Allow BN to Qualify map with only 1 BN, impossible to rank, just shows up in qualified section to give people more visibility what maps is about to rank and can give more -> make it optional so BN who don't want use it can still use old nominate button which doesn't qualify.

can auto pop it after 30 days or something.

add a new filter for 1 nom vs 2 nom in qualified section map search


Benefit:
1. if map were to get veto, 2nd BN is not involved, saved from all trouble
2. if map were to get minor suggestion like meta or something, mapper is more likely to change since its less stressful than with current qualified system knowing its about to rank in 7 days if u just reject it.
3. players less mad cuz the map they like to play in 7 days is now blocked by QA/veto
4. if map isn't veto after longer time in qualified, its safe to say it wont get veto so 2nd BN has no stress to nom it.
5. 1st BN gets benefit of ranking more maps cuz 2nd BN has less risk
6. if no one is willing to be 1st BN for a map, then it wont get ranked, avoid veto and drama
7. less stress for someone to veto a map with 1 BN nom, cuz less people are frustrated about it.

Risk:
if you aren't willing to risk a veto as 1st BN u shouldn't nom this map.

I feel like this is not needed as if a BN wanted they can go ahead and ask.

+ we have a way to ask other BNs for anything we are unsure of

also, one BN having less risk is bound to create problems since BNs will always prefer going 2nd instead of first regardless of how confident they are instead of it being equal

I don't believe just because a map has been vetod with 1 BN nom that it would cause any less stress or less interaction from the community as the mapper and that BN are still affected by it which brings it back to the previous point of only 2nd BN benefitting from this which does not seem fair or equal

Seems to overcomplicate qualifying a map in my opinion.

its an ups and downs

for ups that I can think: its less frustrating. As what stated in proposal, some/most mappers always gets 2nd BN and take more than months to get 1st one(most likely not confident with the map)

for the downs: the map quality. Having only 1 BN to qualify tends to have a room of errors specially when there's no 2nd BN to re-check everything( tho there are some several ways for this to solve via re-check during qualify section and from BN server )

but this proposal sounds interesting...

Damaree wrote: 3i3s3u

its an ups and downs

for ups that I can think: its less frustrating. As what stated in proposal, some/most mappers always gets 2nd BN and take more than months to get 1st one(most likely not confident with the map)

for the downs: the map quality. Having only 1 BN to qualify tends to have a room of errors specially when there's no 2nd BN to re-check everything( tho there are some several ways for this to solve via re-check during qualify section and from BN server )

but this proposal sounds interesting...

the final quality of map is increased, cuz u spend more time in qualify and thus get more , and still require 2 BN to nom

I think if the pending page sorted by number of nominations as a default would be as effective imo. Maybe give maps that have a single nomination a leaderboard since that's the appeal of the qualified section aside from the visibility, tho is wouldn't not argue for or against that idea

Worthlessnut9 wrote: 6s2b1w

I think if the pending page sorted by number of nominations as a default would be as effective imo. Maybe give maps that have a single nomination a leaderboard since that's the appeal of the qualified section aside from the visibility, tho is wouldn't not argue for or against that idea

im aware of this but lot of players are not aware of this, rather have a better system for visibility, even if you sort it by default, its still pending section and players just dont care about that section.

leaderboard is to help with PP concern veto

maybe have maps that have 1 nomination still say pending but sort into the qualified section, what do you think of that?

Worthlessnut9 wrote: 6s2b1w

maybe have maps that have 1 nomination still say pending but sort into the qualified section, what do you think of that?

i dont like the pending status, its confusing with the other pending map with 0 nom, maybe alpha? and current qualify is beta?

I personally think this is, overall, an overcomplication for a problem that may or may not exist. Or that may better be tackled in other ways.

If the purpose of these changes is to improve visibility, I'd suggest exploring the option of adding more Notification settings on s' profiles. Right now, we only have the option to receive notifications for Disqualifications and Problems in Qualified maps in any of the 4 modes.

This could be expanded to Nominations, keeping s in the loop of what maps get Nominated, without arbitrarily changing the order in the Pending tab, which I believe would be counter-intuitive.

RandomeLoL wrote: 6j2w4

I personally think this is, overall, an overcomplication for a problem that may or may not exist. Or that may better be tackled in other ways.

If the purpose of these changes is to improve visibility, I'd suggest exploring the option of adding more Notification settings on s' profiles. Right now, we only have the option to receive notifications for Disqualifications and Problems in Qualified maps in any of the 4 modes.

This could be expanded to Nominations, keeping s in the loop of what maps get Nominated, without arbitrarily changing the order in the Pending tab, which I believe would be counter-intuitive.

i dont think most players would go out of their way to get notified on every map that receive 1 nom. there's better visibility when u just shove it in their face. your suggestion is targeted to people who want to actively QA

Having a "nominated maps" in beatmap section would also be a good option since the current one is nominated maps are being mixed with pending ones.

As I mentioned in the veto thread, vetoes are only there if a map garners enough attention, usually, they don't. Same goes for qualified maps. If it's fine, no one would check it.

If your new qualified section co-exists with the existing qualified section, how exactly can you entice people to play/check the new qualified section? The existing qualified section already doesn't have many people checking them, so I don't think adding this new qualified section works.

I think that the question above is the thing you should consider when proposing this system where it assumes that people are gonna actively QA your new qualified section.

SupaV wrote: 1g335n

As I mentioned in the veto thread, vetoes are only there if a map garners enough attention, usually, they don't. Same goes for qualified maps. If it's fine, no one would check it.

If your new qualified section co-exists with the existing qualified section, how exactly can you entice people to play/check the new qualified section? The existing qualified section already doesn't have many people checking them, so I don't think adding this new qualified section works.

I think that the question above is the thing you should consider when proposing this system where it assumes that people are gonna actively QA your new qualified section.

my proposal isnt aimed at solving the problem that not many people look at existing qualify section, its not trying to encourage more people to QA.

im just trying to save time for 2nd BN and improve efficiency.

my assumption isnt more people will QA qualified, my assumption is if a map is bound to be QA during 2 nom qualify then it will be QA for 1 nom qualify since we are just increasing time map spends in qualify section

to be clear im not proposing we add a new section and call it qualify1 and qualify2
its still same section we just add more maps to it, which has 1 nom instead of 2 nom

my stance is QA and veto shouldn't exist at all, just let things be broken, fix them after ranked or ignore the mistakes and push more stuff instead

+1

I think pushing solo BN activity is beneficial since this co-dependency of always needing 2 BNs has a lot of drawbacks. While there's no point in doing solo nominations right now since map doesn't really get any visibility, putting it into the qualified without being able to rank at least let people play the map and give further on it from the playerbase perspective which is something lots of people have been asking about but no one seems to be getting any concrete method on how to do it.

On one hand I like the idea as it would bring back the times when people actually nominated maps without a second bn being ready, I find it’s more fun to just get noms out of the way and let the second person qualify when they are ready.

On the other hand I do see this becoming a list akin to high star priority maps. Where a map just sits in a limbo state where it’s technically rankable but people don’t want to qualify it.

I do know in standard we do not have a real list of maps that are nominated - in the sense I as a bn can go actual look for maps that have already have a bubble and qualify. It’s just mapper requesting with “hi can you mod my map I have a first but they haven’t modded yet” I think this could be cool though makes it easier to find stuff every now and then.

Nevo wrote: j36y

On one hand I like the idea as it would bring back the times when people actually nominated maps without a second bn being ready, I find it’s more fun to just get noms out of the way and let the second person qualify when they are ready.

On the other hand I do see this becoming a list akin to high star priority maps. Where a map just sits in a limbo state where it’s technically rankable but people don’t want to qualify it.

I do know in standard we do not have a real list of maps that are nominated - in the sense I as a bn can go actual look for maps that have already have a bubble and qualify. It’s just mapper requesting with “hi can you mod my map I have a first but they haven’t modded yet” I think this could be cool though makes it easier to find stuff every now and then.

just to clarify, i dont think any BN should start modding a map without having 2 BN confirmed, its just not efficient if u waste ur time and 2nd BN never come.

this is also not meant for 2nd BN to not check map and just nom. it shouldnt affect current procedure, just increasing exposure. could reduce work needed on 2nd bn since other people might fix things before 2nd bn comes.