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ppl really look too much on perfomance ranking, lol.

Anyway, I have a question about drawings, there will be seeds or random drawings like last year? If there will be seeds, then how countries will be sorted? because you cant sort players skill lvl by pp mainly because 75% of mania pp is from 7k and it has nothing to do with 4k (USA players or Staiain or a lot of 4k solo players better than most of players in top50 lol)
probably random. Sorting players by their osu play data is impossible
It will be stupid as hell, just imagine malaysia korea usa japan in one group, 2 of best teams will be eliminated on the beginning of WC.
Can't waiting

SpectorDG wrote: 174k4s

Can't waiting

7key worldcup
wher gon longgone for malaysia, i require team stepmania
Good luck USA, I'll be rooting for you guys 8-)

Tanner wrote: 6w45

Good luck USA, I'll be rooting for you guys 8-)
USA! USA! USA!

People that think it's impossible for Korea to lose need to realize there is serious competition this year in this keymode

Tristan97 wrote: 334b1d

Tanner wrote: 6w45

Good luck USA, I'll be rooting for you guys 8-)
USA! USA! USA!

People that think it's impossible for Korea to lose need to realize there is serious competition this year in this keymode
Definitely, I'm hoping for a Korea vs. USA final, that'll be a great watch.
i can't stand the hype! hahaha

good luck everyone!
GO ARGENTINA!
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bad

Choofers wrote: q5g37

go team stepmania

Choofers wrote: q5g37

go team stepmania
Fk team stepmania.

Tidek wrote: 6p6i2l

Anyway, I have a question about drawings, there will be seeds or random drawings like last year? If there will be seeds, then how countries will be sorted? because you cant sort players skill lvl by pp mainly because 75% of mania pp is from 7k and it has nothing to do with 4k (USA players or Staiain or a lot of 4k solo players better than most of players in top50 lol)
Bumping this question. Loctav?
Topic Starter
Let me figure out who signed up first and what teams we actually have. Then we can figure out a proper way to seed them, not dumbingly doing this by pp, as pp considers 4k, 7k, converts and whatever else

ATTang wrote: 2h2p4d

Choofers wrote: q5g37

go team stepmania

EtienneXC wrote: 4n6i4f

ATTang wrote: 2h2p4d

go team stepmania
Loctav I think you should say the players who had ed for the time.
:D

Nelly wrote: 5o3v72

Loctav I think you should say the players who had ed for the time.
:D
I think this will be revealed when the teams are 100% decided. Right now I think captains still has not been selected. Probably we will have to wait until this sunday at least, to know the countries that participates
popcorn guys
bye korea
will Korea form part of this year's MWC? (I found out that f1rst's banned... and jhlee's not playing) ....

what's going on with Korea exactly?

n1nj4 wrote: 6136

will Korea form part of this year's MWC? (I found out that f1rst's banned... and jhlee's not playing) ....
Korea is hardly lacking in players.
ooh you touch my talala

ATTang wrote: 2h2p4d

ooh you touch my talala
mmmmmmm my ding ding dong
Yep, korea gonna lose! Like, share, subscribe!

no hate pls :/
Topic Starter
We updated the wiki page and published all rosters just now!

Drawings will be held this Sunday, 16th August 2015 at 14:00 UTC+0. After that, we will show off the Group Stage mappool. Tomorrow, we will sort the teams into their respective seedings and release the result on the wiki page.
Let's face it, korea has no chance of winning this year.
USA vs Japan is inevitable.

Team Stepmania shall prevail.
U!

S!

A!


U! S! A!

#1 forever

Korea got nothing on this freedom

AMURICA!!!



Stepman squad assemble! Show these scrubby SEA teams who's boss!

Loctav wrote: 5b1v22

We updated the wiki page and published all rosters just now!

Drawings will be held this Sunday, 16th August 2015 at 14:00 UTC+0. After that, we will show off the Group Stage mappool. Tomorrow, we will sort the teams into their respective seedings and release the result on the wiki page.
We will see a map pool showcase like in CWC?

Tristan97 wrote: 334b1d

Stepman squad assemble! Show these scrubby SEA teams who's boss!
*Insert noodles here*




go straya, get top 8 this yearrrrr
Topic Starter
We put the seedings on the wiki page. Check it out!
It feels really strange seeing Korea in the High Seed and not in the Top one...

juankristal wrote: 1g5a7

It feels really strange seeing Korea in the High Seed and not in the Top one...
Omg, same exact thought
hail the Chinese [crz] team lol
Feels good to be low seeded :^)
rip korea ;_;
SWEDEN HYPE

RILIP GOT THIS, HE'LL CARRY US THROUGH

RIP TEAM STEPMANIA AND JAPAN

juankristal wrote: 1g5a7

It feels really strange seeing Korea in the High Seed and not in the Top one...
No, it doesn't if you see their lineup
Topic Starter
The mappool and the schedule can now be found on the wiki page!
damn it how am i supposed to 1v1 japan now
rip korea
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
nice tournament
and now captain can ban 2 maps?
inb4 IN 2006, kamui, haelequin, and AiAe insta-ban
Fun tournament, although I didn't play any matches (maybe next year :D ). Good luck for every team that ed group stage. See you again next year,
Sorry for saying that, but this is just ridiculous.

Is this a Spy/victorica world cup? :/

Tidek wrote: 6p6i2l

Is this a Spy/victorica world cup? :/

Tidek wrote: 6p6i2l

Is this a Spy/victorica world cup? :/
Don't forget whoosh whoosh bang bang
Don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest fan of the map pool myself as a player, but you have to suck it up and deal with it. For those of you who are on this ridiculous notion that the map-pool is over-saturated:

Qualia [MX]: S. Star
Gigadelic: Starry
Gravity Soul: Victorica
Asu no Yozora Shoukaihan: LovinYou
Creutz=Wilknare: SanadaYukimura
Dadadadadadadadadada: Victorica
HEAVENLY MOON: Spy
Shanghai Kouchakan ~ Chinese Tea Orchid Remix: SanadaYukimura
Yellow Smile: Starry
Invitation from Mr. C: Fresh Chicken
Trigger Happy: Spy
Ambitious: Spy
Water Horizon: Victorica
ETIA. - Nihonshiki Koukaku-OukaRanman-: Taiwan-NAK
Kanshou no Matenrou: Feerum
3x Spy, 2x Starry, 2x Victorica, 2x SanadaYukimura, 1x Simple Star, 1x LovinYou, 1x Fresh Chicken, 1x Taiwan-NAK, 1x Feerum

... I dunno, I think people are blowing things out of proportion.
3x victorica*

5/14 of mappool is from Spy's mapsets and 1 victorica mapset (but of course Spy and victorica are friends).

In my opinion its just not very professional as a mappicker to pick a lot of own maps (or friend maps), i can understand 1, maybe 2 maps, but not almost 50% of mappool, damn.

Also, there is a lot better and playable version of dadadada by PiraTom and maps like trigger happy are extremely focused only on one extreme difficulty spike (burst on intro) where rest of map is easy, tie breaker is also very questionable, because it only depends on 123412341234 bursts.

And yeah, I will have to deal with maps, but 1/16 round will be just ugly to watch (and play).
Topic Starter
Congratulations for everyone who is able to the Round of 16!

The mappool and the schedule can now be found on the wiki page!
We will release the knock-out bracket during tomorrow. Give us a bit to create the image for that properly.
Korea stronk, Brazil almost gave me a heart attack.
So, I ended up taking a screenshot of how our team was keeping scores organized and checking on everyone's progress on the maps, and a few people expressed interest in wanting something like this for their teams as well:



Anyway, I didn't want to just go ahead and release it to a few people that I knew through a common Skype chat, so for fairness' sake, I'm releasing it to everyone that is interested here.

Click here for the spreadsheet.

Go to File and Make a Copy so that the spreadsheet can be directly cloned to your for free editing. Do not touch cells Q1/R1/S1 -- they are responsible for the data validation. Hopefully this will help in organizing things for some teams!
the mappool is so damn ridiculous
I don't have too many issues with this map pool as a player; the only map that I really dislike in this pool is TRIGGER*HAPPY, but it's one of my higher scores so... *shrug*

Despite the previous posts and whatnot, I think the pool itself is quite diverse in of mapping style.

EDIT: actually, that's a white lie, I also personally detest Violet Soul, haha
I will just say, #blameCryo
dat mappool though

Halogen- wrote: 4h2pe

So, I ended up taking a screenshot of how our team was keeping scores organized and checking on everyone's progress on the maps, and a few people expressed interest in wanting something like this for their teams as well:



Anyway, I didn't want to just go ahead and release it to a few people that I knew through a common Skype chat, so for fairness' sake, I'm releasing it to everyone that is interested here.

Click here for the spreadsheet.

Go to File and Make a Copy so that the spreadsheet can be directly cloned to your for free editing. Do not touch cells Q1/R1/S1 -- they are responsible for the data validation. Hopefully this will help in organizing things for some teams!
Hah, nice. I was doing similiar thing for group stage in my team. Unfortunately I was just using only piece of paper and pen xD

Tidek wrote: 6p6i2l

Hah, nice. I was doing similiar thing for group stage in my team. Unfortunately I was just using only piece of paper and pen xD
Well, now you don't have to waste that precious ink and strain your hands! :D

In all seriousness, it is nice to see that other groups were at least trying to promote organization within their teams. It's really helpful when captains can see everything at a glance.
Thanks a lot for the Template Halogen-, It's really clean. One question toh: what does "MC" stand for?
Edit: Ok I guess It means Max Combo.
lol who needs spreadsheets all you need is a skype group and to occasionally ask if everyone's alright
We have done that but It's much easier to just open this, and we can easily see who have a stronger score.
dat mapool lol
So, are the brackets happening? I'd really like to see who we'll be facing in loser bracket next
Okay, so we didn't get it, welp
Topic Starter

-Kamikaze- wrote: 101r26

Okay, so we didn't get it, welp
let's say: due to an "inconvenient incident" from my personal side, I was unable to release the brackets by now. I will hand them in as soon as I have the option to.
Understood. I actually thought about doing brackets by myself but ehh forgot to
I gotta say, even tho mappools were kinda meh this round, the mappool showcased today is so good, that I'm genuinely happy that Starry and Spy are mappool selectors. Great fucking job.
Topic Starter
http://puu.sh/jUivf/0f3857b35f.jpg aaaaa I am going to slap the designer. This is way too spacious. But have it for now. Better than nothing. But it doesnt fit on the Wiki, so yeah... *flies and does the schedule*
Great mappool, very good job Starry.

Is it weird that I will play my own map in mwc? xD
Topic Starter
We updated the wiki with past match results, a link to the gigantic knock out bracket, the schedule, the mappool and a mappack for it.
Round of 8 mappools are generally the best, this doesn't disappoint. Pretty fond of this.
jumpstreams
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
EtienneXC? More like EtienneOP!

Tasha wrote: 4q5r3n

EtienneXC? More like EtienneOP!
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN

TASHA WITH THE MAD FIRE, SPEAKING THESE FLAMES OF WISDOM
Nice tie breaker for semi finals mappool.
Topic Starter
Updated the wiki with everything!

Rori Vidi Veni wrote: 6i266o

ETienne
i think EtienneXC & Halogen- for 4K omwc
I'm so hype to see if USA can actually win the whole thing
SUCH INTENSITY
MUCH HYPE
THAT COMEBACK
10/10 WOULD WATCH MATCH AGAIN

TIEBREAKER HYYYYYYYYYPE
I am so sorry.
Next matches 6:0 and 7:0 for USA there is no way that any1 will win atleast 1 round against them with that mappool (legit win, no disconnections)
Man, that Malaysia/Philippines matchup was incredible -- was really happy to be a part of the commentating team for that. Great job to both teams.
Topic Starter
Updated wiki. Will do the knockout bracket after sleeping. Doesnt seem like I'll get a redesign in time. Sorry for that :U
Malaysia vs PH was amazing, wanderlust !
for the people that asked me to do this again

le map picking/banning statistics




Finals hype
Man, I hate to be this person because I normally how to keep my mouth shut and whatnot, but...

...I would rather drink bleach than play Spy's Blastix Riotz... jesus christ. This map is the epitome of what NOT to do in a high speed song. >______>

Nwolf wrote: 2x5s6v

for the people that asked me to do this again

le map picking/banning statistics




Finals hype
Made an error in the MWC 4K Picks section, NS18 has only been played three times but is listed as 4. Am fond of this though, but I would've preferred to see percentages instead.

On another note, it is pretty funny to see that my maps either had a really high banrate or is played a very good majority of the time.
damn I thought I fixed NS18 lol




I could make percentages, I'll see. Thanks for :3
Waiting for this to end to start #owc hype
We don't need any of that in here

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

Waiting for this to end to start #owc hype
Waiting for fast owc end to start mwc 7k hype :^)
Topic Starter
wiki updated. Time to await the grand finals!

we have a proper bracket now
M. Night Shyamalan plot twist brought to you by Japan and Speed of Link.

(What the hell was that pick, hahaha...)
huge thanks to belgium for taking care of korea for us
you guys are amazing
Will the Grand Finals require Japan to win to USA 2 matches in a row in order to win the tournament? (That requirement is not always applied for Double Elimination tournaments, and the wiki is not very clear about that, the only possible allusion is this image http://puu.sh/bUq5V/f1066103b0.png).

Also, how will the 3rd place be determined? (The pairings done for the tournament aren't fair for determining a third place, any arbitrary criteria would have a bias; in general, double eliminations tournaments aren't appropriate for determining places beyond 2nd place).

By analyzing the results of the tournament (who won against which team), the tiers of the teams would be: (teams of the same tier can't be inferred to be worse or better than each other, since there is no enough information)

  1. Tier 1: Taiwan, Poland, Netherlands, Australia
  2. Tier 2: Canada, Argentina, , South Korea
  3. Tier 3: Indonesia
  4. Tier 4: China, Philippines, Brazil
  5. Tier 5: UK, Malaysia
If USA wins at least 1 match to Japan in the Grand Finals:
Tier 6: Japan
Tier 7: USA

If Japans wins once against USA in the Grand Finals (and there is no 2nd match)
Tier 6: Japan, USA

If Japan wins twice against USA:
Tier 6: USA
Tier 7: Japan
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