Reol 1vg4y Asymmetry‬ · forum‬

[General]
Artist should be "れをる" same as Amamiya Yuko's Mapset
Only in Promotion movie has "Vocal : Reol" but it's not true Source like this

[Kibboo's Insane]
01:25:632 - It's useless Inherited Point. You should remove this

[P A N's Extra]
00:10:632 - Useless Inherited Point
00:19:763 - ^
00:49:844 - ^
01:25:632 - ^
02:20:415 - ^

Gaia

2,808 posts

ed May 2013

Topic Starter

2015-05-30T07:35:12+00:00

well..

hopperhtkn wrote: 4863j
[General]
Artist should be "れをる" same as Amamiya Yuko's Mapset
Only in Promotion movie has "Vocal : Reol" but it's not true Source like this

what makes you think his set is correct then? but if you're looking for a source.. then here's what it looks like in the actual cd p/3963623

[Kibboo's Insane]
01:25:632 - It's useless Inherited Point. You should remove this

[P A N's Extra]
00:10:632 - Useless Inherited Point
00:19:763 - ^
00:49:844 - ^
01:25:632 - ^
02:20:415 - ^

green lines, well.. pretty useless telling me now when i cant do anything about them.. but in any case its not that big of an issue to cause a dq anyways so yeah

hopperhtkn

317 posts

ed April 2010

2015-05-30T08:35:47+00:00

Gaia wrote: 4j9o

well..

hopperhtkn wrote: 4863j
[General]
Artist should be "れをる" same as Amamiya Yuko's Mapset
Only in Promotion movie has "Vocal : Reol" but it's not true Source like this

what makes you think his set is correct then? but if you're looking for a source.. then here's what it looks like in the actual cd p/3963623

[Kibboo's Insane]
01:25:632 - It's useless Inherited Point. You should remove this

[P A N's Extra]
00:10:632 - Useless Inherited Point
00:19:763 - ^
00:49:844 - ^
01:25:632 - ^
02:20:415 - ^
green lines, well.. pretty useless telling me now when i cant do anything about them.. but in any case its not that big of an issue to cause a dq anyways so yeah

Actually her official introduced herself as "れをる" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGctbcrfk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vebKoO__8A#
So Artist "れをる" Romanised Artist "Reol" is the most naturall form for japanese people.
However I can't say that souce is not correct. So yeah you can keep this artist name.
I think either source is probably fine. so in the next time , I hope you (and others) to use Japanese "れをる" when making her map! thank you.

Fycho

Global

2,490 posts

ed August 2012

2015-05-31T04:26:48+00:00

Hello, sorry for inconvenience but on behalf of the QAT, I must disqualify your map due to the following issues:

Overall lack of quality in Extra: This Extra feels poorly constructed since all sections are almost equally jumpy. The flow is poor and positioning feels very random without logic. It’s fulled with random jumps which make the difficulty lack of structure, and it feels like it's trying to be difficult instead of reflect what's going on in the music, depite they have no problem when playing, they are totally playable. We think this difficulty needs a major overhaul. Examples will be listed below.
Abuse of electronic drums: The electronic drums you use in the calm part especially like 02:57:589 -03:07:371 –are really weird and don’t fit the music at all.
Some specific issues, which will be listed below as well.

Examples for overall lack of quality in Extra difficulty:
(Stuffs withouth detail explanation are random spaces/poor flow)

00:09:980 (6,7,8) -
00:22:697 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
00:23:676 (1,2,3) -
00:27:915 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
00:31:502 (1,2,3,4,5) -
00:34:111 (1,2,3,4) - (why do you use large space at such a calm part?)
00:47:154 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
00:54:002 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
00:52:371 (1,2,3) - (This kind of flow is a bit jerky)
01:05:741 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
01:46:828 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) -
01:54:980 (1,2,3,4,5) -
02:25:958 (5,1) -(why suddenly decrease the space?)
02:52:208 (9) – (why is the jump so large, not fitting the music)
03:13:893 (5,6,7,8) –
03:53:839 (2,3,4,5,6,7) –(Large space streams feels a bit overdone, considering the music)
03:54:328 (1,2) – This can be used to emphasize the drums, it’s good, but 03:54:654 (1,2) –feels bad, because the music turned to weakness, and the 03:54:654 - 03:54:736 - 03:54:817 - 03:54:899 –are of the same strength. http://puu.sh/i6JoW/e6b25f71e7.jpg
......

Please keep in mind that the above listed examples are just examples for the mentioned issues so that this generally applies to more than just these mentioned ones to avoid further disqualification.

Specific issues:

Light grey combo color blends in with the BG, it would be nice if you change the combo1.
Normal: 03:18:458 (1) - this slider was rather weird.
pk's Hard's OD setting is way low.
pk's Hard: 02:37:045 (2) - The random extended slider doesn't fit any sort of consistency within the map.
pk's Hard: 03:07:371 (1) - 03:18:458 (1) - Even these sliders, it's rolling over strong beats. I recommend to end at 03:07:861 - 03:19:274 –

For further assistance, please with BNG . Good luck.

###M

Edit: removed the BG issue after another discussion.

Qu1z

32 posts

ed October 2010

2015-05-31T04:29:09+00:00

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Fycho

Global

2,490 posts

ed August 2012

2015-05-31T05:24:48+00:00

tidied up the thread.

Please keep the thread clean, further useless or unhelpful posts will be removed.

Kinshara

823 posts

ed November 2013

2015-05-31T05:47:19+00:00

One of the QAT wrote: 452c1h
The bg is a girl licking a candied apple. The song is a tragic love. It doesnt even fit the tone of the vocals and song despite the lyrics.

Hahaha. This is ridiculous. As if most of the people here speak/ understand Japanese fluently enough to know what the song is about. People have been putting "moe girl" BGs to almost every Japanese song (even English ones). Perhaps, you have put backgrounds like those to some unfitting songs yourself, Fycho.

Lust

osu! Alumni

2,667 posts

ed January 2013

2015-05-31T06:35:19+00:00

The comment on the disqualification post concerning the bg has been revoked. We apologize for any inconvenience!

Good luck towards requalification.

Flask

Beatmap Nominator

3,471 posts

ed July 2011

2015-05-31T08:31:49+00:00

可以找我re

Cherry Blossom

3,185 posts

ed October 2011

2015-05-31T09:06:59+00:00

lol. Please, guys you're not serious x)
~~I'll mod Extra soon.~~ Don't KD if you're going to contest this DQ.

Extra 4z4146

Comments about mentioned points (DQ post) :

00:09:980 (6,7,8) - what's wrong with this pattern ? the spacing is different and it gives acool impression and it is still readable even thought the second circle is overlapped by another one. This kind of technique is used everywhere and they play well.
Is this random spacing or poor flow ? I'm pretty sure the larger distance between 00:10:143 (7,8) - is intentional to emphasize the hitsounds Gaia added to the objects, so is there a valid reason ?
00:22:697 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - uuuuuuh i don't agree here too, why do you consider this as a random spacing or a poor flow ? this pattern plays well and i don't really feel any problem when playing. Plus, concerning the distance between each circles, if i try to understand, the larger distance between 00:23:187 (5,6,7) - emphasizes the vocals ? maybe, i'm not Gaia but that's how i can interpret this pattern.
00:23:676 (1,2,3) - Yea the distance between each object is different, but not really noticeable when playing, it should be fixed and tidied.
00:27:915 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - here, i don't really get what is the issue here. This patterns plays well and naturally.
00:31:502 (1,2,3,4,5) - The spacing is different here, it should be tidied.
00:34:111 (1,2,3,4) - I agree that the spacing is a little large, but this diff is a challenging diff ? and the difficulty is consistent. Plus, you didn't mention these sliders 00:36:067 (3,4) - which have the same distance as the circles you mentionned. So, this reasoning is incomplete if you were going to mention all "overdone" spacings, but i see that the you said that you didn't mention all objects, but it could be better if you say something like "and many more on this part" etc. Never mind, the distance should be reduced.

Awh well, i'm not supposed to contest this DQ reason I won't continue to give comments, i'll just let Gaia do it if he wants.

_______________________________________________

Mod :
00:27:426 (5) - Just a few pixels but, it could be better if there is an equal distance between 00:27:263 (4,5,1) - , because it could be misleading to some QATs and you might get DQed a second time, it will just make this pattern more tidy, i don't really think that the higher distance between 00:27:426 (5,1) - is intentional to emphasize the strong beat on 00:27:589 - am i wrong ?
00:46:013 - it could be better if you make this tick followed, because the current pattern just skip this tick. It's an Extra diff and the note density should be at its maximum. If you apply this suggestion, don't forget 02:05:415 (1,2) -
00:56:937 (3,4) - Here, i suggest you to add more distance between both. When i testplayed it, i just got a 100 on 00:57:100 (4) - because i played it too early because compared to the previous 1/2 sliders, the distance between 00:56:937 (3,4) - looks way lower, it's just an optical illusion. A higher distance between them could help the player to be more accurate. It's up to you, if you apply this suggestion, don't forget to apply on other patterns like this.
01:15:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This pattern is surprising, 1/4 notes are not enough powerful, these sliders are "too much" for what the song provides, consider reducing a little the distance between them.
01:47:480 (3) - Not really a good idea, i mean, the distance between 01:47:317 (2,3) - is lower than 01:47:154 (1,2) - . And this note 01:47:480 (3) - should be emphasized because you can hear that it is a strong beat. So, there should be a higher distance between 01:47:317 (2,3) - . (at least, equal to 01:47:154 (1,2) - )
02:24:165 (3,4,5,6,7) - here, the transition between objects is a little weird, the spacing between each objects is different, and the motion is a little circular. Everything that makes this pattern not really comfortable to play, for an Insane diff player (not a challenging diff player). Find a solution which makes this pattern easier to play, at least, consistent spacing, or triangles etc.
03:48:295 (9,1) - it could be better if the sliderend is not overlapped with the stream. A higher distance between 03:48:295 (9,1) - could be more comfortable to play because there is already a higher distance between 03:47:806 (4,5) - and that means 03:48:458 (1) - plays like an antijump, and that's a little weird. You did it here 03:56:121 (10,1) - and that plays good.

As fycho said, there is a lot of things to tidy up like inconsistent spacing between objects, and i really doubt that it is intentional. I didn't say spacing changes.
I don't have time to handle the requalification process, sorry.
Good luck.

Last edited by Cherry Blossom 2015-05-31T18:22:21+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

MetoA

18 posts

ed January 2014

2015-05-31T10:20:53+00:00

This song was my favorite

i couldn't stop listening to it, and also rip 332 and 290 pp plays i got ;-;
(well i can stil listen to it, it was more fun to play it when it was qualified idk why xD)

xsrsbsns

1,935 posts

ed July 2010

2015-05-31T11:20:33+00:00

I've played Extra and 90% of the stuff mentioned by the DQ post are a non-issue in my humble opinion, most of the note placements listed are perfectly fine and seems like cherry picking. but it's already disqualified, so just good luck on the rerank.

pkk

1,821 posts

ed November 2013

2015-05-31T13:21:01+00:00

Fycho wrote: 4j2d3k

pk's Hard's OD setting is way low. I don't think OD6 is very low, perhaps you mistook the normal diff's OD for the hard diff

pk's Hard: 02:37:045 (2) - The random extended slider doesn't fit any sort of consistency within the map fixed

pk's Hard: 03:07:371 (1) - 03:18:458 (1) - Even these sliders, it's rolling over strong beats. I recommend to end at 03:07:861 - 03:19:274 –7
I left the first one as a transition from low density to high density objects. I reduced the length of the second one to the white tick

Thanks Fycho + other QATs

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215,229,241013,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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355,352,241991,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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ithgyu

468 posts

ed October 2014

2015-05-31T14:46:18+00:00

the construction of the extra diff does feel a bit eh, its kinda clunky, but then again there are so many maps that have been ranked the past few months which feel countless times worse than this. This is without a doubt bearable, and at least the map is consistent in its style throughout. It feels like nitpicking and i dont have anything against this, as long as its consistent, which i really dont think it is at all.

Basically what im trying to say is that yes the construction certainly isnt perfect, but at the same time i honestly dont believe that it clearly falls below the standard that requires the mapset to be dq'd

Charles445

Elite Mapper II: Aspirant / osu! Paragon

2,881 posts

ed March 2009

2015-05-31T17:04:01+00:00

Hi Gaia, been looking at the DQ post

Thoughts and Replies

00:09:980 (6,7,8) -
5 and 7's stacking mirrors the stacking of the previous pattern. 8 is pointing down, which is the general movement from 7 to 8 (sideways movement is negligible here). 8 catches the player and gives them time to slow down for the drop-off to the next combo.
00:22:697 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
Same style of stacking as before, 6 to 7 marks a change in direction, so emphasis on 6 is implied, as can be seen with it having a clap.
2 to 3 is the first real jump of this part, since 1 to 2 is a drop-off. So, 3 has emphasis for being the start of the jumping pattern.
00:23:676 (1,2,3) -
Nobody's actually going to be following that 1 slider, they'll be moving to the 2 before the 1 finishes. 1 to 2 is extremely soft of a jump so there's no emphasis there. So bam, jump to 3, catching with slider.
00:27:915 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
Effectively the same stacking and angle changes as before. 1 to 2 is still a dropoff, so 2 to 3 is the first official jump. The angle can really be seen here since 3 4 5 is basically just a back and forth with increased spacing (note how the stacking is again, identical to previous instances). Angle changes at 6 to 7, like before. Emphasis on 3 and 6, like before.
00:31:502 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Not sure what's being pointed out here, the change in spacing? It's constant 1/2 the spacing changes aren't going to mess people up, and that combo is all about spacing changes (4 to 5 to 6 being the prime example).
00:34:111 (1,2,3,4) - (why do you use large space at such a calm part?)
Stylistic decision most likely. Worth noting those jumps happen after stacks, so the player has time to prepare.
00:47:154 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
Stacking gimmick introduced at 1,2, carried out through 3,4 and 5,8 and 7,1 . Other than that, 7 to 8 is a different change in angle than a simple back and forth. Very similar to what's going on at 00:28:078 -
00:54:002 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
Oh hey this is really cool
Notice how the vocalist is calm at (2), then loud at (4), then calm at (6) again? The spacing reflects that, 2 - 3 is smaller, 4 to 5 is bigger, 5 to 6 is smaller.
00:52:371 (1,2,3) - (This kind of flow is a bit jerky)
Sliders trivialize the movement on this pattern, you can basically stop at 2 earlier than normal because of the 1's leniency, making the blunt angle from 2 to 3 very easy.
01:05:741 (2,3,4,5,6,7) -
Not sure the problem here, 3 to 4 being too small? The vocalist isn't there at (4) and there is no kick.
01:46:828 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) -
Again not sure what's being pointed out here, the angle from 5 to 1 to 2? It's reduced spacing so even a square won't be troublesome.
4567 accelerated spacing, 1 is a catch slider (you have to move downwards anyway)
01:54:980 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Spacing pairs, cmon, emphasis on white ticks, stacks make the jumps easier.
02:25:958 (5,1) -(why suddenly decrease the space?)
It's a new combo... also it's sliders, if you put a slider down your spacing is reduced anyway. The only actually large spacing is 3 to 4 to 5., 3 to 4 only counting because the slider does not effect the movement (it's pointing in the same direction as the next object).
02:52:208 (9) – (why is the jump so large, not fitting the music)
To keep 9 to 1 a powerful jump most likely
03:13:893 (5,6,7,8) –
Don't know what's being pointed out here, I assume the spacing change? It goes well with the angle change if you ask me, it breaks out of its back and forth at that point.
03:53:839 (2,3,4,5,6,7) –(Large space streams feels a bit overdone, considering the music)
I'm not one to talk about spaced out streams (I don't use them much and don't play maps with them often) so I'd have to leave this opinion to those who regularly indulge in it.
03:54:328 (1,2) – This can be used to emphasize the drums, it’s good, but 03:54:654 (1,2) –feels bad, because the music turned to weakness, and the 03:54:654 - 03:54:736 - 03:54:817 - 03:54:899 –are of the same strength. http://puu.sh/i6JoW/e6b25f71e7.jpg
It's just as weak as the stream before it, then, because it's not actually mapping to the drum beat. It's mapping to the synth thing in the music.
It's not being used to emphasize the drums, I'm certain the hitsounds were added in for consistency and not for emphasis.

Specific issues:

Light grey combo color blends in with the BG, it would be nice if you change the combo1.
Not too hard to see IMO
Normal: 03:18:458 (1) - this slider was rather weird.
Extra has one too, intentionally weird.
pk's Hard's OD setting is way low.
6 is hard for a low? Oh shit don't look at liquid then
pk's Hard: 02:37:045 (2) - The random extended slider doesn't fit any sort of consistency within the map.
You guys don't hear the scratching noise in the music? It's playing off of that moment. On my end it's in the left ear, so listen with that ear.
It's not consistent, but it's definitely not random.
pk's Hard: 03:07:371 (1) - 03:18:458 (1) - Even these sliders, it's rolling over strong beats. I recommend to end at 03:07:861 - 03:19:274 –
They're being used to transition from points of nothing to points of something. It's not a bad recommendation but I'm sure the mapper wants to use them as transition devices.

So at this point you have a couple of options.

You can accept the DQ and make some changes to the spaced out streams, and perhaps make some jumps easier here and there if you want as well as apply the guest map changes.
You can contest the DQ, since most everything seems intentional / not a huge problem.

My recommendation is to not update the map, and get some players to evaluate the spaced out streams at the end of the map. That really seems to be the one big troublesome point.
Just make sure not to update so you can contest if you need.

7ambda

2,597 posts

ed January 2015

2015-05-31T17:04:29+00:00

MetoA wrote: 2d3d2l
This song was my favorite i couldn't stop listening to it, and also rip 332 and 290 pp plays i got ;-;
(well i can stil listen to it, it was more fun to play it when it was qualified idk why xD)

Maybe because you wanted to see it in your top ranks.

dqs01733

296 posts

ed October 2013

2015-05-31T17:56:16+00:00

I've Read DQ post and Charles reply, here are my opinions on last 2 points.

stream and 1/4 sliders

03:53:839 (2,3,4,5,6,7) –(Large space streams feels a bit overdone, considering the music)
I'm not one to talk about spaced out streams (I don't use them much and don't play maps with them often) so I'd have to leave this opinion to those who regularly indulge in it. I believe the spacing here is appropiate. I think it's the mapper's intention to reflect the synth thing so a 0.1x ds increase and make it linear is a good way to differentiate it from the other common 5s bursts
03:54:328 (1,2) – This can be used to emphasize the drums, it’s good, but 03:54:654 (1,2) –feels bad, because the music turned to weakness, and the 03:54:654 - 03:54:736 - 03:54:817 - 03:54:899 –are of the same strength. http://puu.sh/i6JoW/e6b25f71e7.jpg
It's just as weak as the stream before it, then, because it's not actually mapping to the drum beat. It's mapping to the synth thing in the music.
It's not being used to emphasize the drums, I'm certain the hitsounds were added in for consistency and not for emphasis. About this, I agree with Fycho. 03:54:328 (1,2,1,2,1) - This is constant 1/4 sound to follow the synths, but players single tap like 1/2, maybe it's not your intention, but the previous stream sets up an emphasization on the strong beats on 03:54:328 - , 03:54:491 - and 03:54:654 - with single tapping, so it makes it feel weird to also single tap on 03:54:817 - which has no strong beat. I believe that making 03:54:654 (1,2,1) - into a single stream fits better, because i feel like the tap on a stream start emphasize strong beat on 03:54:654 - , and then continue streaming feels more "continuous" like a 1/1 slider to reflect 1/1 gap between the strong beats. Instead of repeated 1/2 clicking which takes away all emphasization that 03:54:328 (1,2) - had

I hope it makes sense.

Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

5,846 posts

ed August 2013

2015-06-01T03:32:37+00:00

most of it played fine to me as well, also the kicksliders I think fits well enough.

/me runs

hopperhtkn

317 posts

ed April 2010

2015-06-01T05:11:06+00:00

hopperhtkn wrote: 4863j
[Kibboo's Insane]
01:25:632 - It's useless Inherited Point. You should remove this

[P A N's Extra]
00:10:632 - Useless Inherited Point
00:19:763 - ^
00:49:844 - ^
01:25:632 - ^
02:20:415 - ^

Please fix those probrems when update.
And some mod for Extra diff

00:46:176 - Move whistle to 00:46:339 -
01:57:589 (1) - Add soft whistle
02:22:371 - Add drum finish
03:17:480 (3,5,7) - Add whistle?
03:18:458 - Drum-hitnormal makes it strong impression. I suggest remove addictions.
03:52:371 (1) - Add sliderwhistle
04:02:806 (1) - ^
04:08:350 - I feel weird this part. 04:08:676 (3,2,2) - X:76 Y160?
04:09:817 (1) - X:148 Y:80?
04:10:469 (2) - This circle makes me sad.. so hard to AIM. Move to X444 Y144?

GL for requalified!

Fatal015

41 posts

ed May 2014

2015-06-02T02:34:47+00:00

I don't even care what anyone says really. I love this map.

Loctav

Popcorn Fairy

4,496 posts

ed February 2009

2015-06-03T21:49:57+00:00

Hello!

We have received your message and want to make a decision on your attempt to contest this disqualification. Unfortunately, we saw no option to revert this decision being made, yet we saw some lacks of the initial disqualification post as it was not explaining sufficiently the core issue behind this. We want to help you understanding the actual problem more, so please read carefully! If you have questions, feel free to ask either p3n, ztrot or me.

Fycho mentioned an overall lack of quality in the Extra, blaming a lack of flow and random beat placement. We beg to differ here. We do not precisely consider the beat placement by itself as random or bad in flow. Anyways, what we want to criticize is the lack of an actual concept. As we do not think that you did not know what you were doing or that your patterns are not well designed, we think that you partially ignored that this song is actually a mixture out of returning music samples, that reoccure again and again. However, you did not ignore that everywhere! We want to have beatmaps with a conceptional regonizeable pattern design that returns to a degree in slight variations at returning music sequences.
Here is a positive and a negative example:
1. 00:31:502 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - vs 00:36:719 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This is how a concept works. (1,2) is stacked (2,3) is spaced, (3,4) is stacked, (5,6,7,8) have a similiar way of extending jumps or running patterns. Variation 1 appears on 00:31:502 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - and another variation appears on 00:36:719 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -. They are not the same, but they are recognizeable and placed on the same music sequence.
2. 01:15:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - vs 01:38:187 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - We might want to argue here that the synthesizer is not playing the exact same melody, but let's be real here: the instrument behaves comparable. Anyways, you decided to put kickslider on the one and a normal stream on the other. This is contradictive. This is a recognizeable and returning music sample that happens across the entire song. And because you did not decide for which option you want to go, this appears to be a lack of an actual concept.
You want to make your usage of patterns more consistent. Once you put triangles on the melody, then sliders, then zig-zags, then you put slider streams on the melody, then on the vocals, then on the drums. I mean, you want to decide for one option. Or for one big overall concept. Your patterns itself might appear fine (not every, read the next point), but creativity doesn't mean to put everything you can figure into one beatmap. Make a nice selection of your most superb patterns that fit the song and put them together, decide for something and do not try too hard to put as much different stuff as possible. Rather try to figure a way to make "the same stuff differently", variate the patterns you used, modify them - be creative in a conceptional way!
We want to see 02:45:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - changed. This is one of the patterns that really didn't work out well and really peaked out of the individual pattern designs which were overall polished, yet to be composed better (read above) Pay attention to the flow, try to not break it too often, use flow breaks sparingly. And do not place a kick-slider like that out of nowhere.
Concurring to the original disqualification, we want to raise our concerns on captin's Extra, too. While the Extra has a connection to the music, we miss the connection to the music on this difficulty quite a lot. The extended sliders, that forces you to alternate, because why not; kicksliders because why not; triplets because why not. We are not saying that the map plays bad or is poorly mapped. It just does not listen to the music. Whereas the Extra has a multitude of concepts that were not composed together fluently, this one appears to have no real concept and is more of a compilation of difficult patterns for the sake of it. We believe that the Extra, if polished as we mentioned, would suffice for this mapset. Hence captin's Extra is a version that is more mapped for difficulty than correlation to the music. We miss how you did not follow the song more than just in a basic way, without attempting to represent the music in the best way possible. This can not be ranked and therefore we can not let it .

Anyways we want to say that the Easy, Normal and Hard are fine. The jump from Hard to Insane is quite large and a bit borderline, but whatever. P A N's Extra is a well made beatmap and turns out to look nice. Only the Extra and captin's Extra requires quite some rework.

Sorry for the inconveniences. I hope you can understand our concerns and we wish you good luck in getting this requalified. Make sure to consider all of our point and reconceptionalize your beatmap, so we can have this stellar piece of music soon in our Ranked Beatmaps section.

captin1

osu! Alumni

2,608 posts

ed February 2011

2015-06-03T22:18:06+00:00

Loctav wrote: 5b1v22

Concurring to the original disqualification, we want to raise our concerns on captin's Extra, too. While the Extra has a connection to the music, we miss the connection to the music on this difficulty quite a lot.
The extended sliders, that forces you to alternate, because why not; I can go through and clearly articulate both the reason, and the consistency that these sliders create. Difficulty in rhythm is something that lacks in many maps and I very well take into the playstyle needed in order to play these correctly in the map
kicksliders because why not; Each kickslider is either representing 1/4 in the music or a particular sound or emphasis that I feel is deserving of both the distinct playstyle and movement that kicksliders create.
triplets because why not. These are often not even expanding upon the music. There is 1/4 track in the music that I am using these triples to help emphasize and bring out the music in a new color than the previous difficulties.
We are not saying that the map plays bad or is poorly mapped. It just does not listen to the music. If I wanted to map without listening to the music, I would do it without headphones. I can assure you, each part of this map correlates to the music very clearly
Whereas the Extra has a multitude of concepts that were not composed together fluently, this one appears to have no real concept and is more of a compilation of difficult patterns for the sake of it. They are not just mapped "for the sake of it." There are very clear and distinct reasons for each and every pattern in the map, and they are intentionally done yes, to be difficult. But difficulty in itself is not a bad thing. If every map was like Gaia's Extra, there would be little variety in the mapping community.
We believe that the Extra, if polished as we mentioned, would suffice for this mapset. Hence captin's Extra is a version that is more mapped for difficulty than correlation to the music. This is what I mean when I say that people are detached. Even the QAT themselves did not have any issue with this map, and yet you suddenly decide it needs an entire rework. This is completely against any sort of "community driven" ranking process, and instead clearly shows that it is a "management driven" one. The standards of the community as a whole are more important than your own
We miss how you did not follow the song more than just in a basic way, without attempting to represent the music in the best way possible. This can not be ranked and therefore we can not let it . I am not just representing the music, I am emphasizing it, and showing people my understanding of it. Mapping is what I do to share my ion for music with others, and when they play my maps, I wish for them to see how I see the song.

I would like to see concrete examples of where you believe these "issues" have arisen, and more importantly why. Vagueness in something like quality will get you nowhere with me, because I have just as strong, if not stronger opinions on how maps of this caliber should function, honed through years of both playing and mapping maps similar in concept. If you would like to discuss with me directly, feel free. But I have no intentions to simply bend over to these flawed and uninformed opinions, and firmly believe this does not need major revision to be ranked.

Gaia

2,808 posts

ed May 2013

Topic Starter

2015-06-04T06:00:56+00:00

apparently a lot of you have been dying to hear my opinions here LOL

no this map isnt gunna die anytime soon, ive just been busy with finals lately thats all

after all, mapping is a happy thing! |ω･)و ̑̑༉

also thanks to everyone who ed my map after the dq, u guys are awesome!

Gaia 終於有反應了 wwww

--- about the changes I'll get to them after all my exams
and then I'll get the party started again! (;

pkk

1,821 posts

ed November 2013

2015-06-04T10:57:27+00:00

|owo)9"'*

1319

515 posts

ed June 2013

2015-06-06T20:39:57+00:00

dont left dream as dream

Pringle

39 posts

ed November 2014

2015-06-07T17:55:51+00:00

this must get requalified, my favourite maaaap

Yales

826 posts

ed February 2013

2015-06-14T02:40:49+00:00

Gogo ! ><

Last edited by Yales 2015-06-16T21:20:49+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

Bonobo

32 posts

ed December 2012

2015-06-14T03:03:40+00:00

hopefully it's get re-qualified, only played captin's dif but it's currently one of my favourite maps. keep it up

Lumael

1,520 posts

ed December 2014

2015-06-19T00:15:14+00:00

Well, not really a mod, just a suggestion, don't give kudosu. I want this song back ranked :3

Kibboo's Insane 5f1525
00:19:763 (1) - This is really ugly and odd and I don't have words to describe this '-'

Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

5,846 posts

ed August 2013

2015-06-19T02:40:20+00:00

LucaSA4 wrote: 5c4c6n
Well, not really a mod, just a suggestion, don't give kudosu. I want this song back ranked :3

Kibboo's Insane 5f1525
00:19:763 (1) - This is really ugly and odd and I don't have words to describe this '-'

thank you for your time spent formatting this

pkk

1,821 posts

ed November 2013

2015-06-19T02:53:00+00:00

nice slider :^) jk fix that ugly shit

anyways I decided to update my hard diff to my new 2015 hard diff standards (TM)(c)

01:23:676 (1,2) - changed the shapes here and curved some sliders at other random places

nice

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314,328,212480,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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369,141,231719,1,0,0:0:0:0:
425,220,231882,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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364,150,233350,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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170,267,237263,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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180,73,238730,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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355,352,241991,1,0,3:0:0:0:
297,273,242154,2,0,L|211:254,1,75,0|0,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
147,317,242480,2,0,L|61:298,1,75,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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314,286,244355,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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492,297,249654,1,0,3:0:0:0:
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Muzika

79 posts

ed July 2013

2015-06-19T04:59:01+00:00

I have NEVER been on the mapping forums, but~

Love Me Again wrote: 215an
this must get requalified, my favourite maaaap

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,325 posts

ed November 2013

2015-06-22T10:39:51+00:00

As requested.
Other diffs are fine as mentioned in Loctav's post so I will focus in Extra and captin's Extra

[Extra]

00:21:556 (3) - I would suggest you to change the shape of this slider, unlike 01:23:676 (1) the current one here with red anchors do not fit to the music well, thus flow looks weird when it comes to 00:21:393 (2,3,4)
00:31:828 (3,4) - 00:34:111 (1,2,3,4) - The spacing is too large when it is the calm part, which is not suitable. so I recommend you to decrease the spacing in this two jumps as it contradict with the music, the other two 00:36:719 (1,2,3,4) and 00:39:328 (1,2,3,4) are fine in my opinion
00:47:154 (1,2,3,4) - You may have to change the pattern and the spacing among these notes, especially when this stack is much similar than in the one calm part 00:31:502, they should be different since the music in 00:47:154 (1,2,3,4) is strong, it should have a larger spacing than those in 00:31:502 (1,2,3,4) or 00:34:111 (1,2,3,4) and so on
01:46:339 (3) - Same reason as 00:21:556 (3)
01:46:828 (4,5,1,2) - Flow is poor in here, it did mention in Fycho's post as well, 01:47:317 (2) breaks the back and forth vertical movement in 01:46:828 (4,5,1), even though the flow in 01:46:991 (5,1,2) is smooth enough. In my opinion I would suggest to put 01:47:317 (2) below 01:47:154 (1) instead of a similar horizontal level. For example:

eg
02:14:056 (4,5,6,1) - May consider to increase the spacing here as it is a bit close compared to other parts in chorus
02:25:958 (5,1) - As disqualification post mentioned, the spacing sudden decreased in here and i do agree, so I would suggest to place it higher for a bit
02:28:730 (7,1) - Same as here, increase the spacing as well
02:56:284 (1,2,3) - 02:56:937 (4,5) - Spacing with 1/4 gaps is large when compared with others like 01:07:371 (3) or 02:04:763 (4) or others, the music is soft and there is no vocal so it is not suitable to emphasis with a large jump, I would recommend you to reducing the spacing here if you decided to keep using 1/4 sliders in this soft part
03:53:187 (4,5,6) - The music is not strong enough to place a jump that large, Try this one instead:

eg
03:54:654 (1,2) - Another one mentioned by the dq post as well. Since the drums sound in 03:54:654 (1,2) is softer than in 03:54:328 (1,2), it should not have a larger spacing, or even use 1/4 sliders to represent, perhaps you can reduce the spacing so that it is the closer or you can try small jumps with 4 notes as well

[captin's Extra]

00:23:350 (7,8) - Flow is weird when 00:23:350 (7,8) - 00:23:513 (8,1) are having opposite direction, it is better to keep the downward movement when the jump is slightly moving down, I would suggest you to place 00:23:676 (1) below 00:23:513 (8) for a smoother flow

eg
00:30:850 (6,7) - It is fine to use 1/4 sliders in my opinion. However, due to the calm part start at 00:31:502, it is not suitable to make a large distance of jump before it, so I would recommend to reduce the spacing
00:58:730 (1) - 00:58:893 is a strong beat, may consider to use note or slider head to emphasis instead of slider end
01:01:502 (1,2,1,2) - In my opinion, the music here is not strong enough to use 1/4 sliders to represent, but the one in 01:02:154 (1,2,1,1) is fine as there are drums in background music, so I recommend to change 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2)
01:18:458 - How about adding a note here, to represent the end of vocal
01:39:002 (11,12) - May consider changing this into streams, since the pitch is start decreasing from 01:39:002, it is not really suitable to use 1/4 sliders when it represent a stronger beat then normal streams
02:16:991 (1) - Same as 00:58:730 (1)
02:19:763 (1,2,1,2) - Same as 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2), the music is not that strong which is suitable to use 1/4 slider to represent
03:11:447 (5,6) - 03:11:284 (4,5) is in upward movement, so i would suggest to keep this flow by placing 03:11:611 (6) higher than 03:11:447 (5)

eg
03:27:589 (1,2,1,2) - Same reason as mentioned above
03:41:937 (1,2) - The jump here is too large compared to those in other chorus like 01:15:850 (1), music isn't strong enough to use such a large jump and moreover, it will become difficult for players to hit the following streams 03:42:100 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) accurately, so consider to reduce the distance
04:09:328 (1,2,3,1) - There is a back and forth movement in 04:09:328 (1,2,3), so it is better when 04:09:817 (1) is placed near 04:09:980 (2) to keep this flow instead of making sharp movement to bottom

I am not going to comment a lot age of the 1/4 sliders in captin's Extra, but I would like to see more mods in order to get more opinions from different players/modders to see if it is appropriate, so that we can push it forward

Gaia wrote: 4j9o
mapping is a happy thing! |ω･)و ̑̑༉

Ciyus Miapah

3,028 posts

ed June 2013

2015-06-22T11:52:20+00:00

Gaia wrote: 4j9o
mapping is a happy thing! |ω･)و ̑̑༉

happy mfapping

~ n i c e m a p ~

Gaia

2,808 posts

ed May 2013

Topic Starter

2015-06-22T17:33:09+00:00

Chaos

Chaoslitz wrote: pq5n
As requested.
Other diffs are fine as mentioned in Loctav's post so I will focus in Extra and captin's Extra

[notice][Extra]

00:21:556 (3) - I would suggest you to change the shape of this slider, unlike 01:23:676 (1) the current one here with red anchors do not fit to the music well, thus flow looks weird when it comes to 00:21:393 (2,3,4) actually (3) flows really well into (4) and (5) to (1) is a back and forth pattern

00:31:828 (3,4) - 00:34:111 (1,2,3,4) - The spacing is too large when it is the calm part, which is not suitable. so I recommend you to decrease the spacing in this two jumps as it contradict with the music, the other two 00:36:719 (1,2,3,4) and 00:39:328 (1,2,3,4) are fine in my opinion sure i guess

00:47:154 (1,2,3,4) - You may have to change the pattern and the spacing among these notes, especially when this stack is much similar than in the one calm part 00:31:502, they should be different since the music in 00:47:154 (1,2,3,4) is strong, it should have a larger spacing than those in 00:31:502 (1,2,3,4) or 00:34:111 (1,2,3,4) and so on these notes are stronger, hence the larger spacing.. oh well moved a little anyways

01:46:339 (3) - Same reason as 00:21:556 (3) (4) is a kick, wanted to break flow a little

01:46:828 (4,5,1,2) - Flow is poor in here, it did mention in Fycho's post as well, 01:47:317 (2) breaks the back and forth vertical movement in 01:46:828 (4,5,1), even though the flow in 01:46:991 (5,1,2) is smooth enough. In my opinion I would suggest to put 01:47:317 (2) below 01:47:154 (1) instead of a similar horizontal level. For example: yes the flow from the teal to blue combo isnt ideal but do recognize how there's a different instrument kicking in at 01:47:154 (1) - so the flow break follows that

02:14:056 (4,5,6,1) - May consider to increase the spacing here as it is a bit close compared to other parts in chorus from (6) to (1)? still an antijump but move further away a bit

02:25:958 (5,1) - As disqualification post mentioned, the spacing sudden decreased in here and i do agree, so I would suggest to place it higher for a bit wat? the spacing into (5) is 1.72 and out of it is 1.79 so i have no idea what you're talking about.. it increased..

02:28:730 (7,1) - Same as here, increase the spacing as well antijump :>

02:56:284 (1,2,3) - 02:56:937 (4,5) - Spacing with 1/4 gaps is large when compared with others like 01:07:371 (3) or 02:04:763 (4) or others, the music is soft and there is no vocal so it is not suitable to emphasis with a large jump, I would recommend you to reducing the spacing here if you decided to keep using 1/4 sliders in this soft part listen to the synthesizer thing, is it there on the other parts? nope. granted the 2nd part doesnt have it so i did move it around

03:53:187 (4,5,6) - The music is not strong enough to place a jump that large, Try this one instead: actually the problem here is the jump into (6) which i moved

03:54:654 (1,2) - Another one mentioned by the dq post as well. Since the drums sound in 03:54:654 (1,2) is softer than in 03:54:328 (1,2), it should not have a larger spacing, or even use 1/4 sliders to represent, perhaps you can reduce the spacing so that it is the closer or you can try small jumps with 4 notes as well not following drums, following the stream part

I am not going to comment a lot age of the 1/4 sliders in captin's Extra, but I would like to see more mods in order to get more opinions from different players/modders to see if it is appropriate, so that we can push it forward

Gaia wrote: 4j9o
mapping is a happy thing! |ω･)و ̑̑༉

thanks for mod !

also lol thx fort

Cherry Blossom

3,185 posts

ed October 2011

2015-06-22T19:52:57+00:00

uuuh, Did you reply to my mod ?

AlphaFlow

11 posts

ed May 2013

2015-06-22T20:36:00+00:00

Why is this not ranked?! this song is so,SOOO fun to play! (only can do the 4,8star one tho ;c)

Gaia

2,808 posts

ed May 2013

Topic Starter

2015-06-22T21:41:56+00:00

CB

Cherry Blossom wrote: 5u433y
lol. Please, guys you're not serious x)
~~I'll mod Extra soon.~~ Don't KD if you're going to contest this DQ.

Extra 4z4146

Mod :

00:27:426 (5) - Just a few pixels but, it could be better if there is an equal distance between 00:27:263 (4,5,1) - , because it could be misleading to some QATs and you might get DQed a second time, it will just make this pattern more tidy, i don't really think that the higher distance between 00:27:426 (5,1) - is intentional to emphasize the strong beat on 00:27:589 - am i wrong ? yes ok moved it together more =w=

00:46:013 - it could be better if you make this tick followed, because the current pattern just skip this tick. It's an Extra diff and the note density should be at its maximum. If you apply this suggestion, don't forget 02:05:415 (1,2) - wait uhh i dont really get this :s

00:56:937 (3,4) - Here, i suggest you to add more distance between both. When i testplayed it, i just got a 100 on 00:57:100 (4) - because i played it too early because compared to the previous 1/2 sliders, the distance between 00:56:937 (3,4) - looks way lower, it's just an optical illusion. A higher distance between them could help the player to be more accurate. It's up to you, if you apply this suggestion, don't forget to apply on other patterns like this. yeahh i agree, moved this and other ones further apart

01:15:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This pattern is surprising, 1/4 notes are not enough powerful, these sliders are "too much" for what the song provides, consider reducing a little the distance between them. yup changed to stream instead

01:47:480 (3) - Not really a good idea, i mean, the distance between 01:47:317 (2,3) - is lower than 01:47:154 (1,2) - . And this note 01:47:480 (3) - should be emphasized because you can hear that it is a strong beat. So, there should be a higher distance between 01:47:317 (2,3) - . (at least, equal to 01:47:154 (1,2) - ) i moved it around a bit but it seems like this pattern is being hated a lot LOL, if its still no good i'll change this section completely

02:24:165 (3,4,5,6,7) - here, the transition between objects is a little weird, the spacing between each objects is different, and the motion is a little circular. Everything that makes this pattern not really comfortable to play, for an Insane diff player (not a challenging diff player). Find a solution which makes this pattern easier to play, at least, consistent spacing, or triangles etc. changed pattern

03:48:295 (9,1) - it could be better if the sliderend is not overlapped with the stream. A higher distance between 03:48:295 (9,1) - could be more comfortable to play because there is already a higher distance between 03:47:806 (4,5) - and that means 03:48:458 (1) - plays like an antijump, and that's a little weird. You did it here 03:56:121 (10,1) - and that plays good. fixedd!

As fycho said, there is a lot of things to tidy up like inconsistent spacing between objects, and i really doubt that it is intentional. I didn't say spacing changes.
I don't have time to handle the requalification process, sorry.
Good luck.

thaaaanks CB for the awesome mod ;w; sorry i responded so late orz
fixed almost everything u said tho! (just that one i didnt get)

Cherry Blossom

3,185 posts

ed October 2011

2015-06-23T18:22:28+00:00

about : 00:46:013 -
I mean, you can use this pattern instead :

Because this red tick is enough audible, and that sounds better if it is followed by the sliderend. As i said, this is an extra diff, and the note density could be at its maximum, that means you can map all notes you can hear. The current 3/4 slider works well, but it sounds better if you use the pattern i suggested to you instead.

captin1

osu! Alumni

2,608 posts

ed February 2011

2015-06-24T21:29:54+00:00

Chaoslitz wrote: pq5n
[captin's Extra]

00:23:350 (7,8) - Flow is weird when 00:23:350 (7,8) - 00:23:513 (8,1) are having opposite direction, it is better to keep the downward movement when the jump is slightly moving down, I would suggest you to place 00:23:676 (1) below 00:23:513 (8) for a smoother flow this works fine for me as is because it relies more on direct back and forth jumps rather than circular

eg

00:30:850 (6,7) - It is fine to use 1/4 sliders in my opinion. However, due to the calm part start at 00:31:502, it is not suitable to make a large distance of jump before it, so I would recommend to reduce the spacing

00:58:730 (1) - 00:58:893 is a strong beat, may consider to use note or slider head to emphasis instead of slider end

01:01:502 (1,2,1,2) - In my opinion, the music here is not strong enough to use 1/4 sliders to represent, but the one in 01:02:154 (1,2,1,1) is fine as there are drums in background music, so I recommend to change 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2) to me, this is one of the most defining patterns of the map, so i'm very reluctant to change this.

01:18:458 - How about adding a note here, to represent the end of vocal been stated multiple times i leave this unmapped for the effect with the instrumentals and the break

01:39:002 (11,12) - May consider changing this into streams, since the pitch is start decreasing from 01:39:002, it is not really suitable to use 1/4 sliders when it represent a stronger beat then normal streams this is intended to set this apart from the stream before, since the drum enters here again

02:16:991 (1) - Same as 00:58:730 (1)

02:19:763 (1,2,1,2) - Same as 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2), the music is not that strong which is suitable to use 1/4 slider to represent same answer

03:11:447 (5,6) - 03:11:284 (4,5) is in upward movement, so i would suggest to keep this flow by placing 03:11:611 (6) higher than 03:11:447 (5) doesn't really change much in the actual flow but w/e

eg

03:27:589 (1,2,1,2) - Same reason as mentioned above ~

03:41:937 (1,2) - The jump here is too large compared to those in other chorus like 01:15:850 (1), music isn't strong enough to use such a large jump and moreover, it will become difficult for players to hit the following streams 03:42:100 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) accurately, so consider to reduce the distance

04:09:328 (1,2,3,1) - There is a back and forth movement in 04:09:328 (1,2,3), so it is better when 04:09:817 (1) is placed near 04:09:980 (2) to keep this flow instead of making sharp movement to bottom doesn't make any difference at all because of how people play constant jump sections like this. as long as angles are sharp they will still be easy to hit

I am not going to comment a lot age of the 1/4 sliders in captin's Extra, but I would like to see more mods in order to get more opinions from different players/modders to see if it is appropriate, so that we can push it forward

Gaia wrote: 4j9o
mapping is a happy thing! |ω･)و ̑̑༉

ty for an actual mod
did a little nerfing too
asfsdfs character limit http://puu.sh/iBtEU.rar

Gaia

2,808 posts

ed May 2013

Topic Starter

2015-06-24T22:55:58+00:00

@CB
hmm yea there's a little tick there but imo it's too quiet for me to map, also the way the extended slider is set up it emphasizes the next note more so im gunna keep it like thaat

thx for explaining it tho ;w;

~~~~~
also did some changes myself too =w=

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,325 posts

ed November 2013

2015-06-26T08:46:14+00:00

Rechecked and it is fine

Bubbled!

~~baka gaia you take my virgin ;w;~~

Nathan

2,161 posts

ed August 2014

2015-06-28T05:36:46+00:00

mhmhhmhmmhmhmhmhhmmhmhmhhmmhmhhmhmh..........

Arzenvald

4,062 posts

ed July 2013

2015-06-28T13:26:04+00:00

come on re-qualify please... /-\

HabiHolic

5,460 posts

ed October 2012

2015-06-28T14:11:03+00:00

ReRanked

P A N

2,357 posts

ed December 2011

2015-06-28T14:17:02+00:00

BAM

Haruto

1,815 posts

ed December 2013

2015-06-28T14:21:24+00:00

OMG re-gratz Gaia

Meyrink

728 posts

ed February 2014

2015-06-28T16:11:46+00:00

P A N wrote: 1x5927
BAM

pkk

1,821 posts

ed November 2013

2015-06-28T16:17:00+00:00

B A M
P A M
P A N

Aerous

1,492 posts

ed September 2013

2015-06-28T17:25:18+00:00

Yay

Enon

Beatmap Nominator

2,705 posts

ed November 2012

2015-06-28T18:37:26+00:00

congrats

Flask

Beatmap Nominator

3,471 posts

ed July 2011

2015-06-29T02:08:08+00:00

恭喜~

Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

5,846 posts

ed August 2013

2015-06-29T03:10:02+00:00

~~ayy my insane is ranked again~~

I mean gratz

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,325 posts

ed November 2013

2015-06-29T03:46:35+00:00

well...gratz i think?

Gaia

2,808 posts

ed May 2013

Topic Starter

2015-06-29T05:37:49+00:00

w e w

thanks guys =w=/

Ayachi-

2,261 posts

ed November 2013

2015-06-30T03:54:13+00:00

恭喜～～～～～

Xilver15

Former osu! Champion: 2015

514 posts

ed August 2013

2015-06-30T04:51:41+00:00

box

Last edited by Xilver15 2017-03-11T03:19:46+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

TioBF

1 post

ed December 2014

2015-07-01T13:18:53+00:00

lov it, make moar, its an order <3

Food

5 posts

ed August 2011

2015-07-03T08:24:04+00:00

Only 40 more hours please

Nathanael

Global

6,166 posts

ed January 2013

2015-07-03T08:28:51+00:00

More Reol maps!

clayton

osu! Alumni

1,978 posts

ed November 2013

2015-07-03T22:27:43+00:00

shouldn't the unicode artist be れをる ?
please don't hurt me

Lolparty

15 posts

ed January 2014

2015-07-04T09:51:09+00:00

DQ is coming shortly don't worry

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,325 posts

ed November 2013

2015-07-04T09:55:03+00:00

Lolparty wrote: 5445x
DQ is coming shortly don't worry

Thanks for telling me that

Nomination Assessment Team

182 posts

ed August 2014

2015-07-04T15:36:56+00:00

Disqualification Notice 335364

Hello!

Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.

captin's Extra

Lack of a concept regarding spacing and rhythm

The issues mentioned by Loctav have not been addressed - since it was an unsucessfully contested DQ, everything posted there must be fixed before it can proceed towards ranked status.
The difficulty still seems artificial and lacks a concept in many aspects; There are jumps between essentially all of the objects, so there is no basic spacing the map goes back to. Emphasis for really strong beats through jumps is completely lost, as there are also jumps before weaker beats.
The rhythm is very dense and consists of a lot of overmapped triplets and extended sliders. Similar to the jumps, those take away the emphasis of triplets and streams that really fit the music and those feel like they were artificially inserted.
Examples for the above issue:

00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section
00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped.
03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects

If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.

The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.

Good luck!

###M

Mirtrax

20 posts

ed January 2013

2015-07-04T16:12:24+00:00

Yeeeey another unrank cause can't map the way it feels nice for the Mapper.

ac8129464363

1,566 posts

ed October 2013

2015-07-04T16:15:52+00:00

where's the response to captin's post then?

byfar

1,186 posts

ed July 2014

2015-07-04T16:28:42+00:00

the jumps at 00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - are at best medium jumps, they aren't even that large compared to the rest of the map.. whats wrong with the jumps here? i think it accents the downbeats fine. (from player perspective)

Mylenium

Mylenium 2015-07-04T16:39:14+00:00

From a player's perspective this beatmap is perfect ;~;

Xilver15

Former osu! Champion: 2015

514 posts

ed August 2013

2015-07-04T16:40:39+00:00

box

Last edited by Xilver15 2017-03-11T03:20:18+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Yomura_old_1

Yomura_old_1 2015-07-04T16:53:11+00:00

This is bs.

auux

9 posts

ed December 2012

2015-07-04T16:54:07+00:00

This is just issues according to the QATs... We need people to be experimental. There are way worse maps currently ranked, *cough* *cough* chocobo *cough* *cough*

captin1

osu! Alumni

2,608 posts

ed February 2011

2015-07-04T17:00:45+00:00

hm

VINXIS

Featured Artist

3,161 posts

ed April 2014

2015-07-04T17:02:02+00:00

deetz wrote: k1l54
where's the response to captin's post then?

inb4 posts get removed cuz of "flamewar" when everyone's basicalyl saying the same thing that this is 100% bull lmoa

Epiphany

42 posts

ed September 2013

2015-07-04T17:29:00+00:00

auux wrote: 1i2j4
This is just issues according to the QATs... We need people to be experimental. There are way worse maps currently ranked, *cough* *cough* chocobo *cough* *cough*

please dont compare VERY OLD MAPS to maps that get ranked these days, jesus christ.

sure this DQ was kinda unnessecary but your point was simply stupid.

i dont even mind anymore when all my top scores suddenly get DQ'd without a reason.

hent2222

398 posts

ed April 2014

2015-07-04T18:34:49+00:00

Soon the whole qualified shall be disqualified after a few days. I cri

Winnie

1,343 posts

ed November 2013

2015-07-04T18:49:29+00:00

That's Cute

Co0ola

28 posts

ed November 2013

2015-07-04T19:57:23+00:00

OMG...

Ethel

14 posts

ed February 2014

2015-07-04T20:23:25+00:00

rip my pp... thanks.

Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

5,846 posts

ed August 2013

2015-07-04T21:11:16+00:00

Quality Assurance Team wrote: 616ql

Disqualification Notice 335364

03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects jesus christ its almost like you didnt even listen to the song. No offense but, even a noob can tell that the song is very intense here with the huge 1/1 snares and stuff...

by the way it should be 'to'* proper grammar is important here, careful guys

###M

Lolparty

15 posts

ed January 2014

2015-07-04T21:45:15+00:00

I would say contest but there is no point because the QATs won't even look at it if you do. Actually why don't you just let the QATs map the whole song because regardless of who maps it, they won't let it get ranked unless it looks exactly how they want it to.

Natsu

8,088 posts

ed September 2012

2015-07-04T22:02:32+00:00

Kibbleru wrote: 6p3k2d

Quality Assurance Team wrote: 616ql

Disqualification Notice 335364

03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects jesus christ its almost like you didnt even listen to the song. No offense but, even a noob can tell that the song is very intense here with the huge 1/1 snares and stuff...

by the way it should be 'to'* proper grammar is important here, careful guys

lol, that section actually is asking to be mapped like that, totally agree with Kibbleru.

Kotori-Chan

496 posts

ed February 2014

2015-07-04T22:20:44+00:00

you shouldnt change it...

For us players that jumps are perfect ;-;

you always have to try something new,,, right!?

Sivies

25 posts

ed November 2013

2015-07-05T01:11:06+00:00

All my pp

Emonal

168 posts

ed August 2014

2015-07-05T03:07:28+00:00

It's not fair to players right?

before we play the maps, we need to think about ''If the map is unqualified, I will lose the pp I gained from this map? Should I play it?''

why do we need to think of this question? Is osu! not a happy game? this map makes me confused.

by the way, I like all the jumps in this map

Nathan

2,161 posts

ed August 2014

2015-07-05T03:41:47+00:00

nobody cares about your pp now stop ty

Makyu

424 posts

ed April 2012

2015-07-05T04:32:26+00:00

Lolparty wrote: 5445x
I would say contest but there is no point because the QATs won't even look at it if you do. Actually why don't you just let the QATs map the whole song because regardless of who maps it, they won't let it get ranked unless it looks exactly how they want it to.

Yeah like you said.

this is getting out of control...

Alexis8

14 posts

ed January 2015

2015-07-05T04:41:48+00:00

Im going to have to agree. I think the QAT Is a good thing. I think there are plenty of ranked maps that need to be reexamined because theyre garbage. The first DQ of this map wasnt the most necessary of DQs but it was understandable...then the mods decide its good enough...but then the QAT determines its still not quite perfect enough...

Seriously, there is a point at which youre not making something better, youre just making it different. As a producer that was a lesson I had to learn, at some point you have to say "its good enough" and just let someone else enjoy it.

And I think the QAT is so important that it really bothers me that you are wasting time on this. Please, there are so many maps that need to be fixed, dont fixate on tiny (nonexistent?) issues in one song thats already quite good.

Frostmourne

osu! Alumni

3,735 posts

ed November 2009

2015-07-05T05:11:43+00:00

Quality Assurance Team wrote: 616ql
captin's Extra

Examples for the above issue:

00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section
doesn't feel overdone according to the slider velocity used in this map, as to polish the whole map up, avoiding overlaps is needed so that could be the reasons why jumps feel overdone, but in my opinion, they are fine as captin1 did place larger jumps on more intense parts.

00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped.
Could partially agree according to the music itself, however these built-up triples are fitting with the map itself compared with the other non-kiai parts. It becomes much more distinguished when the whole map is chaotic yet reasonable in the range that this song allows as it's an extra that is harder than the other extras.

03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects
I see no problems here. Fast slider velocity naturally leads to larger spacing. It artificially looks hard but it practically flows well. Having short spacings with this sv could lead to anti-climax flow, and is distracting to players.

Most reasons brought up by the QATs here make sense, but what were mapped by captin1 also make sense to me. Both sides work in their way, I hope it's requalified soon.

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,325 posts

ed November 2013

2015-07-05T05:15:32+00:00

sukiNathan wrote: ht6p
nobody cares about your pp now stop ty

Even BNs and mappers haven't say anything

Spaghetti

1,118 posts

ed August 2014

2015-07-05T05:51:33+00:00

At this point the QAT are just normalizing the maps for the sake of having things as they want it, not as the mapper does.

Go read threads from 2008, the suggestions made were more laid back and focused on what the mapper wanted. Mapping threads now in days are filled with mandatory suggestions made in the eyes of everyone but the mapper, and maps are changed to the point where half the map isn't even the mappers work anymore, just for the sake of qualification.

The point is, the QAT is making more and more poor decisions without keeping the mappers reasoning in mind, which is pretty unfair in my opinion. I've had maps butchered by mandatory suggestions to the point where I don't even see my map anymore when watching replays or looking at it in the editor, just to have it ready in the eyes of all besides my own.

These are my thoughts, p/4306089

Good luck on requalification, and please contest this DQ.

Nakano Itsuki

1,218 posts

ed July 2014

2015-07-05T06:08:06+00:00

And I thought the normalizing was from loctav and not the QATs...

auux

9 posts

ed December 2012

2015-07-05T06:33:20+00:00

Kiyame wrote: 163h4c

auux wrote: 1i2j4
This is just issues according to the QATs... We need people to be experimental. There are way worse maps currently ranked, *cough* *cough* chocobo *cough* *cough*

please dont compare VERY OLD MAPS to maps that get ranked these days, jesus christ.

sure this DQ was kinda unnessecary but your point was simply stupid.

i dont even mind anymore when all my top scores suddenly get DQ'd without a reason.

I still find it weird when maps like that are still around but this maps is not okay because it has "some spacing inconsistencies". It's a bullshit claim because this map is fine as heck.

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

4,652 posts

ed May 2013

2015-07-05T07:15:09+00:00

Feels like whoever did the dq this time is also part of the other asymmetry set :p. To me these reasons sound a lot more like differences in interpretation rather than actual quality issues. If qats could mod without any personal bias they'd be able to manage dq contests honestly... But from taking with ztrot, currently that is not yet foreseeable.

Also can you qats use more appropriate wording when it comes to making objective statements? Stuff like "The difficulty seems to lack..." Just make you sound uncertain, unsure... Don't use seems. or appears. And phrases like "x is completely lost"/"unreadable" overstate your intention and offend the mapper.

Both language misuse create fruction with the community :p. Please fix that.

Good luck with the set, Gaia & friends.

ithgyu

468 posts

ed October 2014

2015-07-05T08:16:13+00:00

lol, I think QATs are misinterpreting what quality means, it means its of high grade, not fucking perfect, jesus christ its clearly out of hand when maps that are clearly good, but dont fit into the generic mesh that the QATs require get unranked

_dog

171 posts

ed August 2012

2015-07-05T08:26:21+00:00

Spaghetti wrote: y5u21
_dog has a much better explanation of this current issue on one of my maps threads

This DQ is starting to annoy me so I'm just going to post what I said on your thread here, enjoy :-):

Spaghetti wrote: y5u21
When I first mapped it, everything was great, after so many DQ's and applying changes for the sole purpose of making this rankable, it isn't the same map anymore, it's just so changed that I can't deal with it anymore. Every point I get into pkk's mod, the more I dislike the changes and the worse the map gets, but the changes have to be made or people will get mad.

If every little thing of this map has to be pin-perfect in order to get into QUALFIED, this becomes more of a job than a hobby.

I might change my mind later, but I feel as I'm editing someone else map at this point, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry pkk, but all these changes are way too specific and nazi for me. I want this to be my map, not yours, and not nobody elses. In return, since I see that you put so much effort into this, I'ma owe you 3 mods in return, and for every KD I get from those mods, I'ma shoot them at your map.

I'm sorry.

Welp, it seems like this issue is finally starting to surface. I addressed this two years ago, and was told the community was “not ready for this discussion”, but upon recent events, it seems like we are now.

While Spaghetti’s comment may seem just like someone who is denying a DQ, the words stated in this comment are profound. I will be dividing this into sections.

*While reading this post I also would like you all to take note of: t/331416
The steps to mapping and ranking from my perspective is:
Create -> Normalize -> Process -> Discovery -> Deny

Creation: The time when a map is first born.
The mapper has picked an idea for their map to revolve around and has placed what they feel is appropriate. They have decided to post and are now looking for people to better their map. They have gotten their GDs/Collabs or sets complete and they are, by assumption, content with what they have done and are ready to ‘rank’.

Now it is time to receive mods. The mapper discovers some things they have missed and learns what they need to do for rank and, at first, they do it nothing’s wrong their map is still the same they’ve just… improved it a bit

Normalize:
Now the map has reached an SP of 12 and is ready to be ranked. The map is looking clean and it's starting to look like a ‘real’ map. It fits what is out there today. It has its PP giving jumps. The mapper is filled with hype they think they’ve made it. The map is “ready”.

What is ready to you? Good ‘flow’? Good ‘structure’? Pixel perfect symmetry? You can’t say ‘good map’, and what you say honestly won’t matter so why bother? The map is ready because a group of individuals believe it’s ready. This group of individuals have created the idea of ready. Well, divided group of individuals. One side thinks it isn’t ready the other does, and only when both have reached a point of agreement can the map be ranked. This is normalization.

Quality is subjective, and while there is a widespread agreement on a certain level of quality, relying on one group to determine and decide that level has made it impossible for a map with different standards to be able to even be considered. Now, I’m not here to say it’s this ‘group's’ fault as the idea of it is great; however, the frame for it is weak and doesn’t allow for many options before it falls down.

If a map is disqualified the ones who ranked it receive a penalty. Why put trust in a mapper who has used controversial techniques, isn’t well known, and mapped in a style thats different than average. Some may say well that mapper needs to gain experience and gain a higher status in the community before they can do crazy things like that. Why though? Why limit a map because of the status of a mapper?

Some may say well the standards are changing everyday so what we allowed before we don’t allow anymore, but then you give examples of maps that are in the process of being ranked or recently got ranked with those things, and you sit and wonder to yourself, when on earth did this standard change to not allow that to happen, and why is that already well known mapper about to rank a map with that in it?

So then you say, well maybe it doesn’t fit the song? People back it up.

Widely known and accepted mappers with non normalized maps haven’t shown up in years. People say that a new mapper can get to that level but our system doesn’t allow for it. The mappers who are able to get through now are able to because when they were at the bottom they were presented with a more lenient system, and now they’re at the top so people trust their decisions without contest and they get through while the lower potentially good mapper does not.

At this point in time people will send me maps by lesser known mappers, and each map will have a differing and noticeable style. At the same time however, I can provide you with multiple maps all pairing with those styles. Variety can still equal normativity.

dorothy3242 wrote: 1h1x6f
While there appears to be variety among maps today, it's not just about current variety using current methods, but also allowing for the entrance of new ideas

Process:
These are the final stages of the ranking process. The QAT and BNs are bubbling and the disqualifications are happening. Upon disqualification we head back to the normalizing step. And soon we enter the stage of discovery.

Discovery:
So let’s head back to our original quote at the top. Spaghetti is in the stage of discovery. They have realized what their map has become. They have seen that it is not theirs anymore and they are unhappy with it.

Spaghetti wrote: y5u21
applying changes for the sole purpose of making this rankable

Normalized.

Spaghetti wrote: y5u21
Every point I get into pkk's mod, the more I dislike the changes and the worse the map gets, but the changes have to be made or people will get mad.

It is at this time that I ask you to go read the post marked with the asterisk.

We aren’t modding in the eyes of the mapper. We are pushing and enforcing our views on their map. It has become no different than any other, and this is where it’s understood that it is a false idea to think that you are creating your own map, but rather you have picked a song and done the work required for it to be ranked. With this idea in mind, osu! should have switched to an auto-generate beatmap system a long time ago.

What’s interesting is that the older of the community who tend to be a part of these groups and work on making these decisions tend to reminisce on the times before systems like these. For instance, read a couple of beatmap threads from 2008, and you will realize there was a whole different view on how maps should be back then. It was all about what the mapper wanted in the end, and others just gave suggestions. Not requirements, suggestions.

Discovery is a time when we all should have recognized the issue. Not just in Spaghetti’s situation, but for all maps.

Cl8n wrote: 6u603c
If we all just recognize the existence of this problem, then surely, we as a community together, can make a better system and/or environment for everyone. The community is "ready for this discussion" now.

Deny:
This is our usual response to this issue, and hopefully that will change. This is where we deny what’s going on, dismiss Spaghetti, and move on to another map for it to happen again. This is when a map has finally been ranked, and we deny how changed it is: how normal it has become. This is where you deny this post and move on.

Lavender

Beatmap Nominator

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ed January 2014

2015-07-05T11:18:20+00:00

monstrata wrote: 4335o
Feels like whoever did the dq this time is also part of the other asymmetry set :p.

ithgyu

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ed October 2014

2015-07-05T12:00:08+00:00

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