I'd say I'm pretty decent at rice maps (can play 6* maps consistently)

However, I can't, and by that I mean I can't for the LIFE OF ME even play 3* LN maps even on a good session (I need to PRAY to even get a 90% on them)

Any form of help would be greatly appreciated as I try to get better at this "skillset"

play easy LN release and focus on tryna get consistent and play with acc in mind heavily and try to just do good with release LN lol. play w scorev2 if on stable. then try to transition those skills into slightly harder non relase LN stuff and sorta try to get S ranks

idk if thatll work but thats what id do, im a 6k main so its different for me

Ok there is a lot of types of LN patterns to be bad at, ngl. It probably takes more focus that jumpstream to hit properly, first of all. Second of all, it requires a whole different finger independence imo, especially when doing LN-dense hybrid (just LN hybrid with as much LNs, if not more, as rice). And third of all, there simply are more ways to read them than there ever will be rice patterns, which is unironically why I like them so much more than most rice patterns - because they're a hundred times more interesting to play.

Now ofc, the only way to get good at LN is to play LN. That said, I do think at the 3* level, the main LN skillset you need to learn is the rhythmic part of LN (tho my only point of reference when writing this is a Rainy Boots ranked map and a few other 3* and low 4* I played). Usually, all LN heads need to be tapped with the same spacings in time. As well, LN tails usually tend to be released at the same time as needing to hit another note. If not, it usually is with the same timing as you are hitting them. It's not always like this since there may be the occasional 1/4 LN, which in those cases I just treat as a normal note (albeit I hesitate a bit to release my finger).

I think it's also pretty normal to be psyched out by an LN in the middle of a rice (especially stream) pattern, especially a short one or LN chord, or a normal note in an LN pattern. That's when it simply relies on familiarity.

The final goal of LN, or how I so interpret it, is this:
- Treat LN Heads like completely normal notes
- Treat LN Bodies like they do not exist (but still hold the key down)
- Read LN Tails as the space that comes after an LN ends rather than the tail itself (I do not mean use a percy skin by this, I don't lol. I mean that it's easier and more beneficial to read the empty space that comes after an LN than the LN tail)

All that said, I kinda want to see a replay of you trying to do LN, both full LN and LN Hybrid, or just simply know in what situation you miss or get terrible accuracy on LN. It's one of those things where a lot of bad habits can exist that are hard to notice. In fact, there was this really old forum I just kinda projected my previous LN struggles on (community/forums/topics/1992743?n=1) where I just list the ways I miss on LN so much and still tend to do, but noticeably less than before. (Edit: do not revive that forum lol, I am simply referencing it)

i forgor about that lol

anyways just curious since you seem educated in 4k LN, is there release LN on 4k? and if there is, is it similar to 6k/7k release LN?

Slowpoke1135 wrote: 2k1j3l

i forgor about that lol

anyways just curious since you seem educated in 4k LN, is there release LN on 4k? and if there is, is it similar to 6k/7k release LN?

ok so i took a look at some of ur top plays of songs that actually use LN (snow mix, S.O.S., The Dove for what less LN is like) and also some 4* 7k LN.

...I am so going to get memed on for this. *heave* they genuinely look the same as 4k, but not in a direct way. I think it's more so a familiarity/expectation that n number of notes will exist during this pattern and the pattern looks the way I expect it too, just hit them with the right timing and you're (I'm) good. Basically, if I disregard the fact there's more lanes, the way LNs are mapped looks the same, no magic new game-changing patterns found.

But I think the difference is that when people try to map harder 4k LN, they have to go through the harder types of LN patterns more quickly, hence you see multiple LN skills like full LN and weird ahh LN hybrid all be around 4.7* when it was not even 0.5* ago you were trying to do much simpler LN hybrid (I don't think this is just a specific maps thing, tho feel free to challenge me on that).
What makes me especially feel that way tho is that the hard LN pattern of snow mix seems to be LN stream, but then because of the fact more lanes exist you can instead introduce jumps and chords while keeping a stream instead of some weird jump/splittrill shenanigan that is usually a part of 4K jumpstreams LNified, which would be around 5* if I'm being generous.

TL:DR - it exists. It's just different from 6k and 7k, tho it realistically all looks the same when disregarding lane count. Idk my mind just reads it as "that lane needs to be held down", nothing less, sometimes something more due to different LN patterns but it is just something I feel from 4k LN.

release LN, not normal. i know normal LN exists on 4k, i was just askinf as part of what makws release LN so har is the akward movement but you only can swap finger on 4k (i get theres some 4k lanes pattern on 6k thats hard but thats because you gotta be ready for the extra 2 lanes)

also for normal LN, its important to make the distinction between ranked and map pack since ranked is just your usual everything while map pack is basically lots of jacks of all kinds, and LN map pack charts are basically o2jam charting but good because for exmaple same noises have consistsnt chords. if you wanna compare release LN on map pack which was more i was think of then here, refer to < 3 star charts

beatmapsets/1163917
beatmapsets/1142043

for more normal LN, heres a 4.2 star

beatmapsets/1979499 every under 4 star here is rellease LN

SwagBoyOnOsu wrote: 1m6p54

Ok there is a lot of types of LN patterns to be bad at, ngl. It probably takes more focus that jumpstream to hit properly, first of all. Second of all, it requires a whole different finger independence imo, especially when doing LN-dense hybrid (just LN hybrid with as much LNs, if not more, as rice). And third of all, there simply are more ways to read them than there ever will be rice patterns, which is unironically why I like them so much more than most rice patterns - because they're a hundred times more interesting to play.

Now ofc, the only way to get good at LN is to play LN. That said, I do think at the 3* level, the main LN skillset you need to learn is the rhythmic part of LN (tho my only point of reference when writing this is a Rainy Boots ranked map and a few other 3* and low 4* I played). Usually, all LN heads need to be tapped with the same spacings in time. As well, LN tails usually tend to be released at the same time as needing to hit another note. If not, it usually is with the same timing as you are hitting them. It's not always like this since there may be the occasional 1/4 LN, which in those cases I just treat as a normal note (albeit I hesitate a bit to release my finger).

I think it's also pretty normal to be psyched out by an LN in the middle of a rice (especially stream) pattern, especially a short one or LN chord, or a normal note in an LN pattern. That's when it simply relies on familiarity.

The final goal of LN, or how I so interpret it, is this:
- Treat LN Heads like completely normal notes
- Treat LN Bodies like they do not exist (but still hold the key down)
- Read LN Tails as the space that comes after an LN ends rather than the tail itself (I do not mean use a percy skin by this, I don't lol. I mean that it's easier and more beneficial to read the empty space that comes after an LN than the LN tail)

All that said, I kinda want to see a replay of you trying to do LN, both full LN and LN Hybrid, or just simply know in what situation you miss or get terrible accuracy on LN. It's one of those things where a lot of bad habits can exist that are hard to notice. In fact, there was this really old forum I just kinda projected my previous LN struggles on (community/forums/topics/1992743?n=1) where I just list the ways I miss on LN so much and still tend to do, but noticeably less than before. (Edit: do not revive that forum lol, I am simply referencing it)

Thank you for the advice, I'll try to keep them in mind the next time I play

I played a couple of LN maps as reference, and I've deduced that I mostly have trouble with full LN patterns, completely releasing every note early and consequently mindblocking and hitting the entire pattern incorrectly. Hybrid I can deal with for the most part but I do sometimes mess up every now and then lmao

Slowpoke1135 wrote: 2k1j3l

beatmapsets/1979499 every under 4 star here is rellease LN

Ah, these. Ngl, that 2.97* looks hella fun.
So imma be using your definition of normal LN, which I think I understand. It's just very different from mine.
So as far as packs go (and I limited it to under 4*), no not really. Albeit I do not have many packs, so take it with a grain of salt. At most, both first songs of the Felt LN collections do this type of LN. Otherwise, it's either normal LN patterns, short LN patterns, or large walls of LN that technically are LN release but simply are not under 4*.

If I were to not limit myself to packs, this type of LN appears in some ranked songs to be the most hype part of the song, usually 4.7*+. I don't know or own a lot of graveyarded maps so I can't speak much on outside packs. I'll just say a few maps I like, even if there's "normal LN" aspects to them (I'm linking them with no regard to what difficulty I linked):
beatmapsets/2042525#mania/4262158
beatmapsets/1566347#mania/3198320
beatmapsets/2310325#mania/5021878
I really do think that regardless of some maps being "Normal LN", they're still amazing for release practice.

Zephirox wrote: 3v534n

I played a couple of LN maps as reference, and I've deduced that I mostly have trouble with full LN patterns, completely releasing every note early and consequently mindblocking and hitting the entire pattern incorrectly. Hybrid I can deal with for the most part but I do sometimes mess up every now and then lmao

Neat! Something tells me you may not take long at all to get used to it lol.

my brother i had this exact same issue, got to about 8k global with not a lick of LN's, always told myself it was because i just didn't like them but realistically it was because i sucked. though now after dedicating hours i can say it's my favourite skillset. in my personal advice this is gonna sound cliche but just playing LN's was the way i improved, but i would recommend ing some full LN map packs as for me at least my biggest struggle was building the muscle memory to hold down one note while pressing another and i'd imagine that's a pretty universal issue.

i dont think im quite versed enough to give good advice or extremely direct for that matter, all i can really say is some low star practice form maps to address the main issues you have with LN and practice those, working in normal low star ranked maps with a solid density of LN's ( 60 - 70% minimum is solid )

this might be terrible advice so take it how you will LOL, fact of the matter is that i really do love LN and i'd like everyone to do so aswell, experiment with different skins ( percy is a whole other subset that i wouldn't recommend when learning but would potentially in the future ) and have fun along the way, its a grind and i know how demoralising it is going from ss'ing 5* maps to barely a ranking a 1.87* LN map, YOU GOT THIS

copy paste link to my advicr thread lol

also heres anadvice thread of mine, it has LN near the top