dkingo wrote: 574vp

搞事情啊

rs_fadeaway wrote: 61ew

后排贺电,相信很快会rq的！
gratz))

YaHao wrote: 2v5b50

I've found some issues which I think worthy to mention before this map hit the ranked stage


[Extra]

00:00:740 - This whole 0.91 -> 0.92 -> 0.93 .... -> 1.00 thing, if you want to add something like this, at least do it right. The gap between each green line are so random, like the gap between the first two green line are 2/1, then the 2nd one and the 3rd one are 4/1 and so on. Plus while you changing the speed on every single bell sound, you suddenly decide not to on 00:09:563 - which are so wrong imo.
On the other hand, I dont see why you add these 0.01 gap, player can barely realize the changes and give them random 300 instead of 320 (Yes, someone SS'ed this map i know, but it does mean it is a good SV to use here)
If you really really want to add this kinda of SVs here (which I'm totally suggest not to), change 00:00:740 - to 0.92, 00:03:563 - change to 0.94 then 00:06:387 - change to 0.96, lastly 00:09:210 - change to 0.98 and delete the rest of the SVs, you can see what i'm trying to do here is change the speed in every bell sound with 0.02 difference which is easier for player to follow instead of changing speed randomly.

Looking forward to see your reply

Tofu1222 wrote: 14486j

YaHao wrote: 2v5b50

Things...

Eedow's Diff I will ask her later to check. I will explain this SV change in extra diff

For one thing, in this part i intend to make the SV change from 0.9-1.0 to note a volume change from weaker to stronger. You can also see that. And the reason for this uneven change is due to the timing settings itself at first, i cannot evenly distribute them like 0.9125,0.925....so i take the estimated value and delete those which are same. You may also notice them.
So are you saying the current timing is "evenly distributed"? Before 00:01:445 - they are 2/1 length then next one is 4/1 and only speed up by 0.1, then 00:03:563 - 2/1 again. At least from what i've heard from the music itself, it doesnt goes like this

What I want to say is, this small, uneven change won't affect people's play. Even though it may not be the perfect one in your mind,
If someone think it's not perfect and gave a proper reason, then you should change it

this way is not wrong, and small changes in SV like 0.01 will not cause problems really.
Map got dq-ed because of 1ms delay on the green line. Does it affect the game play? No. 0.01 is a small change, true, but it doesnt give you the right to place 0.01 gap SVs randomly thru the whole section

If it is so noticeable i think BNs who check my mapset should have pointed them out.
Its not noticeable while playing doesnt mean its right to use. Things BNs didnt point out its either they PERSONALLY think its ok or they've missed it. otherwise why you think there are so many map get dq-ed after qualified

Sorry, I will not change this. But thanks for your concern

YaHao wrote: 2v5b50

Yea, for the sake of your lovely qualified icon, ofc you wouldnt change it

Tofu1222 wrote: 14486j

YaHao wrote: 2v5b50

Yea, for the sake of your lovely qualified icon, ofc you wouldnt change it

I know what you mean and you intend to point out and I wont complain. I will further consider your suggestion though I am personally ok with this until Eedow reply to your mod.
Plz wait for her reply. Thanks. Also please don't keep finding mistakes in my reply.

YaHao wrote: 2v5b50

I've found some issues which I think worthy to mention before this map hit the ranked stage

[Eedow's Another]

00:17:416 - The gap between the SVs in this slow down section are not linear, it goes from 0.5->0.6->0,8. Please change the first slow down SV 00:17:416 - from 0.5 to 0.4 so the gap between are all stick with 0.2 and make the whole SV smoother. If you wonder will this change affect the game play? No, its hard to notice this small change but I think for a qualified map, if there is room for improvement, then we should change it.

00:39:916 - Same as here (Not gonna mention you just copy paste the whole previous pattern)

00:56:769 - Why you change the pattern structure when the pitch is changed at 00:56:857 - ? The whole burst looks so random to me, img something like this should be more accurate.

01:55:798 - I can see you are trying to emphasize the "lets rock it" vocal, but do note that, the LN tail (ending) doesnt give much impact like normal notes or the beginning of the LN. Its also weird to play since you can hear the background long sound is finished at 01:56:063 - which none of the current LNs end at that timing, it does confuse me while playing until I check it in edit. You can either change all the LNs ending to 01:56:063 - , or if you want to show some difference in your diff compare with other diff, you can just simply delete the LN and add note on 01:55:975 - 01:56:151 - 01:56:328 - for the vocal instead of using LN tail to represent them.

Looking forward to see your reply

EedowChyan0w0 wrote: 553q40

YaHao wrote: 2v5b50

Things...

Mr.SanadaYukimura,
I don't know who you are, but I reject all of your mod.
First, It's no meaningful to make the smoothest SVs 00:17:416
It is, give me one good reason why you dont want to change it, cause it doesnt fit the song

Second, you denied Fresh Chicken's mod 00:56:857
if something is wrong/questionable, i dont care whether or not you have discussed this with the BN
BNs are not always 100% correct

Third, It's funny to change the LNs into notes and it's boring 01:55:798
What you're doing now is what we call boring, fancy pattern doesnt mean is always good or fit the music

The last, The real Eedow is dead. I'm just taking her position, so don't put your personal emotions to this mapset, you are truly PITIABLE
its nothing personal, i dont give a damn who you are. Lower your self-esteem and lets face the real problem here.

EedowChyan0w0 wrote: 553q40

Second, you denied Fresh Chicken's mod 00:56:857

Blocko wrote: 394y4u

Dropping some suggestions here.

I can kinda see how the SVs on Extra are done at the beginning, but, even when it's barely noticeable, it's done in a way that doesn't make it as smooth as it's supposed to be. Editor limitations seem likely to be the cause, but there is a better way to make the SV transition smoother with a little math.

click here for smoother SVs from 00:00:740 - to 00:12:034 -

You can apply these SV points, or use the code directly to the .osu file. Be sure to replace the current SVs before applying this.

00:00:740 - 0.90x
00:01:869 - 0.91x
00:02:999 - 0.92x
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00:07:516 - 0.96x
00:08:646 - 0.97x
00:09:775 - 0.98x
00:10:905 - 0.99x
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Other than that, this map could use a bit more discussion with the points raised by YaHao, so I've disqualified this for now.

And to both sides, please keep discussion at a more respectable level. We all share a common goal here, and it's to make the beatmap better whether it's pending or qualified. This will be your only warning.

YaHao wrote: 2v5b50

I've found some issues which I think worthy to mention before this map hit the ranked stage

[Eedow's Another]

00:17:416 - The gap between the SVs in this slow down section are not linear, it goes from 0.5->0.6->0,8. Please change the first slow down SV 00:17:416 - from 0.5 to 0.4 so the gap between are all stick with 0.2 and make the whole SV smoother. If you wonder will this change affect the game play? No, its hard to notice this small change but I think for a qualified map, if there is room for improvement, then we should change it.

00:39:916 - Same as here (Not gonna mention you just copy paste the whole previous pattern)

00:56:769 - Why you change the pattern structure when the pitch is changed at 00:56:857 - ? The whole burst looks so random to me, img something like this should be more accurate.

01:55:798 - I can see you are trying to emphasize the "lets rock it" vocal, but do note that, the LN tail (ending) doesnt give much impact like normal notes or the beginning of the LN. Its also weird to play since you can hear the background long sound is finished at 01:56:063 - which none of the current LNs end at that timing, it does confuse me while playing until I check it in edit. You can either change all the LNs ending to 01:56:063 - , or if you want to show some difference in your diff compare with other diff, you can just simply delete the LN and add note on 01:55:975 - 01:56:151 - 01:56:328 - for the vocal instead of using LN tail to represent them.

[Extra]

00:00:740 - This whole 0.91 -> 0.92 -> 0.93 .... -> 1.00 thing, if you want to add something like this, at least do it right. The gap between each green line are so random, like the gap between the first two green line are 2/1, then the 2nd one and the 3rd one are 4/1 and so on. Plus while you changing the speed on every single bell sound, you suddenly decide not to on 00:09:563 - which are so wrong imo.
On the other hand, I dont see why you add these 0.01 gap, player can barely realize the changes and give them random 300 instead of 320 (Yes, someone SS'ed this map i know, but it does mean it is a good SV to use here)
If you really really want to add this kinda of SVs here (which I'm totally suggest not to), change 00:00:740 - to 0.92, 00:03:563 - change to 0.94 then 00:06:387 - change to 0.96, lastly 00:09:210 - change to 0.98 and delete the rest of the SVs, you can see what i'm trying to do here is change the speed in every bell sound with 0.02 difference which is easier for player to follow instead of changing speed randomly.

Looking forward to see your reply

Kuo Kyoka wrote: 225m5w

I also want to ask other to make sure the SV too

Fresh Chicken wrote: 5l71q

Call me again when you need bubble.

EedowChyan0w0 wrote: 553q40

Second, you denied Fresh Chicken's mod 00:56:857

everyone deserves to recommend / deny some suggestions whoever suggested before.

00:56:857 - I recommend to make this part more balance / feels more unrepeatable. And suggested current pattern for keep Eedow's original pattern structure.
Current pattern is pretty fit to "H" icons and I don't think there's about pitch problems.
00:56:504 - 00:56:681 - There sections have sounds of new synth and those are same pitch, in my personal opinion is that here should have difference of pattern, but when it gets different patterns in every pitches, this would be more harder unnecessarily.
So I want to just make a one change in 00:56:857 - here because this section have definitely different pitch.

Anyway Sanada's patterning argument is valid. Depends on you guys.

YaHao wrote: 2v5b50

Kuo Kyoka wrote: 225m5w

I also want to ask other to make sure the SV too

Not fine

EedowChyan0w0 wrote: 553q40

Actually he made me so pissed.

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EedowChyan0w0 wrote: 553q40

Actually he made me so pissed.

Aras25 wrote: 295z6w

don't worry tofu, just take it slowly, it still only 3 month from the first time you submit this, so there is no reason to rush

I think it is just reasonable for new mapper to be scared of losing their Heart icon as we know how hard it is to find active BN who want to check your map

Surono wrote: 3z554l

at least its not a nuke icon that makes your map not rankable. dw

Protastic101 wrote: 104y5t

Was looking at some of the discussion with SVs, and I do think some of them could be more sight readable. I also don't really understand how you spaced the SVs apart in the beginning of the the Extra diff, but it seems like there is a rhyme and reason to it, so I won't worry myself with it.

note: everything's rounded to the nearest hundredth

boop

[General]

1. Ok, I can't really hear the hitsounds at all on 30% volume. I'd at least increase it to 50% so that it's somewhat audible. The way it is now, I can't really hear anything, even with music/effect 60/100
2. normal-hitnormal is kind of too quiet imo, so I raised the volume a bit https://puu.sh/w4jGb.wav

[Extra]
00:17:328 - to 00:17:681 - The average of this SV sequence is 0.81x which makes it a slowjam. This is a bit hard to read because it's slower than what the player anticipates. In order to fix this, make 00:17:416 - 0.5x instead so that it averages to 1x because (4 - 2.5) / 3 = 0.5 as the value of the second SV

00:20:151 - Imo, you could do a stutter SV here too since it has a feeling of separation between each note. You can just do the halve the values again, like this

1. 00:20:151 - 00:20:195 - 00:20:239 - 00:20:284 - 1.5x
2. 00:20:173 - 00:20:217 - 00:20:262 - 00:20:306 - 0.5x
3. 00:20:328 - 1x

00:22:666 - to 00:23:328 - I feel that the slowjam here is really difficult to read because there's nothing to end off the SV sequence at 00:22:666 - and most players would expect it a new sequence to start around 00:22:798 - instead with new values. My suggestion here would be to start a new SV at 00:22:798 - with a value such as 2.25x, and then add another SV at 00:22:887 - of 0.75x directly after to make a bump like SV. The only drawback to this is that it's very hard to notice on higher scroll speeds, so if you wanted, you could just reverse all the SVs instead, so that it starts slow -> fast, meaning 00:22:445 - 00:22:622 - are 0.5x, the SVs at 00:22:489 - 00:22:666 - are moved to 00:22:578 - 00:22:754 - instead.

00:40:004 - Should be 0.5x if you wanna average it to 1x. Or, you can change the 2.5x SV at 00:39:916 - to 3.25x and leave the 0.25x as is.
00:51:298 - Same as above. I'm gonna point out consistency here too, cause the sequence from 01:19:445 - to 01:19:798 - uses 2.5x to 0.5x and it's the same type of held snare as the ones at 00:17:328 - or 00:39:916 - for example.
01:25:181 - ^
01:47:769 - ^

00:42:739 - I suggest the same thing here that I suggested at 00:20:151 - for the stutter

00:45:651 - Change to 0.5x to average to 1x as it's more sight readable that way and doesn't lead to a mini slowjam section lasting between 00:45:563 - to 00:45:916 - . In a similar vein though, I would suggest flipping the SVs and going from 0.25x (or 0.5x if you use 1x average) to 2.5x at 00:45:828 - instead since 00:45:210 - is already a speed up, and going from a speed up to a slightly faster speed up doesn't really have the same contrast as going from fast to slow would have.

01:30:210 - 01:30:387 - If you accepted my suggestions at 00:22:445 - , do the same here for consistency.

01:53:328 - See what I wrote about 00:45:563 - and 00:45:651 -


[Eedow's Another]
00:22:710 - The average SV here from 00:22:622 - to 00:23:328 - is 1.5 + (0.5 x 5) = 0.67x which is pretty hard to predict when the next note comes in at that kind of speed. If you wanna average it out to 1x, the 0.5x should be changed to 0.9x because (6 - 4) / 5 = 0.9. If you want it to be a bit stronger which is what I probably would do, you could do 00:22:622 - 3.5x and then 00:22:710 - 0.5x

00:45:651 - This also doesn't average to 1x because you used the half half method to get the value of the second SV when you're using more than 2 units (snaps in this case). The value of the second SV at 00:45:651 - should be 0.92x instead. If you want to avoid rounded numbers, you can do 00:45:563 - 1.75x, then 00:45:651 - 0.75x.

01:30:475 - See what I wrote with 00:22:710 -

Chartwise
00:20:063 (20063|3,20063|0,20151|1,20195|2,20239|3,20284|0,20328|1,20416|2) - The way this burst is currently set up makes it pretty hard to tell what is 1/4 and what is 1/8. I say this cause the direction of the notes is the same so it kind of just blends into one single burst like pattern. What I would do to make it a little easier to read would be something like so https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207919

00:25:622 (25622|2,25710|1,25798|2,25887|3,25975|2,26063|1) - Don't think the stair is really all that great imo. It strains the index fingers much more than it does the middle fingers and for no good reason. In addition, the pitch is going down, so I think using a more linear roll would be better to represent the music, like this https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207921

00:42:739 (42739|1,42784|2,42828|3,42872|0,42916|1) - Similar to what I said in my first suggestion, I would start this in col 1 or 4 to make it a more easily group-able pattern, like a split roll for example https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207929

00:44:504 - Might be a cool idea to try and disconnect all the notes here since each of the snares is kind of distinct and separate, so like this perhaps https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207933

01:14:151 - Ok, so I'm kind of wondering why in the first phrase of this transitional section, 00:57:210 - to 01:08:504 - you mapped it with one style which was based more on using 1/1 stacks and 1/2 mini trills, but in the second half, from 01:08:504 - to 01:18:387 - , you only map four measures with the vocal (don't stop body rock or whatever the dude's saying), but then halfway through the second musical phrase at 01:14:151 - , you switch to mapping the synth instead. This would probably be ok if it weren't for the fact that you had set up a structure in the first phrase (just following vocals), and then you completely disregard it in the second half and opt to map a different part 3/4ths into the section. My suggestion here would be to map the vocals all the way through instead to remain consistent.

01:53:681 - Why is this section mapped only with singles when in a similar section, say at 00:17:681 - for example, you mapped using both doubles followed by singles? It feels inconsistent across the diff to do that because the ending is where you'd expect there to be the most excitement in the song or something, but instead you made it easier than the rest of the sections that are similar in structure to it.

Just ask me if you want work and explanations of how I got the values I did. Too lazy to write it out every time, but everything I suggested should average to 1x.

Originally wasn't going to pop, but after looking through the diffs, I think the consistency should probably be addressed, and the SVs too. I wanna hear your reasoning anyways cause looking at the thread didn't really answer the stuff I wondered when taking a peek at the map.

Protastic101 wrote: 104y5t

[Eedow's Another]
00:22:710 - The average SV here from 00:22:622 - to 00:23:328 - is 1.5 + (0.5 x 5) = 0.67x which is pretty hard to predict when the next note comes in at that kind of speed. If you wanna average it out to 1x, the 0.5x should be changed to 0.9x because (6 - 4) / 5 = 0.9. If you want it to be a bit stronger which is what I probably would do, you could do 00:22:622 - 3.5x and then 00:22:710 - 0.5x

00:45:651 - This also doesn't average to 1x because you used the half half method to get the value of the second SV when you're using more than 2 units (snaps in this case). The value of the second SV at 00:45:651 - should be 0.92x instead. If you want to avoid rounded numbers, you can do 00:45:563 - 1.75x, then 00:45:651 - 0.75x.

01:30:475 - See what I wrote with 00:22:710 -

Chartwise
00:20:063 (20063|3,20063|0,20151|1,20195|2,20239|3,20284|0,20328|1,20416|2) - The way this burst is currently set up makes it pretty hard to tell what is 1/4 and what is 1/8. I say this cause the direction of the notes is the same so it kind of just blends into one single burst like pattern. What I would do to make it a little easier to read would be something like so https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207919

00:25:622 (25622|2,25710|1,25798|2,25887|3,25975|2,26063|1) - Don't think the stair is really all that great imo. It strains the index fingers much more than it does the middle fingers and for no good reason. In addition, the pitch is going down, so I think using a more linear roll would be better to represent the music, like this https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207921

00:42:739 (42739|1,42784|2,42828|3,42872|0,42916|1) - Similar to what I said in my first suggestion, I would start this in col 1 or 4 to make it a more easily group-able pattern, like a split roll for example https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207929

00:44:504 - Might be a cool idea to try and disconnect all the notes here since each of the snares is kind of distinct and separate, so like this perhaps https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207933

01:14:151 - Ok, so I'm kind of wondering why in the first phrase of this transitional section, 00:57:210 - to 01:08:504 - you mapped it with one style which was based more on using 1/1 stacks and 1/2 mini trills, but in the second half, from 01:08:504 - to 01:18:387 - , you only map four measures with the vocal (don't stop body rock or whatever the dude's saying), but then halfway through the second musical phrase at 01:14:151 - , you switch to mapping the synth instead. This would probably be ok if it weren't for the fact that you had set up a structure in the first phrase (just following vocals), and then you completely disregard it in the second half and opt to map a different part 3/4ths into the section. My suggestion here would be to map the vocals all the way through instead to remain consistent.

01:53:681 - Why is this section mapped only with singles when in a similar section, say at 00:17:681 - for example, you mapped using both doubles followed by singles? It feels inconsistent across the diff to do that because the ending is where you'd expect there to be the most excitement in the song or something, but instead you made it easier than the rest of the sections that are similar in structure to it.[/box]

Originally wasn't going to pop, but after looking through the diffs, I think the consistency should probably be addressed, and the SVs too. I wanna hear your reasoning anyways cause looking at the thread didn't really answer the stuff I wondered when taking a peek at the map.

Protastic101 wrote: 104y5t

Was looking at some of the discussion with SVs, and I do think some of them could be more sight readable. I also don't really understand how you spaced the SVs apart in the beginning of the the Extra diff, but it seems like there is a rhyme and reason to it, so I won't worry myself with it.

note: everything's rounded to the nearest hundredth

boop

[General]

1. Ok, I can't really hear the hitsounds at all on 30% volume. I'd at least increase it to 50% so that it's somewhat audible. The way it is now, I can't really hear anything, even with music/effect 60/100
2. normal-hitnormal is kind of too quiet imo, so I raised the volume a bit https://puu.sh/w4jGb.wav

[Extra]
00:17:328 - to 00:17:681 - The average of this SV sequence is 0.81x which makes it a slowjam. This is a bit hard to read because it's slower than what the player anticipates. In order to fix this, make 00:17:416 - 0.5x instead so that it averages to 1x because (4 - 2.5) / 3 = 0.5 as the value of the second SV
In before I added 0,5x here what the heck? It seems to be is my mistake, my apologies
@Tofu, you can change on here

00:20:151 - Imo, you could do a stutter SV here too since it has a feeling of separation between each note. You can just do the halve the values again, like this

1. 00:20:151 - 00:20:195 - 00:20:239 - 00:20:284 - 1.5x
2. 00:20:173 - 00:20:217 - 00:20:262 - 00:20:306 - 0.5x
3. 00:20:328 - 1x

It's. Already. Like. Your. Suggestion. Said.
And how I can add 1x on 00:20:328 - when the next up is also SV too? With that the speed on 00:20:328 - to 00:20:504 - will be cut to 3,5x (missing 0,5x)


00:22:666 - to 00:23:328 - I feel that the slowjam here is really difficult to read because there's nothing to end off the SV sequence at 00:22:666 - and most players would expect it a new sequence to start around 00:22:798 - instead with new values. My suggestion here would be to start a new SV at 00:22:798 - with a value such as 2.25x, and then add another SV at 00:22:887 - of 0.75x directly after to make a bump like SV. The only drawback to this is that it's very hard to notice on higher scroll speeds, so if you wanted, you could just reverse all the SVs instead, so that it starts slow -> fast, meaning 00:22:445 - 00:22:622 - are 0.5x, the SVs at 00:22:489 - 00:22:666 - are moved to 00:22:578 - 00:22:754 - instead. In before I start to make with SV flow with vocal but it just worse, music also stopped here so I don't see why I need to add more. It's just stopped directly, no more. The only way to settle this is patience and wait to hit 300.
00:22:445 - to 00:22:622 - = 4x for 1/8
while 00:22:445 - is 2,5x and 00:22:489 - to 00:22:622 - is 0,5 -> 2,5 + (0,5*3) = 4 so it's balanced the speed
Same go to 00:22:622 -

00:40:004 - Should be 0.5x if you wanna average it to 1x. Or, you can change the 2.5x SV at 00:39:916 - to 3.25x and leave the 0.25x as is. Can just say I copy paste from 00:17:416 - till the whole map so we can fix it with that way to. @Tofu
00:51:298 - Same as above. I'm gonna point out consistency here too, cause the sequence from 01:19:445 - to 01:19:798 - uses 2.5x to 0.5x and it's the same type of held snare as the ones at 00:17:328 - or 00:39:916 - for example.
01:25:181 - ^
01:47:769 - ^ copypaste

00:42:739 - I suggest the same thing here that I suggested at 00:20:151 - for the stutter ...

00:45:651 - Change to 0.5x to average to 1x as it's more sight readable that way and doesn't lead to a mini slowjam section lasting between 00:45:563 - to 00:45:916 - . In a similar vein though, I would suggest flipping the SVs and going from 0.25x (or 0.5x if you use 1x average) to 2.5x at 00:45:828 - instead since 00:45:210 - is already a speed up, and going from a speed up to a slightly faster speed up doesn't really have the same contrast as going from fast to slow would have. Please, why TL;DR when this was just a copy paste from last SV mistake

01:30:210 - 01:30:387 - If you accepted my suggestions at 00:22:445 - , do the same here for consistency. same reason

01:53:328 - See what I wrote about 00:45:563 - and 00:45:651 - same reason


[Eedow's Another]
00:22:710 - The average SV here from 00:22:622 - to 00:23:328 - is 1.5 + (0.5 x 5) = 0.67x which is pretty hard to predict when the next note comes in at that kind of speed. If you wanna average it out to 1x, the 0.5x should be changed to 0.9x because (6 - 4) / 5 = 0.9. If you want it to be a bit stronger which is what I probably would do, you could do 00:22:622 - 3.5x and then 00:22:710 - 0.5x it's no need because this part fit the music the best with this kind of SV. Just like how you use 0,75x SV on this calm part 00:57:210 - (see Extra for information)

00:45:651 - This also doesn't average to 1x because you used the half half method to get the value of the second SV when you're using more than 2 units (snaps in this case). The value of the second SV at 00:45:651 - should be 0.92x instead. If you want to avoid rounded numbers, you can do 00:45:563 - 1.75x, then 00:45:651 - 0.75x. 00:45:563 - I think we discuss about this part before with Eedow, you can do a copy paste from 00:17:328 - (and lol, I did 0,5x here but not in Extra, my mistake, apologies.

01:30:475 - See what I wrote with 00:22:710 - no please

Chartwise
00:20:063 (20063|3,20063|0,20151|1,20195|2,20239|3,20284|0,20328|1,20416|2) - The way this burst is currently set up makes it pretty hard to tell what is 1/4 and what is 1/8. I say this cause the direction of the notes is the same so it kind of just blends into one single burst like pattern. What I would do to make it a little easier to read would be something like so https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207919

00:25:622 (25622|2,25710|1,25798|2,25887|3,25975|2,26063|1) - Don't think the stair is really all that great imo. It strains the index fingers much more than it does the middle fingers and for no good reason. In addition, the pitch is going down, so I think using a more linear roll would be better to represent the music, like this https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207921

00:42:739 (42739|1,42784|2,42828|3,42872|0,42916|1) - Similar to what I said in my first suggestion, I would start this in col 1 or 4 to make it a more easily group-able pattern, like a split roll for example https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207929

00:44:504 - Might be a cool idea to try and disconnect all the notes here since each of the snares is kind of distinct and separate, so like this perhaps https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/ss/8207933

01:14:151 - Ok, so I'm kind of wondering why in the first phrase of this transitional section, 00:57:210 - to 01:08:504 - you mapped it with one style which was based more on using 1/1 stacks and 1/2 mini trills, but in the second half, from 01:08:504 - to 01:18:387 - , you only map four measures with the vocal (don't stop body rock or whatever the dude's saying), but then halfway through the second musical phrase at 01:14:151 - , you switch to mapping the synth instead. This would probably be ok if it weren't for the fact that you had set up a structure in the first phrase (just following vocals), and then you completely disregard it in the second half and opt to map a different part 3/4ths into the section. My suggestion here would be to map the vocals all the way through instead to remain consistent.

01:53:681 - Why is this section mapped only with singles when in a similar section, say at 00:17:681 - for example, you mapped using both doubles followed by singles? It feels inconsistent across the diff to do that because the ending is where you'd expect there to be the most excitement in the song or something, but instead you made it easier than the rest of the sections that are similar in structure to it.

Just ask me if you want work and explanations of how I got the values I did. Too lazy to write it out every time, but everything I suggested should average to 1x.

Originally wasn't going to pop, but after looking through the diffs, I think the consistency should probably be addressed, and the SVs too. I wanna hear your reasoning anyways cause looking at the thread didn't really answer the stuff I wondered when taking a peek at the map.

Kuo Kyoka wrote: 225m5w

Protastic101 wrote: 104y5t

Was looking at some of the discussion with SVs, and I do think some of them could be more sight readable. I also don't really understand how you spaced the SVs apart in the beginning of the the Extra diff, but it seems like there is a rhyme and reason to it, so I won't worry myself with it.

note: everything's rounded to the nearest hundredth

boop

[General]

1. Ok, I can't really hear the hitsounds at all on 30% volume. I'd at least increase it to 50% so that it's somewhat audible. The way it is now, I can't really hear anything, even with music/effect 60/100
2. normal-hitnormal is kind of too quiet imo, so I raised the volume a bit https://puu.sh/w4jGb.wav

[Extra]
00:17:328 - to 00:17:681 - The average of this SV sequence is 0.81x which makes it a slowjam. This is a bit hard to read because it's slower than what the player anticipates. In order to fix this, make 00:17:416 - 0.5x instead so that it averages to 1x because (4 - 2.5) / 3 = 0.5 as the value of the second SV
In before I added 0,5x here what the heck? It seems to be is my mistake, my apologies
@Tofu, you can change on here

00:20:151 - Imo, you could do a stutter SV here too since it has a feeling of separation between each note. You can just do the halve the values again, like this

1. 00:20:151 - 00:20:195 - 00:20:239 - 00:20:284 - 1.5x
2. 00:20:173 - 00:20:217 - 00:20:262 - 00:20:306 - 0.5x
3. 00:20:328 - 1x

It's. Already. Like. Your. Suggestion. Said.
And how I can add 1x on 00:20:328 - when the next up is also SV too? With that the speed on 00:20:328 - to 00:20:504 - will be cut to 3,5x (missing 0,5x)
Eh? I currently have the most up to date version of the map, but there are no SVs here, which is why I suggested it in the first place https://puu.sh/w55Ty.jpg . I apologize if I'm missing something obvious here, but there are no SVs from 00:20:328 - to 00:20:504 - so I don't know what 3.5x SV you're talking about. Skimmed the IRC with CS and it doesn't seem like they removed anything there either.


00:22:666 - to 00:23:328 - I feel that the slowjam here is really difficult to read because there's nothing to end off the SV sequence at 00:22:666 - and most players would expect it a new sequence to start around 00:22:798 - instead with new values. My suggestion here would be to start a new SV at 00:22:798 - with a value such as 2.25x, and then add another SV at 00:22:887 - of 0.75x directly after to make a bump like SV. The only drawback to this is that it's very hard to notice on higher scroll speeds, so if you wanted, you could just reverse all the SVs instead, so that it starts slow -> fast, meaning 00:22:445 - 00:22:622 - are 0.5x, the SVs at 00:22:489 - 00:22:666 - are moved to 00:22:578 - 00:22:754 - instead. In before I start to make with SV flow with vocal but it just worse, music also stopped here so I don't see why I need to add more. It's just stopped directly, no more. The only way to settle this is patience and wait to hit 300.
00:22:445 - to 00:22:622 - = 4x for 1/8
while 00:22:445 - is 2,5x and 00:22:489 - to 00:22:622 - is 0,5 -> 2,5 + (0,5*3) = 4 so it's balanced the speed
Same go to 00:22:622 -
The first point, the one from 00:22:445 - to 00:22:622 - averages to 1x, which is why I didn't say anything about it. But you say that the sequence from 00:22:622 - to 00:22:798 - averages to 1x, which is would be totally right if not for the fact that sequences span the distance between two notes, or end with the normalizing SV (in this case, 1x), so it's 00:22:622 - to 00:23:328 - , or two beats long of a sequence. This means there are 16 units in the sequence (assuming 1/8 units). So, the math actually goes like this:
{2.5 + (0.5 x 7)} ÷ 16 = 0.375x as your average.
My suggestion was to begin a new SV sequence from 00:22:798 - to 00:23:328 - that would average 1x and thus be more sightreadable instead of reading at an average of 0.375x the scroll of the player. To give an example of how slow that is, I read at scroll speed 32, and this one SV makes my average scroll speed in that part 12 (on fixed scroll).

00:40:004 - Should be 0.5x if you wanna average it to 1x. Or, you can change the 2.5x SV at 00:39:916 - to 3.25x and leave the 0.25x as is. Can just say I copy paste from 00:17:416 - till the whole map so we can fix it with that way to. @Tofu
00:51:298 - Same as above. I'm gonna point out consistency here too, cause the sequence from 01:19:445 - to 01:19:798 - uses 2.5x to 0.5x and it's the same type of held snare as the ones at 00:17:328 - or 00:39:916 - for example.
01:25:181 - ^
01:47:769 - ^ copypaste

00:42:739 - I suggest the same thing here that I suggested at 00:20:151 - for the stutter ...
There is also no SV here that I can see, so there must be some miscommunication on either my end, your end, or tofu's end (assuming he accidentally did something with the SV maybe?)

00:45:651 - Change to 0.5x to average to 1x as it's more sight readable that way and doesn't lead to a mini slowjam section lasting between 00:45:563 - to 00:45:916 - . In a similar vein though, I would suggest flipping the SVs and going from 0.25x (or 0.5x if you use 1x average) to 2.5x at 00:45:828 - instead since 00:45:210 - is already a speed up, and going from a speed up to a slightly faster speed up doesn't really have the same contrast as going from fast to slow would have. Please, why TL;DR when this was just a copy paste from last SV mistake
I wrote this before realizing it'd be more efficient to just go through the map picking out all the 2.5x -> 0.25x SVs and forgot to take it out and just include the timestamp above, my bad.

01:30:210 - 01:30:387 - If you accepted my suggestions at 00:22:445 - , do the same here for consistency. same reason

01:53:328 - See what I wrote about 00:45:563 - and 00:45:651 - same reason


[Eedow's Another]
00:22:710 - The average SV here from 00:22:622 - to 00:23:328 - is 1.5 + (0.5 x 5) = 0.67x which is pretty hard to predict when the next note comes in at that kind of speed. If you wanna average it out to 1x, the 0.5x should be changed to 0.9x because (6 - 4) / 5 = 0.9. If you want it to be a bit stronger which is what I probably would do, you could do 00:22:622 - 3.5x and then 00:22:710 - 0.5x it's no need because this part fit the music the best with this kind of SV. Just like how you use 0,75x SV on this calm part 00:57:210 - (see Extra for information)
There is no 0.75x SV at 00:57:210 - on the map in this diff, at least on my side. The last SV was at 00:51:563 - with 1x.
In reply to your response, I believe that you can make the SV sequence there average to 1x while still retaining that slowjam feel. I suggested by doing a reverse bump (fast to slow) because it heavily emphasizes the first note at the start of the sequence while giving the feeling of suspense as the next notes come in slowly since it's an SV smaller than 1 that lasts for 7 units as opposed to the 1 unit long starting SV.
I also realize that my original calculation is wrong, as I had assumed 6 units like the Extra diff instead of 8 units. Instead, the average is like so:
{1.5 + (0.5 x 7)} ÷ 8 = 0.625x average SV. If you wanted to average 1x, you could instead try this:
(8 - 1.5) / 7 = 0.93x at 00:22:710 - instead of the 0.5x which is pretty weak for an SV of this length. A slightly stronger one would be 2.4x at 00:22:622 - and 00:22:710 - 0.8x. Work is the same as above but with different values.

00:45:651 - This also doesn't average to 1x because you used the half half method to get the value of the second SV when you're using more than 2 units (snaps in this case). The value of the second SV at 00:45:651 - should be 0.92x instead. If you want to avoid rounded numbers, you can do 00:45:563 - 1.75x, then 00:45:651 - 0.75x. 00:45:563 - I think we discuss about this part before with Eedow, you can do a copy paste from 00:17:328 - (and lol, I did 0,5x here but not in Extra, my mistake, apologies.
Yeah, copy pasting it from 00:17:328 - works too.
I was just pointing out the correct value to use at 00:45:651 - had Eedow wanted to use the 1.25x as the starting SV, but either works fine.

01:30:475 - See what I wrote with 00:22:710 - no please

And yes, I make the whole SVs balanced with 1x speed, only the 2,5x - 0,25x was my mistake because somehow got drunk on there
I will discuss with Tofu for further changes
Tofu also can add that SV I added for Eedow on 01:55:798 -
But later catch me for mroe information

But also thanks for the SV mod, Protastic101
Without it, I will dont know about 2,5x 0,25x

Yeah no problem. Hope we can figure out where those SVs went though because I'm thoroughly confused now on 00:20:151 - since it seems there are no SVs on my side but SVs on yours.

EedowChyan0w0 wrote: 553q40

snips my original mod to save character space

I think I have learned some about SV now

Something I want to reject
00:20:063 - I still followed the coherent notes
Yes, I don't doubt that you had perfect justification for mapping the 1/8 roll there, but my original suggestion was to improve the pattern, not ask you to remove it which is what I think you interpreted it as. Instead, I thought that the pattern felt a bit too difficult to read due to the fact that the direction breaks in the middle of the 1/8 burst and could thus easily blend in with the 1/4 notes surrounding it.
The pattern I suggested would have make the direction changes a bit clearer by using a different hand movement, one clean roll for the 1/8, and a small one handed minitrill for the 1/4.

01:53:681 - I think singles is enough
I really see no reason to break your consistency at the very end of the map. The sound is no more softer than the other sections of the music I mentioned originally, so the change in density is a bit unwarranted in my opinion.

That's cool and all, but may I ask what your reason for rejecting my suggestion is? I'm fine that you did not accept it, but I would like to know why since I believe I provided ample reason on my side.

Hope that cleared some stuff up, and sorry for the late response.

Fresh Chicken wrote: 5l71q

This is why I want to recheck this one.

Protastic101 wrote: 104y5t

EedowChyan0w0 wrote: 553q40

snips my original mod to save character space

I think I have learned some about SV now

Something I want to reject
00:20:063 - I still followed the coherent notes
Yes, I don't doubt that you had perfect justification for mapping the 1/8 roll there, but my original suggestion was to improve the pattern, not ask you to remove it which is what I think you interpreted it as. Instead, I thought that the pattern felt a bit too difficult to read due to the fact that the direction breaks in the middle of the 1/8 burst and could thus easily blend in with the 1/4 notes surrounding it.
The pattern I suggested would have make the direction changes a bit clearer by using a different hand movement, one clean roll for the 1/8, and a small one handed minitrill for the 1/4.
Sorry about my unclear reason, actually I have thought of the aftereffect of my pattern, but why not try to make a fun part to make the diff a bit hard? Your mod just separate the 1/8 notes and 1/4 notes and make it fit the stars.

01:53:681 - I think singles is enough
I really see no reason to break your consistency at the very end of the map. The sound is no more softer than the other sections of the music I mentioned originally, so the change in density is a bit unwarranted in my opinion.
You said that part should be the most excitement, but some players would be very exhausted when he/she began to play this part. And the sound there is inattentive, so I use the singles for the end part.

That's cool and all, but may I ask what your reason for rejecting my suggestion is? I'm fine that you did not accept it, but I would like to know why since I believe I provided ample reason on my side.

Hope that cleared some stuff up, and sorry for the late response.

Protastic101 wrote: 104y5t

Yeah no problem. Hope we can figure out where those SVs went though because I'm thoroughly confused now on 00:20:151 - since it seems there are no SVs on my side but SVs on yours.

Protastic101 wrote: 104y5t

Was looking at some of the discussion with SVs, and I do think some of them could be more sight readable. I also don't really understand how you spaced the SVs apart in the beginning of the the Extra diff, but it seems like there is a rhyme and reason to it, so I won't worry myself with it.

note: everything's rounded to the nearest hundredth

boop

[General]

1. Ok, I can't really hear the hitsounds at all on 30% volume. I'd at least increase it to 50% so that it's somewhat audible. The way it is now, I can't really hear anything, even with music/effect 60/100
2. normal-hitnormal is kind of too quiet imo, so I raised the volume a bit https://puu.sh/w4jGb.wav

seems true. fixed


[Extra]
00:17:328 - to 00:17:681 - The average of this SV sequence is 0.81x which makes it a slowjam. This is a bit hard to read because it's slower than what the player anticipates. In order to fix this, make 00:17:416 - 0.5x instead so that it averages to 1x because (4 - 2.5) / 3 = 0.5 as the value of the second SV fixed

00:20:151 - Imo, you could do a stutter SV here too since it has a feeling of separation between each note. You can just do the halve the values again, like this

1. 00:20:151 - 00:20:195 - 00:20:239 - 00:20:284 - 1.5x
2. 00:20:173 - 00:20:217 - 00:20:262 - 00:20:306 - 0.5x
3. 00:20:328 - 1x

I used to keep that SV, but when I talk with CS I find out that, yep, it is true that we can fc this part with such SV, but SV here with all 1/8 notes will largely influence a normal player's acc here. So I decide to delete this instead, but keep other 1/4 notes part SVs.

00:22:666 - to 00:23:328 - I feel that the slowjam here is really difficult to read because there's nothing to end off the SV sequence at 00:22:666 - and most players would expect it a new sequence to start around 00:22:798 - instead with new values. My suggestion here would be to start a new SV at 00:22:798 - with a value such as 2.25x, and then add another SV at 00:22:887 - of 0.75x directly after to make a bump like SV. The only drawback to this is that it's very hard to notice on higher scroll speeds, so if you wanted, you could just reverse all the SVs instead, so that it starts slow -> fast, meaning 00:22:445 - 00:22:622 - are 0.5x, the SVs at 00:22:489 - 00:22:666 - are moved to 00:22:578 - 00:22:754 - instead.

00:40:004 - Should be 0.5x if you wanna average it to 1x. Or, you can change the 2.5x SV at 00:39:916 - to 3.25x and leave the 0.25x as is.
00:51:298 - Same as above. I'm gonna point out consistency here too, cause the sequence from 01:19:445 - to 01:19:798 - uses 2.5x to 0.5x and it's the same type of held snare as the ones at 00:17:328 - or 00:39:916 - for example.
01:25:181 - ^
01:47:769 - ^ fix all

00:42:739 - I suggest the same thing here that I suggested at 00:20:151 - for the stutter

00:45:651 - Change to 0.5x to average to 1x as it's more sight readable that way and doesn't lead to a mini slowjam section lasting between 00:45:563 - to 00:45:916 - . In a similar vein though, I would suggest flipping the SVs and going from 0.25x (or 0.5x if you use 1x average) to 2.5x at 00:45:828 - instead since 00:45:210 - is already a speed up, and going from a speed up to a slightly faster speed up doesn't really have the same contrast as going from fast to slow would have.

01:30:210 - 01:30:387 - If you accepted my suggestions at 00:22:445 - , do the same here for consistency.

01:53:328 - See what I wrote about 00:45:563 - and 00:45:651 -

Just ask me if you want work and explanations of how I got the values I did. Too lazy to write it out every time, but everything I suggested should average to 1x.

Originally wasn't going to pop, but after looking through the diffs, I think the consistency should probably be addressed, and the SVs too. I wanna hear your reasoning anyways cause looking at the thread didn't really answer the stuff I wondered when taking a peek at the map.

Protastic101 wrote: 104y5t

I am fine with everything but 00:22:622 - to 00:23:328 - and 01:30:387 - to 01:31:092 - in the extra diff. KK says that it averages out to 1x when in fact it does not, and I already explained why in my response to his response. To reiterate, 00:22:622 - to 00:22:798 - is the SV sequence that averages 1x, not 00:22:622 - to 00:23:328 - as argued. I even suggested a fix, which I will copy and paste below:

My suggestion here would be to start a new SV at 00:22:798 - with a value such as 2.25x, and then add another SV at 00:22:887 - of 0.75x directly after to make a bump like SV.

Once that has been fixed, CS can rebubble; alternatively, you may find another BN besides CS who agrees that the SV is fine as is and have them rebubble.

Kuo Kyoka wrote: 225m5w

Okay, I'm no longer be able to use the computer anymore
So what was that SV was on? Was it the before the kiai?
I already told you about that, it tend to not be average of 1x, it supposed to be cut a part with slow speed, that was how this part go. Why everything must be 1x average to you? Adding more just to make it balance with 1x speed just make it worse.

Well whatever, Im no longer take part in this map anymore, glhf...