows like... 00:36:509 (1,2,3) - 00:55:931 (1,2,3,4) - 01:34:775 (1,2,3) - 01:37:549 (1,1,2,1) - (you really want to make them dead, heh) 01:46:567 (3,4,1) - 01:48:648 (1,2,1) -
  7. some rhythms on the Hard are too dense:
    1. 00:02:174 - you could really avoid this. Making 00:01:827 (4) - just a circle would be the best
    2. same in the other similar places ^
    3. 00:09:804 (2) - if you follow piano don't suddenly switch over vocals, it just feels like you overmapped the piano this way
    4. 01:02:001 (2) - if you remove this you keep more focus on vocals, otherwise it feels like you're overmapping them instead
    5. there are other places but I'll add them in the additional modding below
  8. I noticed this mainly on the Hard diff, but I believe that any map can always gain from this:
    structure is a bit poor and I mean more visually than rhythmically here.
    For example take from the Hard... 00:25:411 (1,2,3,4,1) - 00:28:185 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 00:30:266 (3,4,1) - 00:36:509 (1,2,3,1) - and so on, and I try to explain why are those objects there and placed like that. As far as I can analyze things, they are there just because "they felt good that way and that's it", but I'd rather see some more thought put in that.
    Idk what is this song talking about or from what work is, but you can make up some themes for your map based on that sort of knowledge. If not, try to at least make it a clean map, by using some more mirrored or non-contradicting shapes.
  9. Let's switch onto the Normal diff
    First thing which comes to my mind is how rhythm in certain parts is really random, as in "it ignores the song".
    Take 00:15:353 (2,3,1) - . The way you mapped this vocals (the main instrument in this part) are getting ignored.
    What about: 00:15:353 - circle; 00:15:700 - 1/1 slider; 00:17:087 - 1/1 slider?
    There are some parts ahead too, but I might as well make a mod for this I guess
  10. The other thing really noticeable on this diff is the amount of overlaps.
    There are too many for a Normal diff being the lowest of the set imo: 00:26:104 (2,4) - 00:30:266 (5,1) - 00:33:041 (5,1) - 01:15:353 (1,2) - 01:26:104 (4,3) - (not so noticeable, but it is still there and it's a bi ugly) 01:43:619 (2,1) - 01:44:833 (1,1) - 01:51:942 (2,3,4) - (come on, this is really ugly to be seen D:)
  11. on a general note, the Normal has a really cramped kiai time. You might need to use a larger DS

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Posting this for now.
I'd like to give a short mod too, to go more in details, although the big part is already up there ^
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

umh... I was checking bubbled maps and I noticed this. Mind if I mod it? x)
EDIT: uh... let's stop for a moment to discuss instead, shall we


Main Issues 2q4369


  1. 01:01:480 - SV here is set to be equal to the SV in kiai time and this makes me wonder: is the song so intense here to warrant such big spacing and SV? Disclaimer: nope.
    I believe you should reduce SV for this section to better express the song. The same goes for spacing: it should be shorter, like... 01:02:520 (4,1) - wut ?.?
    reduced the sv and spacing.
    This applies to both the highest diff in the mapset. The Extra GD actually has a tiny difference of x0.10 in SV with the kiai time, but let's be honest: it is not noticeable enough to convey the proper feeling
  2. 00:22:636 - let's take the stream part now.
    irc talked and reached an agreement now. reduced a part's spacing
  1. 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - the higest diff presents some really awkward diff spikes across the kiai time.
    One of those examples is this triplet, which is suddenly spaced way more than any other thing in the map till now.
    Please do mind diff spikes and try to avoid this stuff. reduced spacing.
  2. General notice that the white combos are hella hard to play. Even if you put a warning in description that doesn't help much in gameplay. The way they get introduced is similar to a normal 1/2 snap (or even worse, smaller than a 1/4 snap 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - <.<"). Later on you even change drastically their spacing and it becomes like a jump: 01:48:301 (2,3,4) - 01:53:850 (2,3,4) - .
    I must tell you that is really unpredictable and as a player I wouldn't expect such a big change out of nowhere. irc talked and readched another agreement that this two won't produce a difficulty spike like 01:33:561 (2,3,4) because of the two 1/3 patterns in former kiai. also reduced the second pattern's spacing since a circle is harder to catch than a slider

________________ h6q4w



Posting this for now.
I'd like to give a short mod too, to go more in details, although the big part is already up there ^
For the normal diff I'd like to respond after the mod is given. Currently fixed stuffs are these now.
If someone need the irc chatlog just tell me.

Edit1: added some illustration of pinkheart's explanation of flow
01:34:775 (1,2,3)

There will be a acceleration between 12 to give a punch as a beginning of second kiai. Also the relative sharp angel between 23 could emphasis the heavy beat on 01:35:468 -
01:46:567 (3,4,1)

234 are arranged to produce a quick turning-around pattern to change the velocity from 12 into angular velocity, and then jump between 34 could emphasis the music on 01:47:087 -
01:48:648 (1,2,1) - is a copy of this flow.

Edit2: fixed a lot of stuffs in Normal.
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Fia
Fia

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

umh... I was checking bubbled maps and I noticed this. Mind if I mod it? x)
EDIT: uh... let's stop for a moment to discuss instead, shall we


Main Issues 2q4369


  1. 00:22:636 - let's take the stream part now.
    I don't plan on telling you to remove the stream, don't worry, but the way it gets represented is too... random? Let's say that it is a bit hard to follow if I listen to the song properly.
    On PinkHeart's diff:
    1. I don't have much to say apart from the fact it is really cramped. Maybe increase SV and add a tiny bit of DS too, because it is really too short compared to the next diff in the spread raised overall DS to make this part more clearly. as for SV it seems not to help so kept.
[*]Talking about the Insane, the first kiai as a strangely short spacing in the first kiai. Once it starts you don't even get that "punch" a kiai should give since spacing is too similar to before. Add some more punch to it please hmm...ok? If that won't break the spread.
[*]Always on Insane, the flow is really disregarded in some places.
You should try thinking at how mouse players will play this more than tablet players, since at this level many players will still be playing with mouse. I am a mouse player and I had thought how they would play.
Flows like... 00:36:509 (1,2,3) - just trying to copy flow from 00:34:255 (2,3,4,1) - . I don't mind to change this if it's really unacceptable.
00:55:931 (1,2,3,4) - fixed
01:34:775 (1,2,3) - sorry, didn't get your point. what's the flow issue of it?
01:37:549 (1,1,2,1) - (you really want to make them dead, heh) It's not flow but reading issue imo. If you are sure that it's hard to read, I'll change it.
01:46:567 (3,4,1) - It's the same flow as 01:34:775 (1,2,3) - .
01:48:648 (1,2,1) - still same as 01:46:567 (3,4,1) - .

________________ h6q4w



Posting this for now.
I'd like to give a short mod too, to go more in details, although the big part is already up there ^
I need more specific illustration of the issue on 01:34:775 (1,2,3) - before I give explanations or making changes of similar patterns. Some explanations were given in imoutosan's post.
Thanks for modding anyway.
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Misure
953 posts
ed September 2012
in Hard diff:
fix those rhythm in the first part, but keep 00:09:804 (2) - to have a better consistency;
keep 01:02:001 (2) - to make rhythm more comfortable, ah I mean I'd like to make it dense here;
as for the second part, I don't think patterns are poor, at least I avoid overlapping and use some mirrored pattern like 00:25:411 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - copy paste, 00:30:960 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - mirrored, to make it clean as far as possible, with the repeated rhythm, ah but from 00:33:734 - I intended to make them not mirrored to perform the rhythm change.
if I failed to make it clean, that means I'm noob rather than I put little thought xd

Thanks for your modding! :)

ahh I'm poor at English LOL

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smallboat
1,687 posts
ed January 2010
貼昨天的IRC賺點KD

IRC 
2017-03-12 23:28 imoutosan: 嗯 先等我搞定他吧
2017-03-12 23:29 smallboat: 他是主動找?
2017-03-12 23:30 imoutosan: 是这样的
2017-03-12 23:30 imoutosan: 主动戳泡
2017-03-12 23:30 imoutosan: 免不了要打一打
2017-03-12 23:31 smallboat: .
2017-03-12 23:31 smallboat: 我去看看
2017-03-12 23:31 smallboat: 不過我覺得有一個地方是挺有問題
2017-03-12 23:31 smallboat: 高難度我是覺得看的ok啦
2017-03-12 23:31 smallboat: ACTION is editing [https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/b/1221456 Ayane - Azurite no Hitsugi [Misure's Hard]]
2017-03-12 23:32 smallboat: 01:55:931 (2,3) - 跳這麼遠我覺得會被噴
2017-03-12 23:32 smallboat: 現在就照你說的等你跟他對完吧 我先慢看
2017-03-13 00:55 smallboat: 這人也講太久˙-˙
2017-03-13 00:56 imoutosan: 英语交流
2017-03-13 00:56 imoutosan: 比较费力
2017-03-13 00:56 smallboat: 原來如此
2017-03-13 01:20 imoutosan: 真的费力 哎哟
2017-03-13 01:20 smallboat: 辛苦了
2017-03-13 01:21 imoutosan: 还得改
2017-03-13 01:21 smallboat: ACTION is editing [https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/b/1156927 Ayane - Azurite no Hitsugi [Istoria]]
2017-03-13 01:21 imoutosan: 该改的部分还没改呢
2017-03-13 01:21 smallboat: 01:43:966 (2,1,2) - 應該是同一組NC
2017-03-13 01:21 smallboat: 01:43:792 (1) - 這個取消
2017-03-13 01:21 imoutosan: 这个人坚持认为1/3梗没法读
2017-03-13 01:21 smallboat: *去消NC
2017-03-13 01:21 smallboat: .
2017-03-13 01:21 imoutosan: 我不知道怎么说好
2017-03-13 01:21 smallboat: 可以讀吧欸

全弄好再叫我。
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

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Main Issues 2q4369



  • This applies to both the highest diff in the mapset. The Extra GD actually has a tiny difference of x0.10 in SV with the kiai time, but let's be honest: it is not noticeable enough to convey the proper feeling
    as you said, indeed, same SV is better; but chorus is chorus, not an other part of the song. so I make there a bit faster, 0.1 enough, 0.2 too fast and hard to layout.
  1. 00:22:636 - let's take the stream part now.
    On Kaedeka's diff:
    1. the stream is nice in consistency since it uses the same spacing, so that's a bonus
    2. piano here is getting even more ignored tho. Even if it is clearly audible it doesn't get any emphasis at all, it gets treated as a background instrument, lol
      ohhh I get your mean, just pick up some of the piano to slider jump
thank you
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Seijiro
osu! Alumni
3,438 posts
ed April 2013
ok then...

Istoria 2odl


  1. 00:08:763 (1) - the pitch for this beat increases greatly so I was thinking if you could manage spacing a bit better.
    I meant something like... this
  2. 00:10:844 (3,4,1) - in slow and clam parts I usually try to avoid forced flows like this one. What I mean is the back and forth you have here, which adds useless stress on the player imo.
    Why not continuing the curve and place the slider at x421 y264 example
  3. 00:25:064 (1,2,3,4) - you mentioned this too, but I see it didn't get fixed yet, so here's an option: http://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/7577022
  4. 00:33:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - again in PM you told me you followed the piano's pitch for the spacing of streams, but then... why is this grave piano note representing a high spaced stream? Not to mention it is it the most spaced one in the whole section o.O
  5. 00:34:428 (1,2,3) - once the song calms down I don't think that's the appropriate spacing at all. That's a cross screen jump, lol
  6. 00:35:815 (1,2,1,2) - same here. It looks to me this just screams "I wanted to make it stupidly hard for no reason" tbh
  7. 00:41:191 (4,5) - last time I point this out, but again forced flows on calm parts of the song. Something less constricting will give a better feeling, trust me
  8. 00:42:058 (1,2) - ^
  9. 00:44:139 (4) - wait, what is this following? There is no piano as for 00:43:445 (3) - , so why is this a circle only?
    Check Kaedeka's diff for this rhythm, since that's how it works better
  10. 01:12:578 (1,2,3) - spacing inconsistency. You're using same visual spacing for both a 1/2 and 1/4 snap
  11. 01:21:596 (2,3) - take this jump and compare it with any jump in the kiai time. It's too similar, holy.
    This is a calm part, while the kiai is an intense part. Why are you using similar spacings on different sections, lol
  12. What tells me that 01:30:613 (1,2) - is not the same as 01:31:653 (5,1) - ? They are visually the same concept, just with a different order, so I might as well consider 01:31:653 (5,1) - a 1/4 gap too .-.
  13. 01:33:561 (2,3,4) - 01:51:942 (1,2,3) - 01:54:717 (1,2,3) - spacing inconsistency.
    Just because I pointed out only the first one when I modded before it doesn't mean that only one should get fixed.
    What's more is that spacing there is still large, at least compared with 01:52:636 (1,2,3) - (new inconsistency too?)
  14. 01:33:908 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is a one-time thing, but structure here seems to be lacking.
    What I mean by that is that it doesn't seem to me these jumps have any specific rule to be like that. Ok having intensity being expressed, but the whole thing is just... there to be there and nothing else.
    This happens in other parts but it is pointless to point them all out
  15. 01:39:630 (1,2) - the famous 1/3 snaps... Actually, why is this jump so big? It is surprisingly big compared to the rest of the combo :/
    It is also inconsistent with 01:42:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - for example, or 01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - where spacing is increased, or even 01:53:850 (2,3,4,1) - where again spacing is increased
  16. 01:44:833 (1,1) - I get you wanted the blanket here, but holy, that overlaps is really ugly if you ask me
  17. 01:51:422 (1,1) - wild NCs appear
  18. 01:54:197 (1,1) - ok, maybe I'm missing something but I believe these NCs are a bit too much

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Kaedeka's Extra 2h5tp


  1. 00:23:156 (7,7) - using sliders where there are no piano notes makes them feel strange when you actually use them for 00:24:890 (3,6) - . Try giving them a more rigid rule and not just "let's place one here because I like it this way"
    I probably don't need to tell you how the rest of the stream sort of ignores the piano during the stream (I already did anyway)
  2. 00:35:468 (1,2) - wait, weren't you following drums in this part? What is this following?
    The slider should start from the white tick...
  3. 00:38:243 (1,1,1,1) - just one NC is good enough. Is there a reason to break this rhythm into so many NCs?
  4. 00:40:324 (1,2,3,4) - again strange rhythms. The first two sliders are telling me "follow vocals" but the other two objects tell me "follow <wut>" ?.?
    You can't pick up a new rhythm half way through lol
  5. 00:51:769 (3,4) - isn't this pattern used just once in the whole map?
  6. 01:13:966 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this is a good chance to bring out "contrast"
    Contrast is a handy technique that lets you focus the player's attention onto a specific sound or rhythm. To do so you have to remove objects from notes that just are in the way. The contrast between the breaks and the actual notes will create a stronger effect on the player.
    In this case, you have too many 1/2 beats, and as such you don't focus the player's attention on anything specific.
    For example 01:16:740 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - seems like following vocals, but 01:16:913 (2) - is in the way and distracts my attention while playing
  7. The rest of the map is either lack of contrast for rhythm or lack of structure for aesthetics and I honestly can't make a whole bunch of links just like that. In general it needs more thought imo

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PinkHeart's Insane x6442


  • 00:00:440 (1,3) - minor and it probably doesn't need a fix (although it would be cool to)
    The first slider is ignoring a piano beat, which is quite strange: the way they are now it's the same as saying "these are the same thing" while it clear that those two sliders aren't.
    Same for all the others, obviously
  1. 00:22:809 - this is an insane, so having such long streams might be problematic.
    I would increase spacing but add some more slider repeats (and less jumps perhaps). Having the whole stream so cramped is also a bit meh
  2. 00:44:659 - I believe you don't need this in a calm part, it's overmapped a little. Check the other diffs and see what rhythms they use
  3. 00:48:128 (4,5) - maybe manual stack them, since they're a bit ugly like that
  4. 00:59:399 (5) - what is this beat following lol. It falls on nothing I can recognize.
    I'd just delete this too
  5. 01:02:174 (3,4) - at least silence the slider end, there is no beat on that snap
  6. 01:04:255 (1) - same (and all the other ones too)
  7. 01:17:781 (4) - judging your hitsounding, this needs two circles instead. The slider is ignoring too much this time and there is no long sound there
  8. The first kiai time is still too cramped in fact of DS
  9. 01:49:341 (1) - is a Cltr G not feasible?

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Misure's Hard 1ud34


  1. 00:09:804 (2) - since you follow the piano in this section what do you think of deleting this? It just adds distractions to the main instrument imo
  2. 00:18:475 (3) - since you seem to shift from piano to vocals with this I suggest increasing it by 1/2
  3. 00:35:816 (3,4) - small detail but you could convert these into a slider to create some contrast. By doing so the next circles will feel more important
  4. 01:05:122 (2,3) - I just have a small spacing change for this one: image
    I suggest this because your current flow seems a little forced. By that I mean not following the slider's direction after you leave the slider itself. I could give you a screen of that but I believe it is a bit pointless.
  5. 01:07:029 (1,2,3) - talking about aesthetics a bit here. The current design is a bit... "strange" imo, since you put together slider shapes that don't go well together: image.
    I just wonder what meaning that sort of thing has, that's all.
  6. 01:14:659 (3) - I suggest to turn this into a simple circle. As it is now it feels too dense and moreover there isn't a particular focus on anything. If you place the circle you can manage to give more importance to 01:15:006 (4) -
  7. 01:16:740 (1) - same reasoning here ^
  8. 01:49:341 (3,1) - well, I tried explaining a bit flow earlier with a screen and now it repeats. You should try to make things more natural on lower diffs
  9. 01:46:567 (3,1) - same ^
  10. 01:53:503 (1,2,1) - it's a bit cramped in here, can you manage something perhaps?
  11. 01:55:931 (2,3) - I believe this is a bit hard to interpret for this level. Maybe reduce the jump?

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Normal 6g3l6m


  1. 00:35:468 (2,3,4,1) - minor, but you could try to spread your patterns a bit more instead of making them so cramped imo.
    It helps to not bore the player (notice how the cursor barely moves)
  2. 00:38:243 (2,3,4) - it's a calm part so I would rather go with a slider instead, with a repeat, obviously
  3. 00:52:809 (3) - you could delete this beat too, since there isn't such a strong beat there anyway and it will be hard for players of this level to notice what you're following
  4. 00:57:318 (1,2) - imo you could enforce the build up by keeping this one similar to 00:55:931 (1,2) - instead. The last one of these three patterns is the most important so you should give it importance imo
  5. 01:01:133 (2) - it's again a matter of contrast. If your delete this beat your will create a nice gap in rhythm that emphasizes 01:01:480 (1,2,3) - this rhythm
  6. 01:02:867 (3,4,1) - even here you still use a lot of not-so-great flows in fact of spontaneity. If you place the circle more to the left it is a "smoother" movement
  7. 01:16:740 (2,3) - imo this rhythm is ignoring a bit too much vocals. 01:16:740 - circle; 01:17:087 - 1/2 repeat slider.
    Like that it works way better imo
  8. 01:31:307 (4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - ahhhh, the kiai is so dense and short in spacing it is almost a mess. Is it possible to manage a little higher DS (and maybe a bit less notes)?
  9. 01:37:203 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - lol, speaking of intense rhythms...
  10. yeah, definitely the kiai is a bit too dense imo, in fact of note density rather than just DS

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uhhh, this took me way longer than expected. Sorry for the delay.
In case you didn't understand something let me know.
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Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

ok then...

Istoria 2odl


  1. 00:25:064 (1,2,3,4) - you mentioned this too, but I see it didn't get fixed yet, so here's an option: http://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/7577022
    I'd like a gentler transition between 00:25:064 (1,2,3,4) - and 00:25:411 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - . so raised spacing but kept the shape of stream
  2. 00:33:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - again in PM you told me you followed the piano's pitch for the spacing of streams, but then... why is this grave piano note representing a high spaced stream? Not to mention it is it the most spaced one in the whole section o.O
    sure I should make this spacing smaller if I only followed piano.
    on the whole of the song this part has a grow of strength between 00:32:347 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and 00:33:041 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - . (the artist added a new track of stronger drums from 00:33:041 -) so I'm pretty sure that current spacing is definitely reasonable and acceptble here.
  3. What tells me that 01:30:613 (1,2) - is not the same as 01:31:653 (5,1) - ? They are visually the same concept, just with a different order, so I might as well consider 01:31:653 (5,1) - a 1/4 gap too .-. for most players these are easy to read because they could hear obvious different rhythms. are you really sure that this could be easily misread?
  4. 01:33:908 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is a one-time thing, but structure here seems to be lacking.
    What I mean by that is that it doesn't seem to me these jumps have any specific rule to be like that. Ok having intensity being expressed, but the whole thing is just... there to be there and nothing else. the current 1 is at the easiest place. placing elswhere would just increase unnecessary difficulty here and there. I don't really like unstructive patterns but sometimes they are good choices to do.
    This happens in other parts but it is pointless to point them all out
  5. 01:39:630 (1,2) - the famous 1/3 snaps... Actually, why is this jump so big? It is surprisingly big compared to the rest of the combo :/
    It is also inconsistent with 01:42:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - for example, or 01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - where spacing is increased, or even 01:53:850 (2,3,4,1) - where again spacing is increased
    I guess I don't need to defend the playablitly for these patterns again. the difficulty won't be really decreased until I scale them to some really small spacing, which is just meaningless and causing unnecessary changes of the whole kiai structure.

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Normal 6g3l6m


all fixed so no reply

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uhhh, this took me way longer than expected. Sorry for the delay.
In case you didn't understand something let me know.
All diffs fixed and updated.
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Misure
953 posts
ed September 2012

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

Misure's Hard 1ud34


  1. 00:09:804 (2) - since you follow the piano in this section what do you think of deleting this? It just adds distractions to the main instrument imo
  2. 00:18:475 (3) - since you seem to shift from piano to vocals with this I suggest increasing it by 1/2
    :arrow: fixed the first one, and did the same rhythm for this one
  3. 00:35:816 (3,4) - small detail but you could convert these into a slider to create some contrast. By doing so the next circles will feel more important
    :arrow: prefer to emphazise that four sounds here, which will be exciting after 00:34:775 (1,2) - imo
  4. 01:05:122 (2,3) - I just have a small spacing change for this one: image
    I suggest this because your current flow seems a little forced. By that I mean not following the slider's direction after you leave the slider itself. I could give you a screen of that but I believe it is a bit pointless.
    :arrow: yea it is, but I want to keep the shape to make 01:05:295 (3,1,2,3) - mirrored, so fix the angle slightly
  5. 01:07:029 (1,2,3) - talking about aesthetics a bit here. The current design is a bit... "strange" imo, since you put together slider shapes that don't go well together: image.
    I just wonder what meaning that sort of thing has, that's all.
    :arrow: umm... I really don't know how to explain this, maybe my own taste :o yea maybe you'd say my taste is terrible lol
  6. 01:14:659 (3) - I suggest to turn this into a simple circle. As it is now it feels too dense and moreover there isn't a particular focus on anything. If you place the circle you can manage to give more importance to 01:15:006 (4) -
  7. 01:16:740 (1) - same reasoning here ^
    :arrow: keep these two cautz I feel music is stronger and stronger so I only cut the rhythm at 01:15:179 - to better emphasize 01:15:006 (4) - .
  8. 01:49:341 (3,1) - well, I tried explaining a bit flow earlier with a screen and now it repeats. You should try to make things more natural on lower diffs
  9. 01:46:567 (3,1) - same ^
    :arrow: umm not a problem imo cautz this could better show the strong beats imo
  10. 01:53:503 (1,2,1) - it's a bit cramped in here, can you manage something perhaps?
    :arrow: sry but I really like this one :D and 1/3s could be emphasized like this
  11. 01:55:931 (2,3) - I believe this is a bit hard to interpret for this level. Maybe reduce the jump?
    :arrow: a jump ay the ending is acceptable I think, at least it's fit here maybe
Thanks for your modding!

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124,180,108301,2,0,P|129:152|131:124,1,56.25,0|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
24,36,108648,6,0,P|12:89|36:138,1,112.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
131,124,109168,1,0,0:0:0:0:
216,172,109342,2,0,P|247:167|272:168,2,56.25,0|0|0,1:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
200,60,109862,6,0,P|253:76|309:80,1,112.5,4|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
396,36,110382,1,0,1:0:0:0:
476,88,110555,1,0,1:0:0:0:
380,188,110729,2,0,P|383:160|391:133,1,56.25,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
479,189,111076,1,0,0:0:0:0:
479,189,111249,1,0,0:0:0:0:
431,281,111423,22,0,P|403:286|375:284,1,56.25,4|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
220,196,111943,1,0,1:0:0:0:
220,196,112029,1,0,3:0:0:0:
220,196,112116,2,0,P|228:222|239:248,1,56.25,4|0,3:1|1:0,0:0:0:0:
328,212,112463,1,0,0:0:0:0:
296,336,112636,6,0,P|241:350|185:352,1,112.5,4|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
92,324,113157,1,0,1:0:0:0:
92,324,113330,1,0,3:0:0:0:
132,236,113503,22,0,L|123:199,2,37.5,4|0|0,1:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
167,208,113850,2,0,L|175:171,2,37.5,0|0|0,3:0|3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
207,228,114197,6,0,P|206:256|212:284,1,56.25,4|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,72,114717,1,0,1:0:0:0:
300,72,114803,1,0,3:0:0:0:
300,72,114890,2,0,P|273:80|247:91,1,56.25,4|0,3:1|1:0,0:0:0:0:
284,180,115237,1,0,0:0:0:0:
160,136,115410,6,0,P|145:81|143:25,1,112.5,4|0,0:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
259,36,115931,2,0,P|255:63|247:90,1,56.25,0|0,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
48,148,116278,2,0,P|103:137|160:136,1,112.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,304,116972,5,4,0:0:0:0:
256,192,117145,12,0,119572,0:0:0:0:
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

ok then...

Kaedeka's Extra 2h5tp


  1. 00:23:156 (7,7) - using sliders where there are no piano notes makes them feel strange when you actually use them for 00:24:890 (3,6) - . Try giving them a more rigid rule and not just "let's place one here because I like it this way"
    just let players easier to catch stream when it disconnect. a too long stream at the beginning too hard I think;
    I probably don't need to tell you how the rest of the stream sort of ignores the piano during the stream (I already did anyway)
    yes I know what your mean and I also have pick some of them as short slider like 00:24:890 (3,6)
  2. 00:35:468 (1,2) - wait, weren't you following drums in this part? What is this following?
    The slider should start from the white tick...
    sure. that's my carelessness
  3. 00:38:243 (1,1,1,1) - just one NC is good enough. Is there a reason to break this rhythm into so many NCs?
    can be a warning for verse in different style (yeah I know this is not a good reason but I need it
  4. 00:40:324 (1,2,3,4) - again strange rhythms. The first two sliders are telling me "follow vocals" but the other two objects tell me "follow <wut>" ?.?
    You can't pick up a new rhythm half way through lol
    so leave blank except 00:40:671 and 00:41:364 ? that's not a good way for me; the vocal same with 00:48:648 (5,6) exactly, just let them similar.
  5. 00:51:769 (3,4) - isn't this pattern used just once in the whole map?
    here gives me a pause sense and not suitable to NC
  6. 01:13:966 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this is a good chance to bring out "contrast"
    Contrast is a handy technique that lets you focus the player's attention onto a specific sound or rhythm. To do so you have to remove objects from notes that just are in the way. The contrast between the breaks and the actual notes will create a stronger effect on the player.
    In this case, you have too many 1/2 beats, and as such you don't focus the player's attention on anything specific.
    For example 01:16:740 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - seems like following vocals, but 01:16:913 (2) - is in the way and distracts my attention while playing
    I just Faithful to the Accompaniment Rhythm. Didn't you hear the drum there? Listen carefully please, this part full of 1/4 accompaniment, even it hears a bit low contrast with vocal
  7. The rest of the map is either lack of contrast for rhythm or lack of structure for aesthetics and I honestly can't make a whole bunch of links just like that. In general it needs more thought imo
    I'm very interest in how you map this song for extra or other difficult diffs.
    But I map this song for a long time, I thought much more than you thought.
thank you very much
Fia
Fia

MrSergio wrote: 4q6o5v

ok then...

PinkHeart's Insane x6442


  • 00:00:440 (1,3) - minor and it probably doesn't need a fix (although it would be cool to)
    The first slider is ignoring a piano beat, which is quite strange: the way they are now it's the same as saying "these are the same thing" while it clear that those two sliders aren't.
    Same for all the others, obviously cool, but I'm not good at mapping this so maybe next time.
  1. 00:44:659 - I believe you don't need this in a calm part, it's overmapped a little. Check the other diffs and see what rhythms they use but it looks cool for me. Is it really serious?
  2. 01:49:341 (1) - is a Cltr G not feasible? not at all, made it clearer now
Seijiro
osu! Alumni
3,438 posts
ed April 2013
ok... there has been some misunderstanding perhaps.
My second post is the minor stuff about the mapset. It needs fixing for sure, but it's not so vital if you consider my first post.

From what I could see the spacing relation across the maps (the difference in speed between parts outside kiai and kiai time) didn't change almost at all. Please don't pretend to change SV by 0.1 and call it a day cause that's not noticeable at all.
Moreover the diff spikes on the last diff are still there...

My pop won't go away, sorry.
Imo your map needs work yet and not from modders but from the mappers. Whether I mod again or not won't change much anyway I believe.
You should go over the first post again...


As a side note let me tell you that your haste to make this map qualified by the release date of the game was probably the mistake, but that's just my opinion which may be wrong.
Good luck~
smallboat
1,687 posts
ed January 2010
Just my opinion, actually the sv slider speed not affect these players playing, it can be itted even can playable.
So let me take the responsibility, reb it.
Thanks MrSergio check :3
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio
well, let me clarify what are the left issues with sergio again later.
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UndeadCapulet
1,100 posts
ed April 2013
lame nerfs :/
Seijiro
osu! Alumni
3,438 posts
ed April 2013
you discussed the stream with me?
You did?
??????????

I also pointing out structure lacking on Hard tho...
As well as on mostly every diff in the set
Xexxar
913 posts
ed June 2013
I would agree with MrSergio's judgement that this map is not suitable for ranking. Generally the map is way too over the top for such a calm song and I feel like allowing this to be ranked would be detrimental towards the improvement of maps in the ranked section. Both the Extra and the top difficulty have issues with spacing and aesthetics that I feel can be improved upon. If you need more detail as to what exactly I find wrong with the map, you can look at MrSergio's mod, or ask me directly for additional explanations and reasons for why I find issue with this map.
Miquella
462 posts
ed September 2015
Hey!, agreeing with @xexxar and mrsergio,

map is like pretty overdone, the whole kiai can be considered overmapped as the notes are barely audible.


intensity is all over the place.

01:23:503 (7) - this is just plain wrong, there is the biggest jump pre-kiai in your map and it's overmapped,
vocals don't really justify it cause vocals land a bit later there and it kinda fades in,

whole kiai is overly spaced 01:33:387 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I'm pretty sure the majority would agree with this, notes like these being overmapped or barely audible while playing 01:34:255 (3) - overmapped, It feels like you are trying to compensate the lack of intensity in the song with hitsounds but it's just awkward.


rhythm isn't that great either.

01:24:370 (3) - rhythm choice is so odd here, there are no vocals here and skipping a beat on 01:24:544 - , but sliders like 01:23:676 (1) - really felt focused on vocals,
which breaks the rhythm in correlation with the song, the context of your rhythms really feels counterintuitive. nothing feels really emphasized consistently.

01:32:867 (1,2,3) - You new combo'd on a blue tick while nothing special happens there, you have separate vocals and a drum in the same combo it's really bad rhythm choice.

01:48:416 (3) - no beat here, why a spaced triplet?

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - unplayable, mixing 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 in the SAME section with plain circles

visuals r not good.

01:52:116 (3,1) - patterns don't connect visually with each other, blanket being really noticeably off .
01:32:520 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this looks like whack-a-mole, it's like just looks overly spaced, is making it hard to organize patterns.

smallboat wrote: 385o36

Just my opinion, actually the sv slider speed does not affect these players playing, it can be itted even can playable.
So let me take the responsibility, reb it.
Thanks, MrSergio check :3
It was never about playability though, a map also has to make sense. you need to both. Also, this isn't playable.

I'm not sure why this got even bubbled, there are some obvious fatal problems in this map. so yeah i don't think this is suitable for ranking yet for some time, so stop rushing your map thanks.
Nao Tomori
osu! Alumni
3,078 posts
ed December 2014
why is xexxar popping a map of a song he is trying to rank :thinking:

zev wrote: 36256w

Hey!, agreeing with @xexxar and mrsergio,

map is like pretty overdone, the whole kiai can be considered overmapped as the notes are barely audible.


intensity is all over the place.

01:23:503 (7) - this is just plain wrong, there is the biggest jump pre-kiai in your map and it's overmapped,
vocals don't really justify it cause vocals land a bit later there and it kinda fades in, this is clearly justified by the fact that it's a massive build up in intensity in the strings. consider the relevant cursor movement and the song itself, you can hear a lot of new strings coming in, a new arpeggio, etc.

whole kiai is overly spaced 01:33:387 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I'm pretty sure the majority would agree with this, notes like these being overmapped or barely audible while playing 01:34:255 (3) - overmapped, It feels like you are trying to compensate the lack of intensity in the song with hitsounds but it's just awkward. i can agree that this is a bit overspaced, but the song itself is clearly having a more intense moment, again with new instruments, the violins dip down and start a new movement up, etc.

rhythm isn't that great either.

01:24:370 (3) - rhythm choice is so odd here, there are no vocals here and skipping a beat on 01:24:544 - , but sliders like 01:23:676 (1) - really felt focused on vocals,
which breaks the rhythm in correlation with the song, the context of your rhythms really feels counterintuitive. nothing feels really emphasized consistently.
to me it seems like the rhythm does switch focus a lot, but outside of the slider you highlighted at 01:24:370 (3) - it seemed very clear what the clicking followed. you can hear the strings focus on things like 01:27:492 (3,4) - or 01:29:746 (2,3,4,5) - and the strongest vocal downbeats were followed with extended sliders.
01:32:867 (1,2,3) - You new combo'd on a blue tick while nothing special happens there, you have separate vocals and a drum in the same combo it's really bad rhythm choice.
agreed. doing something like http://puu.sh/uVhfA/33b3afb286.jpg would make the rhythm seem a bit more consistent with regards to what it follows.

01:48:416 (3) - no beat here, why a spaced triplet? 01:48:416 (3) - is an added circle to make the 1/3 rhythm easier than having a 1/3 gap that is never repeated again in the map. everyone has different opinions on additive rhythm, but imo this is a decent use of it since it fits in the context of the song.

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - unplayable, mixing 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 in the SAME section with plain circles one can play a map, but you can't, then you're just too weak. the different snappings are very clearly spaced differently, colorhaxed differently. besides, it actually does follow the song.

visuals r not good.

01:52:116 (3,1) - patterns don't connect visually with each other, blanket being really noticeably off . ah yes this 5 pixel off blanket defuses the entire cohesiveness of the repeated patterning that is based on returning back to the origin or extending slider patterns that is used consistently in the kiai. totally.
01:32:520 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this looks like whack-a-mole, it's like just looks overly spaced, is making it hard to organize patterns. 01:33:908 (1,2,3,4,5) - this is clearly a star made from 2 opposing triangles, like the star of david... besides, while this is possibly overspaced, the fact that it doesn't make a nice visually spaced even pattern is a much more stylistic thing. just because you may really really like making polygons out of any and everything doesn't mean that everyone should do the same thing. using cursor movement to determine object placement, as was done here, is a completely valid way to do things.

smallboat wrote: 385o36

Just my opinion, actually the sv slider speed does not affect these players playing, it can be itted even can playable.
So let me take the responsibility, reb it.
Thanks, MrSergio check :3
It was never about playability though, a map also has to make sense. you need to both. Also, this isn't playable. playable is very relative, yes you can't play it but you happen to be a 60k, i can play it fine. playability is only an issue with concerns to proportionality of difficulty within the map, which is the argument you should be bringing up if you want to mod this properly.

I'm not sure why this got even bubbled, there are some obvious fatal problems in this map. so yeah i don't think this is suitable for ranking yet for some time, so stop rushing your map thanks. i can agree that there are some issues, but calling them fatal is exaggerating since they amount to the spacing being overdone in your opinion. this map got bubbled because smallboat thinks it's ready for ranking, you should know how the nomination system works by now =)
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squishyguppy
1,256 posts
ed March 2014

Naotoshi wrote: 2v95j

why is xexxar popping a map of a song he is trying to rank :thinking:

im farming post count

if you agree with sergio, and sergio's mods were already responded to, what is the purpose of popping without going further into explanation.
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio
/reviewing chatlog
talk about streams 
00:53 MrSergio: but my point is how all these streams compared to each other seem random in spacing, lol
00:53 MrSergio: not whether the spacing is hard or easy to play
00:54 imoutosan: ...I just make the spacing bigger when tune gets higher?
00:54 imoutosan: I thought this is a widly aceted idea
00:55 MrSergio: heh... let's say it's fine then...
00:55 MrSergio: although I'm not completely convinced right now
I did. Didin't I?
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KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013
Thank you, Nao

Naotoshi wrote: 2v95j

why is xexxar popping a map of a song he is trying to rank :thinking:
because of xexxar mapped the same song and he always looks down on others with his habit.
The first pop by MrSergio also from xexxar's encouragement( if someone need evidence I'll put it here. )
I won't and never give any advice to his map, that does not make sense, no help to me, neither to him.

I talk about with MrSergio, he said he dislike this song, I'm very interest in how a man dislike a song can be attracted then put forward any useful advice.
We also have already replied what we agreed with MrSergio's mod and what we not, with us grounds.
Here xexxar popped again, without any new reason this time.
That's funny. Does he is blindman? Or he just want pop to pop?
I believe he is the second one.
Let's see your MALICIOUS, xexxar. Just write down your reasons, one by one clearly, let me know your "good opinions".
If you repeat MrSergio's mod again, I looks down to you, like how you looks down to other mappers.

The last to MrSergio and xexxar:
Your advice can't touch me, can't touch others, so you play with your permissions.
That's fantastic.

“走自己的路，让别人无路可走”
Xexxar
913 posts
ed June 2013
ok well ur attitude is exactly why i didnt even bother writing out why i think your map is bad, because you're clearly not willing to listen anyway so its a waste of both our time.
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio
well, calm down please everyone. This is still my map's thread and I'm not asking for a quarrel.
squishyguppy
1,256 posts
ed March 2014

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

ok well ur attitude is exactly why i didnt even bother writing out why i think your map is bad, because you're clearly not willing to listen anyway so its a waste of both our time.
if its such a waste of your time don't bother popping it because you clearly have no intention of arguing over why you think it shouldn't be bubbled other that just saying "agre with sergio"
_handholding
3,109 posts
ed April 2014
This isn't the first time xexxar and mrsergio have popped bubbles based on subjective reasons and the basis that they just personally do not like the map. I do think it would be wise to stop popping for some silly aesthetic related reasons, not many ppl like the look of your maps xexxar believe it or not.

In your mods you should really be a lot more objective, also here's a tip - don't use so many question marks in mods, it's a bad habit
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

zev wrote: 36256w

Hey!, agreeing with @xexxar and mrsergio,

map is like pretty overdone, the whole kiai can be considered overmapped as the notes are barely audible. That's right. raised se volume of kiai.

intensity is all over the place.

01:23:503 (7) - this is just plain wrong, there is the biggest jump pre-kiai in your map and it's overmapped,
vocals don't really justify it cause vocals land a bit later there and it kinda fades in, and intensity is not decided by vocal here if you really listened to the song

whole kiai is overly spaced 01:33:387 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I'm pretty sure the majority would agree with this, notes like these being overmapped or barely audible while playing 01:34:255 (3) - overmapped, It feels like you are trying to compensate the lack of intensity in the song with hitsounds but it's just awkward. sorry but it makes me feel like that it's more like your own feeling instead of the song intensity. I'm pretty sure it matches the intensity of the song for many other players' standard.
besides, this pattern is easier than it looks if you could play the rest parts of the map


rhythm isn't that great either.

01:24:370 (3) - rhythm choice is so odd here, there are no vocals here and skipping a beat on 01:24:544 - , but sliders like 01:23:676 (1) - really felt focused on vocals,
which breaks the rhythm in correlation with the song, the context of your rhythms really feels counterintuitive. nothing feels really emphasized consistently. and I'm not following the vocals, so there's no 'rhythm breaking' as you said

01:32:867 (1,2,3) - You new combo'd on a blue tick while nothing special happens there, you have separate vocals and a drum in the same combo it's really bad rhythm choice. oops, that's my fault

01:48:416 (3) - no beat here, why a spaced triplet? empty the rhythm here will just increase unnecessary reading difficultys

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - unplayable, mixing 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 in the SAME section with plain circles should I give a replay to show it's playable?

visuals r not good.

01:52:116 (3,1) - patterns don't connect visually with each other, blanket being really noticeably off .
01:32:520 (2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - this looks like whack-a-mole, it's like just looks overly spaced, is making it hard to organize patterns. is non-polygon patterns illegal now? as far as I see most players can organize these patterns
and sure it looks overspaced, but for playing: not.
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

ok well ur attitude is exactly why i didnt even bother writing out why i think your map is bad, because you're clearly not willing to listen anyway so its a waste of both our time.
I repeat:
If your mod can touch me, I would follow your opinions. But unfortunately you can't, neither other new mods or ideas.
You can only mod something useless just like "bad" "bad" and "bad", and as you said, wasting time. I'm sad to see your modding skills like these.
Anyway, I respect your mapping style,no relationship with good or bad, also all of other mappers. I wish you can give more homage to others, too.
Opinions just opinions, advices just advices, you have no right to force others to be like you. That's your bad.
Good luck to you.
Now if your can't be more useful here, shut up, go away and cherish your BN authority please.
I don't want to see you anymore.

Edit:
Thanks to everyone who give me interesting and useful advises.
Thanks to everyone who love my(our) maps.
谢谢你们
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Syph
Beatmap Nominator
848 posts
ed August 2014

zev wrote: 36256w

Hey!, agreeing with @xexxar and mrsergio,

01:53:850 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - unplayable, mixing 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 in the SAME section with plain circles
haven't read everything but honestly think some of this stuff really doesn't make any sense especially the above, things like these are perfectly fine lol, no need to bold it either it really doesn't make a difference
think this is going a bit too far, can agree that the spacing is a bit too much but other than that this map rly is fine
let me know if you need a mod or something
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Kisses wrote: 45e28

This isn't the first time xexxar and mrsergio have popped bubbles based on subjective reasons and the basis that they just personally do not like the map. I do think it would be wise to stop popping for some silly aesthetic related reasons, not many ppl like the look of your maps xexxar believe it or not.

In your mods you should really be a lot more objective, also here's a tip - don't use so many question marks in mods, it's a bad habit
anyway i updated to fix some 'personal fix'... it seems like there are some misunderstanding between me and mrsergio so some fixes are not acceptable to me now. changed something back to make the latter progress more clearly.
Depths
681 posts
ed January 2014
I honestly see no problem with the set at all, just people trying to force their opinion onto others with subjective reasoning :/

Anyway, good luck here ~
Xexxar
913 posts
ed June 2013
[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

  1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt.
  2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency.
  3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid
  4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent?
  5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening? The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm.
  6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand.
  7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved.
  8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider?
  9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least.
  10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped
  11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place.
  12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?)
  13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle
  14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix.
  15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that design
  16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following.
  17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up.
  18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily.
  19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap
There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.
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KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013
good
why this time you can mod clearly? not wasting your time?
let me see is this useful or just some nonsenses.
I'll reply you here when I'm home, wait me
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio
I asked xexxar to help me gather his and MrSergio's points of current left popping reasons. So a clearer summary of the situation of the bubble-popping side may be given tomorrow. That would avoid more misunderstanding (well, that often show up with MrSergio) in the future I think.
Thanks to xexxar's help in advance!
Suisei Hosimati
3,049 posts
ed March 2013
That's why i tried to rank my maps asap before the bn tier system fucks up the entire mapping community
Misure
953 posts
ed September 2012
how could you see the map(s) is lack of structure? I can't understand that.
anyway, calm down plz
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
4,652 posts
ed May 2013

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

  1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt. Way too subjective...
  2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency. There's some truth to this. There is indeed a note, though I think the piano isn't as strong compared to others. mapping or or not mapping it, if the mapper has a good reason, this should be acceptable.
  3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid What?
  4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent?Doesn't seem necessary. I think it will post a reading hazard actually, if 1/4 repeats and streams use the same spacing. Here it might be okay, but other places kicksliders that look like streams can easily mislead ppl because when they are spaced like this, sometimes players can mistake slider-ends for circles, especially when the numbers are covered on streams.
  5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening? The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm. Consistency can be boring too. Taking creative liberties with streams is what a lot of people do. Look at stream maps, many of them use different spacings even tho you could argue that the invensity remains the same. The reason is for pattern diversity and expressiveness.
  6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand.
  7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved. Agreed
  8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider? This makes a lot of sense... Why can't it be a slider is the better question.
  9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least. Consistent visual, I can agree with.
  10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped Agreed
  11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place. Agreed. The slider design is unusual. A cleaner slider design can be utilized here.
  12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?) Not good to accuse the mapper of running out if ideas or stuff xP. Though polishing up sliders isn't a bad idea.
  13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle For that uh, tick on 01:04:081 -
  14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix. Maybe its just me, but is there actually a beat here? lol
  15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that designMapper probably just wanted to emphasize the held vocal sound here. It's quite common.
  16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following. Structure could be improved a bit yes. 3+5 and 2+4 can use the same visual spacing to make it cleaner.
  17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up. Eh, quite subjective, but reasonable. I don't think use of different blanket distances necessarily equates to a map looking unpolished though. Consistency doesn't guarantee a polished map.
  18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily. Agree, the overlap can be avoided without damaging the pattern.
  19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap Agree wit overmap.
There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.
Green: Agree with Xexxar
Red: Disagree, too-subjective.

There is some merit to what Xexxar is saying, though I think when you also map a song, you naturally become more biased towards how a song ought to be mapped, because the way you mapped it will naturally be seen as the "better" way to map. It's why I tend not to critique ppl who gd on my maps too much.

Haven't really taken a look at the higher diff yet, but if you guys are willing to discuss the issues presented without creating more drama, then I can help with the rebubbling process.
pw384
Beatmap Nominator
2,299 posts
ed January 2012

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

  1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt. :arrow: too subjective... that's okay from mapper's perspective.
  2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency. :arrow: not so since mapper also skip at 00:02:174 - 00:04:948 - 00:07:723 - . The mapper did it all right as he not only sticks to the so-called consistency but also managed to avoid overdone on pianissimo sound.
  3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid :arrow: I seems to have caught your idea but this is Expert diff
  4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent? :arrow: Not necessary. On one hand, the mapper has already succeeded making the stream consistent since 00:22:549 - is the slider end. On the other hand, the spacing is even 'more' consistent than your idea. Besides, I found no necessity to blame for the 'stream' consistency since 2147483647 maps use the same idea.
  5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening? The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm. :arrow: Apparent crescendo. No one is ever confined to follow only rhythm changes. 1/4 sliders are nice alternative to simply death screams. No one is ever asked to imprisoned in so-called consistency.
  6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand. :arrow: people map streams in different ways and there's no necessity for all of us to reach an agreement here... variety is what makes mapping fun.
  7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved. :arrow: too trivial imo
  8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider? :arrow: ...how come shall it not be a slider? I didn't catch your idea.
  9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least. :arrow: Yeah. dozen pixel downwards may make sense
  10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped :arrow: makes sense
  11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place. :arrow: maybe the mapper'd like to see a flow towards left and back to catch up with the next 3 circles
  12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?) :arrow: well, I find such slider shapes fun, with the first 3/4 rightward and last 1/4 leftward. The forth-back slider utilized here could not only reduce the actual movement player needs to do but also indicate some changes in music. Also, the curved design feels quite in line with the vocal
  13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle :arrow: 01:01:480 - to 01:07:029 - forms a full music phrase. Undoubtedly, a break between phrases is better than a break with the same length within a single phrase, and that's why that's a better choice if you map 01:04:081 - and skip 01:06:856 -
  14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix. :arrow: You might want to grab a new pair of headphones. Or we have met a ppppppppianissimo note
  15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that design :arrow: extended sliders used to be common practices to emphasize something before today's 1/2s for PP. It's normal some people might not know this nowaday.
  16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following. :arrow: Agree. 3,4,5,6 are relatively ugly imo.
  17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up. :arrow: who cares when playing though I'd suggest some adjustment at 01:28:879 (7,2) -
  18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily. :arrow: yeah x=512, y=276 is better.
  19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap :arrow: this is true
There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.
agreement | disagreement
umm some points are not that valid, as consistency is a good thing but not a necessity, let alone this map itself is consistent to some extent...
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

Xexxar wrote: 5a2638

[Kaedeka's Extra]
In general your map suffers from inconsistent rhythms and poor usage of aesthetics. Your map is also very center focused and can improve its usage of the total map space.

  1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I understand that you're making cute little flower's / hexagons whatever, this is a pretty boring section with alot more going on then what you provide in your map. While it's not essential to change this, it can still benefit from patterns that better follow the rhythm instead of just being hexagons. For instance, it seems like you're mapping the piano-esq sound in the background but you're skipping beats such as 00:02:174 - when it is there rhythmically but 00:04:948 - isnt.
    I know and I also have considered this kind of plan as you say. insane and ultra have done this, I do not have to repeat it, it looks boring if 3 difficult diffs are same at the beginning;
    like 00:02:174, yes here is a piano sound, I think that isn't loud enough to add a circle; then about 00:04:948, what? here has sound ?
  2. 00:13:272 - skipped rhythm makes no sense and is only done for pattern consistency.
    the same with 00:02:174
  3. 00:19:861 (1) - might want to stop this spinner on 00:21:249 - to avoid
    this you have only half of the truth. if I stop here, how to show the second voice ? blank seems not good. An other spinner? crazy. let auto can OK ? So I choose to cover all.
  4. 00:21:942 (1,1,2,3,4) - why not make visual overlap on 1 to the stream consistent?
    meaningless question. At the end of this kickslider, I set the same distance with the next stream to let players read and catch easily.
  5. why is the spacing changing between 00:22:636 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5) - when there is nothing rhythmically happening?
    you are right, I'll let this part in the same spacing
    The 1/4th slider choice seems out of place as well considering theres really nothing rhythmically there to warrant it except for the drum beat, but that follows a 1/1 rhythm not a 2/1 rhythm.
  6. While we're on that topic, can you explain your usage of 1/4ths during this stream section completely? I don't really understand.
    The 1/4th slider just used to let players catch where disconnected, and underline the piano, as Sergio's advice.
    You say you are agree with Sergio, at last you don't understand what you agree with him. hmmm...
  7. 00:30:266 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - don't you think this curve can be visually improved.
    yes, thx for this pick
  8. 00:33:214 (2) - why is this a slider?
    I have a new idea at 00:33:387 (1,2,3,4), thx for this pick. I would use short sliders to reflect the drum at 00:33:041, 00:33:214, 00:33:387, 00:33:561
  9. 00:34:255 (2,3,4) - what is the reasoning behind the placement of these notes http://puu.sh/uVq9d/ff2f34d892.jpg ? why not make them consistently spaced apart at the least.
    please make clear that we are talking about extra, not hard. 00:34:255 (2) here has a loud piano but 00:34:428 (3,4) are drum, they are different, I need different spacing to let players know.
  10. 00:42:578 (4) - overmapped
    guitar chord always have 4 consecutive tones. listen carefully please
  11. 00:48:994 (5) - why this slider design, seems random and out of place.
    listen carefully please I start this slider at 00:48:994 piano and end at 00:49:515, it has a low volume sound and suitable for the end.
  12. 01:01:480 (1) - is this design purely because you ran out of room for a more conventional structure? Perhaps adjusting the placement of the previous notes would allow for better slider structure. (why in general are you using intentionally inconsistent 1/1 sliders?)
    intentionally inconsistent can give me more free composition space. when I need consistent, of cose I will.
    I need 01:00:786 (1,2,3,4) completely overlapping to 00:58:705 (1,2,3,4) , then this song goes in a new part, so I let this slider flow reverse.
  13. 01:03:908 (5) - is a slider when 01:06:682 (4) - is a circle
    I know your mean, thx for this pick
  14. 01:03:734 - how come you ignored a beat? 01:07:723 (3) - what are the purpose of these anti-jumps in this section? they're not consistent, please fix.
    you are right. fixed
  15. 01:19:515 (1) - how come 3/4 here? i dont really see what intensity change warranted that design
    full of 1/2 too boring, and contrast 01:19:861, the drum here too low to snap. I want to take the vocal here
  16. 01:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are using a visual pattern like this? http://puu.sh/uVrgx/1a96cb2945.jpg everything is so cluttered and not structured in a way that looks good at all. Your objects are randomly spaced apart from eachother because of awkward overlapping rules that you're following.
    cluttered? so you need what? everything looks neatly arranged in regular polygons?
    listen carefully on the CADENCE of the rhythms and drums, and how singer singing. maybe you can't understand even if i explained.
  17. Lets count the # of distances you have use for blankets, 1 01:31:133 (2,5) - , 2 01:28:879 (7,2) - , 3 01:29:919 (3,5) - this all looks unpolished and unprofessional. Consider cleaning this up.
    Monstrata have point out my opinions
  18. 01:47:087 (1,3) - why are you overlapping like this? it looks poor and can be avoided easily.
    yes, here is my bad. fixed
  19. 01:50:729 (1,2,1,2,3) - dis is overmap
    I don't know what your mean of "dis". and I it that this stream has a little over. but I think here is a good place to add a stream nearly the end of this song.
There is a lot more I could complain about aesthetically and why you do dumb 1/3rd jumps on such a calm song but I'll leave this as it is. This map is very ugly and I do not believe it to be meeting the quality expected of ranked maps as is. Having explained my point I hope you are satisfied for why I am popping this map.
Thank you for your mod, some of your opinion really good for me but some are not. I have explained my point where and why I disagree with you.
I must point out you behavior makes many mappers hate you. You have a lot of ways to express your point of view but unfortunately, you choose the worst way to makes you look like a messy tiny. Many times you are asking someone else to follow your thoughts. However, no one can be the truth. You can't.
I also can post you some tirades into your maps with my subjective opinion just like what you have done before, say your maps are very ugly. but it never can be helpful. Subjective opinion too subjective would lose its meaning.
Please use reasonable means and respect others' opinions and feelings. This is the bottom line of life.
Unfortunately. Reflect on what you did before. You need to be a qualified person before you be a modder, mapper and BN. Not like a mapping police

Edit:
Thank you Monstrata and 384. I did not see your reply because I was just writing my own reply.
Shiirn
2,896 posts
ed August 2010
Do note that these people who are trying to improve your map and make you better at what you do are not trying to force you to follow their opinions; they're trying to bring you back to reality. A disagreeing opinion is not an attack, no matter how indignant and offended you get.

The issues with this map are conceptual, not based on each individual note. The map is treading the line of sanity as to what constitutes "the music", for the sake of having long streams and high spacing. I can tell you're trying to be special and make the map emotionally powerful for both the player and any modders. But you can do special without being stupid. This map isn't special, it's stupid. There's a difference.

For example, for 00:22:636 - to 00:33:734 - , both the top diff and kaedaka's use an overmapped stream to help with the buildup, but they both do it in completely irrational ways - imoutosan just has streams with 1/8 sliders put for small breaks with no rhythmic purpose, while kaedaka's stream has 1/8 sliders that seem to be following the chimes but don't always follow them and the stream patterns are completely off?


for kaedaka:

In the stream there, the chime sounds at:

00:24:544 -
00:25:064 -
00:25:411 -
00:25:931 -
00:26:104 -
00:26:624 -
00:26:798 -
00:27:318 -
00:27:492 -
00:28:185 -
and this pattern repeats

like i can tell you want to follow the chime because you do so fairly interestingly at 00:29:399 (7,1,2,1) - , but you literally don't do it every other time when it would actually make the section really cool and actually play pretty well.

This kind of mistake in emphasis and power is scattered all over the map in nearly every difficulty.

The problem here isn't with the map being overmapped. It's that it's being done wrong. And people are trying to help you do it right. They're not telling you to give up on the map entirely. You can fix this and make it great. It just requires itting that help is probably a good idea.
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

Shiirn wrote: 4dp13

Do note that these people who are trying to improve your map and make you better at what you do are not trying to force you to follow their opinions; they're trying to bring you back to reality. A disagreeing opinion is not an attack, no matter how indignant and offended you get.

The issues with this map are conceptual, not based on each individual note. The map is treading the line of sanity as to what constitutes "the music", for the sake of having long streams and high spacing. I can tell you're trying to be special and make the map emotionally powerful for both the player and any modders. But you can do special without being stupid. This map isn't special, it's stupid. There's a difference.

For example, for 00:22:636 - to 00:33:734 - , both the top diff and kaedaka's use an overmapped stream to help with the buildup, but they both do it in completely irrational ways - imoutosan just has streams with 1/8 sliders put for small breaks with no rhythmic purpose, while kaedaka's stream has 1/8 sliders that seem to be following the chimes but don't always follow them and the stream patterns are completely off?


for kaedaka:

In the stream there, the chime sounds at:

00:24:544 -
00:25:064 -
00:25:411 -
00:25:931 -
00:26:104 -
00:26:624 -
00:26:798 -
00:27:318 -
00:27:492 -
00:28:185 -
and this pattern repeats

like i can tell you want to follow the chime because you do so fairly interestingly at 00:29:399 (7,1,2,1) - , but you literally don't do it every other time when it would actually make the section really cool and actually play pretty well.

This kind of mistake in emphasis and power is scattered all over the map in nearly every difficulty.

The problem here isn't with the map being overmapped. It's that it's being done wrong. And people are trying to help you do it right. They're not telling you to give up on the map entirely. You can fix this and make it great. It just requires itting that help is probably a good idea.
Thank you for your advice, Shiirn.
In my opinion, maybe here is still a subjective. I need more time to think about it.
When I have new idea or changed the mind I will post here.
Too late now at UTC+8. I need sleep.
By the way, I'm not angry with their's mod, but the despicable tricks on dirty way. I never hate anyone, nor angry with anyone. But this time I finally see what kind of person he is.

Edit: For a few days thinking I decided no change. Now this state is the best for me. Thank you everyone.
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schoolboy
571 posts
ed July 2016
is this rly ayane?
such different voice lol...
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Komore wrote: 2843d

is this rly ayane?
such different voice lol...
I guess it isn't...
Xexxar
913 posts
ed June 2013
its a different ayane. you can tell by the metadata (non romanized)
_Yiiiii
475 posts
ed February 2015
我越来越喜欢这图了XD
P.S.感觉还是当初开头串塞爆的爽
Rizia
3,114 posts
ed January 2012
just few thing

[PinkHeart's Insane]
00:57:838 (4,5) - 這裡有點奇怪a

[Kaedeka's Extra]
00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 比前後的ds都小呢 有原因嗎
00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - same
01:41:798 - 這個音太突出了 要不縮短到 01:41:711 -

[Istoria]
01:22:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - imo 這樣放也挺有趣的 01:22:809 (2,3,4) - 被遮了感覺有點不太舒服
SPOILER

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Rizia wrote: 3d2f6d

just few thing

[PinkHeart's Insane]
00:57:838 (4,5) - 這裡有點奇怪a 改了个正常的节奏

[Istoria]
01:22:809 (2,3,4,1,2,3) - imo 這樣放也挺有趣的 01:22:809 (2,3,4) - 被遮了感覺有點不太舒服 好啊
SPOILER

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff
大爷又神游了 我来改
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
ed January 2013

Rizia wrote: 3d2f6d

just few thing

[Kaedeka's Extra]
00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 比前後的ds都小呢 有原因嗎
00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - same
用了一些花式的不一样的音效音量和间距
01:41:798 - 這個音太突出了 要不縮短到 01:41:711 -
我认为01:41:798这个音足够长到01:41:798

for me, its a great mapset
tho a bit sad on no easy diff
thank you~
Sonnyc
7,774 posts
ed June 2008
Normal.
01:55:931 (1,4) - Stacks are notably off.

Hard.
00:38:243 (2,3) - I see several jump usages done in strong beats of the song but this part of the song felt quite weaker to have a jump concept ed. Using a regular spacing would fit better.

Istoria.
Mind elaborating how this diff name is related with the song?
Why is the hp drain 9? Well it is technically able by a well performed play enough, but I think it is way too harsh in this map especially for the first half. The rhythm density isn't really high which causes a constant drop of the hp. After the break, a continuous stream section including spaced streams appear, and then the rhythm density drops again. Making even a small mistake makes the play instantly fail, and even if the play managed to the stream section barely, the loss of rhythmic density didn't really made me alive.
Great diff.

Will be finishing the mod later on, I'm not done yet.
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Sonnyc wrote: 491l5w

Istoria.
Mind elaborating how this diff name is related with the song?
The game's translated name is Istoria of Suisou Ginka. Istoria (as 'history') means the story of the game.
Why is the hp drain 9? Well it is technically able by a well performed play enough, but I think it is way too harsh in this map especially for the first half. The rhythm density isn't really high which causes a constant drop of the hp. After the break, a continuous stream section including spaced streams appear, and then the rhythm density drops again. Making even a small mistake makes the play instantly fail, and even if the play managed to the stream section barely, the loss of rhythmic density didn't really made me alive.
Asked for more tests and changed to 8 now.
Misure
953 posts
ed September 2012
fixed stuff in hard diff
thx Sonnyc :)

Codesu 
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Sonnyc
7,774 posts
ed June 2008
Kaedeka's Extra.
  1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:05:989 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:14:312 (1,2,3,4) - Since the song was similar having similar pattern usage was a good thing to see but m can I ask why you've chose different spacing concepts each? Well if it was done for variety, then at least can you consider making the spacing concept of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - to something like 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - ? Having a close spacing there felt a bit less matching the song when the song was kinda getting louder after there. Optional.
  2. 00:22:636 - I think the rhythms of this stream section could be improved. Right now, I'm not really sure how each parts are meant to follow the song each part. For example, piano sounds consistently appeared after a 1/4 slider as 00:25:931 (7,1) - 00:27:318 (7,1) - 00:29:399 (7,1) - 00:30:093 (7,1) - 00:30:786 (7,1) - 00:32:174 (7,1) - was done. But the same rhythm choice also appears at 00:23:156 (7,1) - 00:23:850 (7,1) - where the music is having a different feature. This made the rhythm choice for the pianos not really effective as they weren't only used for that particular part of the song. Also keeping the piano beat expressing rhythms in mind, 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - were having slightly different in rhythms while the song was pretty similar with the ones I've mentioned before. So yeah, I think this section could be rhythmically improved since it feels a bit arbitrary right now imo, but if there is something that I didn't saw your point, please let me know.
  3. 01:03:561 - Missing whistle.
so let me know when stuffs are all addressed.
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Sonnyc wrote: 491l5w

Kaedeka's Extra.
  1. 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:03:214 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:05:989 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - 00:14:312 (1,2,3,4) - Since the song was similar having similar pattern usage was a good thing to see but m can I ask why you've chose different spacing concepts each? Well if it was done for variety, then at least can you consider making the spacing concept of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - to something like 00:00:440 (1,2,3,4,5) - ? Having a close spacing there felt a bit less matching the song when the song was kinda getting louder after there. Optional. changed the spacing and volume arrange of 00:11:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - .
  2. 00:22:636 - I think the rhythms of this stream section could be improved. Right now, I'm not really sure how each parts are meant to follow the song each part. For example, piano sounds consistently appeared after a 1/4 slider as 00:25:931 (7,1) - 00:27:318 (7,1) - 00:29:399 (7,1) - 00:30:093 (7,1) - 00:30:786 (7,1) - 00:32:174 (7,1) - was done. But the same rhythm choice also appears at 00:23:156 (7,1) - 00:23:850 (7,1) - where the music is having a different feature. This made the rhythm choice for the pianos not really effective as they weren't only used for that particular part of the song. Also keeping the piano beat expressing rhythms in mind, 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - were having slightly different in rhythms while the song was pretty similar with the ones I've mentioned before. So yeah, I think this section could be rhythmically improved since it feels a bit arbitrary right now imo, but if there is something that I didn't saw your point, please let me know.
    changed some rhythms like 00:28:705 (7) - or 00:31:480 (7) - to follow the piano better. However kept the short slider in 00:23:850 (15,1) - to control the overall difficulty. As for difference of 00:26:451 (5,6,1) - 00:28:705 (7,8,1) - 00:31:480 (7,8,1) - , these streams are placed with slightly increasing spacing to show the tone. Rhythm differences are shown by NCs and hitsound so I think this is addressed.
  3. 01:03:561 - Missing whistle. added
so let me know when stuffs are all addressed.
Kaedaka got busy with his work irl so he let me to fix his diff. Guess it looks fine now.
Sonnyc
7,774 posts
ed June 2008
Nominated.
UndeadCapulet
1,100 posts
ed April 2013
ty sonnyc
(also ty koiyuki and smallboat for earlier icons)
<3
Rizia
3,114 posts
ed January 2012
qualified
UndeadCapulet
1,100 posts
ed April 2013
in reply to whoever
no its not too hard :<
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio
Not hard to maybe.
Sorry. still too hard to .
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Shad0w1and
1,586 posts
ed April 2011
/me eat popcorn :roll:
Nao Tomori
osu! Alumni
3,078 posts
ed December 2014
the intro stream cant be overspaced if the rest of the map is also overspaced with it, then it's just proportional :v
Miquella
462 posts
ed September 2015
:v
ztrot
osu! Alumni
4,378 posts
ed February 2008
Not sure how viable this is but guys this mp3 is pretty bad, it is way to loud it clearly is louder than most the songs in my osu! lemme show you what I mean
with a bit of normalization it would be loads better! Also the last diff on this thing is legit silly it is pure pp fodder actually never mind that it is just overmapped to hell and doesn't even remotely fit the music so maybe rethink putting it in the set maybe have it as a only idk this is qualified so someone had to think this was a good idea. Just makes little sense to me to see legit clustercore maps going through for the same reason some maps are held back. If you go with the audio change and I really hope you do here is a normalized version of your mp3 http://puu.sh/waNPk/7ce60aa26d.mp3
currently:


What it should look like:
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

ztrot wrote: 1s6e

Not sure how viable this is but guys this mp3 is pretty bad, it is way to loud it clearly is louder than most the songs in my osu! lemme show you what I mean
with a bit of normalization it would be loads better! Also the last diff on this thing is legit silly it is pure pp fodder and doesn't even remotely fit the music so maybe rethink putting it in the set maybe have it as a only idk this is qualified so someone had to think this was a good idea. Just makes little sense to me to see legit cluster pp core maps going through for the same reason some maps are held back.
The last diff is not pp fodder at all since most players can't even it... :roll:
And added another version of osz with your mp3 to creator words. Thanks for help!
Although seems not necessary but current version is already the most reliable one I guess
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Shad0w1and
1,586 posts
ed April 2011
mp3 is fine. otherwise hundreds of ranked mp3s proceed by me have the same problem.
Miquella
462 posts
ed September 2015
wd
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Mao
Elite Mapper II
2,963 posts
ed December 2012
Hey, I had a look at your highest diff and find some of the decisiond you made questionable regarding readability and the song.

00:30:960 (1) - How do you justify the spaced streams starting at this point? I see that you want to express the buildup but still, this is such a calm section and I could argue that personally to me this is one of the hardest spikes in the map.
01:33:561 (2,3,4) - This triple is barely audible in the music, why would you space it that much. I'd go for a really low spacing actually to reflect the music here.
01:39:630 (1,2,3,4) - This comes without proper introduction as it's the first 1/6 rhythm in the map and looks visually exactly the same as your other spaced 1/8 streams and triples which makes it very surprising when first encountered. I'd recommend you to use another spacing for 1/3 or introduce it properly with a slider first.
01:47:954 (1,2,3,4) - What happened here? Even though this is introduced by a 1/6 slider, this is nowhere close to intuitive as 01:48:416 (3) - is weirdly hiddden under 1 and 2,4 are closer to eachother. You never made a pattern like this before and suddenly expect people to be able to read it? I'd just go for normal spacing as the song doesn't even do something that special there.
01:51:596 (2,1) - Very small 1/2 spacing after giant jumps and a spaced triple following isn't a good idea here, I'd say. You had all this spaced 1/3 and giant jumps before which could make this easily misunderstandable. Also, I still don't get why you'd space it as giant.
01:53:850 (2,3,4,1) - And now we are switching back to 1/3 jump shenanigans? Basically the same as before, this comes out of nowhere and is extremely misleading.

Also due to your gigantic buildup jumps I dislike how some of the more important beats get less emphasis than some less important notes.
Moreover to be completely honest with you, I feel like this map was only made to be difficult without keeping the music and playability in mind at some points.
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