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Dude that is cool, the community should have more people like u who design custom keyboards and such.

Are those custom designed buttons? Like are they brown, blue, or black switches.

PS/2 connectors are pretty old and modern machines don't have them.
I think u can double the speed of the oscillator crystal through software though.

I suggest u add some table grips so the device doesn't slide on the table when u press it.

Rich wrote: 3k2w38

PS/2 connectors are pretty old and modern machines don't have them.

what? all modern machines have them. Even Asus lastest version of its Rampage Extreme range has a ps/2 port

Rich wrote: 3k2w38

Dude that is cool, the community should have more people like u who design custom keyboards and such.

Are those custom designed buttons? Like are they brown, blue, or black switches.

PS/2 connectors are pretty old and modern machines don't have them.
I think u can double the speed of the oscillator crystal through software though.

I suggest u add some table grips so the device doesn't slide on the table when u press it.

Thanks

I'd like to offer different keyswitches later down the line if I knew people were interested enough in these, but it would have been too much of an investment for the first batch.

A lot of gaming motherboards and cheaper machines have ps/2 ports on theme specifically because it's a superior interface or for legacy purposes. I agree that it's not too practical and that 1000hz usb would be better just for broader , but if these did work over ps/2 that would be one less thing to worry about for now. Unfortunately, my mATX gaming board doesn't have a port so I'm still trying to find one that does to test it. My tests for bumping the speed up from 8mhz to 16mhz showed no difference due to the interface.

I'm using and supplying double sided tape to keep it from moving. It's not ideal, but I don't know if any rubber pads I could get would keep it from moving.

edit:ps/2 doesn't work

Thnikk wrote: 5i2u2d

edit:ps/2 doesn't work

Did you try plugging it in BEFORE turning on your computer?

I know it probably cost you quite a bit to make this and that you already have a video up of you testing it but in of marketing, I think it would be a good idea to send a "prototype" to a "high ranked player" and have them test it out and record a liveplay to further demonstrate how good these keypads are. I think this project is a great idea and I'd buy it cause I wouldn't use a full length mechanical keyboard for anything other then OSU which makes me want to buy this but I'm just not so convinced yet.
Anyways, Keep up the great work!

I think most people here, including me, are now afraid of the latency that would cause gameplay problems

Got my teensy today! Did a test and it is definitely fast enough to hit the polling rate cap of usb 2.0, but I still don't have a proper testing method to check the actual polling rate of the usb connection, just on the actual device. I've read up on the teensy documentation and they say the cap is 500hz which leads me to believe that most "gaming" keyboards and mice probably to something to cheese it.

I've also temporarily taken down international shipping. My boxes are too small to fit the customs form
To anyone who's made an order already, you're fine.

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

Thnikk wrote: 5i2u2d

edit:ps/2 doesn't work

Did you try plugging it in BEFORE turning on your computer?

Yeah. I tested my keyboard and it did work. I think there's a bit more to do on the keyboard side to make ps/2 work, but I don't think the trinket is actually fast enough to get over ~200hz anyway (at 16mhz.)

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

I know it probably cost you quite a bit to make this and that you already have a video up of you testing it but in of marketing, I think it would be a good idea to send a "prototype" to a "high ranked player" and have them test it out and record a liveplay to further demonstrate how good these keypads are. I think this project is a great idea and I'd buy it cause I wouldn't use a full length mechanical keyboard for anything other then OSU which makes me want to buy this but I'm just not so convinced yet.
Anyways, Keep up the great work!

Edit 3/19/15: This was a good idea. I now have 2 testers and the offer is closed.

Gumica wrote: 3b3964

I think most people here, including me, are now afraid of the latency that would cause gameplay problems

I added a disclaimer to the product page so people are aware of this. There shouldn't be any problems with missing or double keystrokes, so if you're used to using a rubber dome keyboard it definitely won't be a downgrade, but I would like to find someone to test it.

Price seems a little steep but I don't have a good sense of the keyboard market right now. I personally don't think I could justify more than $20 and that's only if things like polling rate and such are the same as an actual keyboard in a practical sense.

The keyboard I'm using right now cost about $100, has a numpad, a handful of useful function keys, different lighting modes, and functions as an actual keyboard among other things. If we completely overlook all of the extra functionality and look at components, there are way more than 4x as many switches. Add to that the insurance of it coming from a highly reputable brand (ofc they do bulk so this does also help some with costs I realize).

Also, I'm pretty sure you can get a whole numpad for around $30.

My experience with the teensy so far has been overwhelmingly positive. No waiting 8 seconds for it to get out of bootloader mode, no tricky messing around with the Arduino IDE to get it to work, it uses the Arduino keyboard libraries instead of the not-so-well-written trinket ones, ing and debugging is incredibly easy, and there's a lot of added functionality (that will take a lot more work to take advantage of). I still don't think this is viable to replace the trinket since it costs more than twice as much, and realistically the trinket does all we need it to minus the polling rate. I'm still thinking about offering it as a option...

chainpullz wrote: 225wk

Price seems a little steep but I don't have a good sense of the keyboard market right now. I personally don't think I could justify more than $20 and that's only if things like polling rate and such are the same as an actual keyboard in a practical sense.

The keyboard I'm using right now cost about $100, has a numpad, a handful of useful function keys, different lighting modes, and functions as an actual keyboard among other things. If we completely overlook all of the extra functionality and look at components, there are way more than 4x as many switches. Add to that the insurance of it coming from a highly reputable brand (ofc they do bulk so this does also help some with costs I realize).

Also, I'm pretty sure you can get a whole numpad for around $30.

First off, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to run a business. I'm basing my prices on cost and labor, not on what else is on the market. These are just something I'm making for fun and my impetus for making them is based on my desire for them to be available a few months ago. I'm aware of my skill level, and if I was told about the polling rate I probably wouldn't have cared if there was nothing else available. At the very least, I've been transparent about it with you guys, and if you wanted to make something yourself, you now know you'd run into that wall with the trinket.

Secondly, my keyboard cost me ~$260 total for the keyboard itself, doubleshot dsa keycaps, and detachable cable mod. This was mainly for a nice typing experience and durability. Brown keyswitches aren't really the best for osu though, and even though I play a lot of cs:go and ffxiv, I'm more afraid of my z and x keys wearing out than my wasd or 1234 with the way I smash them

A mechanical numpad would have been a solid option for me if I'd thought about it or read through the threads, but I still think there's a cool novelty to having a dedicated piece of hardware for osu. You can also throw custom keycaps on it without spending a crazy amount of money on a whole set for a numpad, or having two keys look awkward and alone.

Manufacturing defects are more common than you'd think, and many companies put the minimum amount of effort into QC and testing. I've been testing each of these for about a day of playing to make sure everything's working perfectly. The only thing you really get from a big company is a well-documented warranty. If someone told me that they had a problem, I would definitely cover shipping at least one way depending on the circumstances and location and repair/replace it. I have a pretty solid track record that you can check out here.

Yes, bulk orders would help immensely with costs and thus prices as well. If I didn't have to cut the plastic housing by hand with a dremel and a craft knife, the price would definitely be lower.

As far as I know, the cheapest mechanical numpad goes for $45. If you find something as low as $30 feel free to post it in the tread for anyone interested in that instead.

You can sell a do-it-yourself kit for enthusiasts along with the completely built one. You can sell the built version for a higher price since it includes your labor.

Rich wrote: 3k2w38

You can sell a do-it-yourself kit for enthusiasts along with the completely built one. You can sell the built version for a higher price since it includes your labor.

I like this idea too. My friend wanted to get into soldering so I gave him the parts as a Christmas gift since he wanted one.

Im not top 100 USA (146) but I still think I'm very decent, I could record a liveplay with this keypad and send you the video if you want to, their are still lots of higher ranking players that would be willing to do this but your choice

I'm kinda surprised that this hasn't gotten more attention, especially with all the questions about mech keyboards on G&R (yes, I know that some people want a full keyboard).

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

I'm very decent

He bad, ecks dee.

I'm not exactly sure how this kind of stuff works, but what if you overclocked the USB, like you would do for a WMO or IME mouse? Also, I'd like to try one, but are red switches the only option?

Also, the escape button looks awkward to press, why not put it on the right side to hit with your thumb? (I don't know if that's doable at this point in time though)

I think you'd be better off making these with 4 keys, that allows for taiko players too. Also it's always nice to have backup keys in case some break. Also if you use 4keys I suppose you could create red/black/blue/brown/etc combinations for people to buy for testing.

Update: I'm going to add a low cost option that will be a 2 key model with the white DSA keycaps and no LEDs for ~$20. I'm sure some people want a strictly business device, so it doesn't make sense to only offer the fully decked out one. I'll try to have it up by tomorrow.

International shipping is still being sorted, but I'd like to get the polling rate issue (maybe non-issue, we'll see) out of the way first.

[ Momiji ] wrote: 3u2m4o

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

I'm very decent

He bad, ecks dee.

He's got one on the way, so let's see him put his money where his mouth is

NixXSkate wrote: 968t

I'm not exactly sure how this kind of stuff works, but what if you overclocked the USB, like you would do for a WMO or IME mouse? Also, I'd like to try one, but are red switches the only option?

Also, the escape button looks awkward to press, why not put it on the right side to hit with your thumb? (I don't know if that's doable at this point in time though)

I'll look into it, but I think it's still limited on the trinket's end to ~200hz so it wouldn't help much. Red switches are the only option for now, but if you guys have requests for others, please let me know which ones and I'll get some with my next order.

I guess this depends on how you use it, sort of like a mouse. I use mine in more of a palming fashion, so having it on the right side meant I had to slide my hand up to reach it. If you're using more of a claw air-grip, you're thumb would be right next to it. I've been making these to order so I'll just add that as an option on the item page. Thanks for the input!

jesus1412 wrote: 6i432p

I think you'd be better off making these with 4 keys, that allows for taiko players too. Also it's always nice to have backup keys in case some break. Also if you use 4keys I suppose you could create red/black/blue/brown/etc combinations for people to buy for testing.

I would like to, but 4 key would have to be bumped up to a teensy since the trinket only s 3 button inputs, which would in turn bring the price up to ~$35-50. People are still probably better off getting a cmstorm switch tester for seeing what they like, but if enough people are interested in these, I could have more of a keyswitch variety. Keep in mind that this probably wouldn't happen until a couple months from now.

Thnikk wrote: 5i2u2d

I would like to, but 4 key would have to be bumped up to a teensy since the trinket only s 3 button inputs, which would in turn bring the price up to ~$35-50. People are still probably better off getting a cmstorm switch tester for seeing what they like, but if enough people are interested in these, I could have more of a keyswitch variety. Keep in mind that this probably wouldn't happen until a couple months from now.

Well, there is way to use several buttons with just one input pin on a trinket, like I did with my 3-button keyboard, all 3 buttons are connected to #0.
Unfortunately I forgot how to do it, but it's possible.

Deimos wrote: 412e4e

Well, there is way to use several buttons with just one input pin on a trinket, like I did with my 3-button keyboard, all 3 buttons are connected to #0.
Unfortunately I forgot how to do it, but it's possible.

Oops, you're right. Got it working on pin 2 (analog 1).

So I guess I can make a 4 button one! I'm currently running into a problem with not being able to handle multiple button presses at the same time on the same pin. I found an article online that could help so i'll try to have that fixed before a prototype. I need more switches and a larger enclosure so I'll probably wait until I have another big order to make the prototype.

Haven't gotten the basic keypads up yet as I haven't had any time but I'm still trying to do that ASAP.

>8 keys
>all you need
>for all gamemodes
>4 types of switches

>you will become a legend in the osu community
>The Key Merchant
>everyone will buy from you
>all the money

>hi guys this is my first post on this forum lol idk i played the game for 3 hours and wtf i cant fc insaes wat do pls help thanks in advance
>BUY THNIKK'S KEYPAD
OH AND A TABLET

good luck

Beautiful part. How to install the driver in Windows 7?

[ Momiji ] wrote: 3u2m4o

>8 keys
>all you need
>for all gamemodes
>4 types of switches

>you will become a legend in the osu community
>The Key Merchant
>everyone will buy from you
>all the money

>hi guys this is my first post on this forum lol idk i played the game for 3 hours and wtf i cant fc insaes wat do pls help thanks in advance
>BUY THNIKK'S KEYPAD
OH AND A TABLET

good luck

I'm getting closer to the first part

edit:

Fatal3ty wrote: 2r6f33

Beautiful part. How to install the driver in Windows 7?

Plug and play for all of the operating systems I've tested, which has been Win 7, 8.1, OS X Mavericks, and Ubuntu 14.04. I think it's recognized as a generic keyboard so it should work on almost everything without having to install any drivers.

Unless you want to reprogram it, then the drivers are available from adafruit along with all the necessary software.

I don't think 4 pairs of different key switches is a very good idea.... If you want to try a switch, try a local electronic's shop. I think 8 keys of the same switch would be much more appealing to osu mania, taiko and std players (3 spare sets!).

FieryLight wrote: 4g2o4r

I don't think 4 pairs of different key switches is a very good idea.... If you want to try a switch, try a local electronic's shop. I think 8 keys of the same switch would be much more appealing to osu mania, taiko and std players (3 spare sets!).

I agree, my 4 key was really just a proof of concept for myself that I could get more than one button working on a pin and have them all be recognized individually. 8 key is my next project

I need longer project boxes though...

NOTE: i just recieved the keypad today.

I received the keypad today and upon first impression, im going to be honest. I thought it was bad. It took a while for it to start working once i plugged it in( like literally 5 minutes) i tried from the front usb ports, the back etc. I got it connected in the front usb ports located under my disk drive and it began to work fine.

Ok so, Now its all plugged in and ready to go, i set z+x to my default keys and began playing some osu! I was beginning to get worried because... i couldnt stream for anything on them, they felt hard to press (ironically) and just uncomfortable, i felt like i could single tap and stream 2x faster with my rubber dome.
I decided to remove the o-rings because i thought they were the reasons for the problems i was having and indeed they were. It began to feel much more comfortable to actually press the keys and play with them. They do indeed make much more noise now (the o ring greatly limited the noise it made) but i believe its better then not being able to play properly with them.

I have not completely gotten used to them but once i have and when im left alone in my home (Mother would get pissed at the wonderful noise of the clicking and clacking :p) i will fully test just how better or worst this keypad makes me. Ill be ing a comparison video between my rubberdome and this Cherry MX (RED) keypad soon.

Also the tape at the bottom of the keypad peeled the paint off of my desk LOL, it still sticks but not as much. This isnt a problem for me because the way i position the keypad to play makes it so that it doesnt move but im not sure how it will affect other players.

Edit: Also the cable it came with was too short for me but good thing i had a longer cable that worked with it.


Another Edit: After 2 hours of usage, holy ball it feels great. 2fast4me

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

:!: NOTE: i just recieved the keypad today.

I received the keypad today and upon first impression, im going to be honest. I thought it was bad. It took a while for it to start working once i plugged it in( like literally 5 minutes) i tried from the front usb ports, the back etc. I got it connected in the front usb ports located under my disk drive and it began to work fine.

Ok so, Now its all plugged in and ready to go, i set z+x to my default keys and began playing some osu! I was beginning to get worried because... i couldnt stream for anything on them, they felt hard to press (ironically) and just uncomfortable, i felt like i could single tap and stream 2x faster with my rubber dome.
I decided to remove the o-rings because i thought they were the reasons for the problems i was having and indeed they were. It began to feel much more comfortable to actually press the keys and play with them. They do indeed make much more noise now (the o ring greatly limited the noise it made) but i believe its better then not being able to play properly with them.

I have not completely gotten used to them but once i have and when im left alone in my home (Mother would get pissed at the wonderful noise of the clicking and clacking :p) i will fully test just how better or worst this keypad makes me. Ill be ing a comparison video between my rubberdome and this Cherry MX (RED) keypad soon.

Also the tape at the bottom of the keypad peeled the paint off of my desk LOL, it still sticks but not as much. This isnt a problem for me because the way i position the keypad to play makes it so that it doesnt move but im not sure how it will affect other players.

Edit: Also the cable it came with was too short for me but good thing i had a longer cable that worked with it.
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Another Edit: After 2 hours of usage, holy ball it feels great. 2fast4me

Did you wait 8 seconds after plugging it in? I haven't heard of anyone having problems getting it to work so maybe it's just your usb port but I'll try to test it out on more computers.

The o-rings are meant to reduce travel distance and make you wait less time between key presses since you don't have to push it down extra and have it come up more. Since you said you didn't like them I'll include them in a bag and people can put them on if they would like.

I'm sorry about the tape lol. I've been trying to find another good solution, but I don't think any sort of rubber feet would really cut it unless these were a lot heavier. I always stick the tape to my shirt before I stick it to the table to keep it from sticking too much, which is apparently important advice I should include

I'll see if I can pick up 5 feet cables with the next batch. Thanks a lot for all of the honest , I really appreciate it!

Edit: Added a "basic" model to Etsy for $22!



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Feel free to paste this to the original post if you want or dont.

Nice :O

Interresting, Kev, do you think this massively better score is because you used the keypad or more coindence (Since Skill can flucate from day to day)?

Granger wrote: 2t476f

Interresting, Kev, do you think this massively better score is because you used the keypad or more coindence (Since Skill can flucate from day to day)?

hmm good question, well considering this was my first FC on this song with the keypad id have to say it was more so cause of the keypad.

Is the polling rate really an issue? I'm kinda hesitating to take one just for that, considering you might upgrade it <.<

od10 = 18 ms margin of error
125hz = 8ms max input lag

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

or dont

This made me laugh. Thanks for the video

Granger wrote: 2t476f

Interresting, Kev, do you think this massively better score is because you used the keypad or more coindence (Since Skill can flucate from day to day)?

Honestly, I'm content as long as it didn't make him worse. I just wanted people to have something tiny and customizable to play osu on. If you can play better with it too, that's awesome!

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

Is the polling rate really an issue? I'm kinda hesitating to take one just for that, considering you might upgrade it <.<

I'm going to update the OP at some point since that does seem ambiguous, but that post was really just part of a conversation from the previous thread. I've thought about it and upgrading the trinket to a teensy doesn't seem worth it. I've gotten enough price complaints as it is, so adding $10 to the price does not seem viable at all.

And that was the main reason I wanted Kev's video. Hopefully this dispels the fear that it's as big of an issue as I made it seem originally. I just wanted people to know it was a potential issue at the time so nobody that bought one was upset that I didn't say anything about it. I'm not trying to say that the difference between 8 and 1ms is negligible, but I don't think the vast majority of people would notice.

[ Momiji ] wrote: 3u2m4o

od10 = 18 ms margin of error
125hz = 8ms max input lag

This gives me more of peace of mind. Thanks for the numbers.

I no longer had any "complaints" about the keypad. Theirs no delay, the USB issue I was having was coming from my end so that's not a problem, only took me like an hour of usage to get comfortable (I ended up keeping the o-rings on, loved the noise reduction), its small so its ideal to carry around when I visit other friends who play OSU, the cable it came with was short for me but only cause my desktop is a bit farther then my play area.
Only the tape is the issue in my opinion, the keypad is very light so it needs something to keep it from moving so much for "intense streamers" other then that it works like a charm.
Works and functions properly with no delay as expected
9/10 would fap again -IGN

Side note: I got my friend to come over and try it out, he's much lower ranked but he said it felt comfortable and smooth to use.

[ Momiji ] wrote: 3u2m4o

od10 = 18 ms margin of error
125hz = 8ms max input lag

may I am just brain dead, but why 125hz = 8ms input lag?

the 125hz doesn't tell me anything about input delays, it rather tells me how often the computer is checking the USB data. Which is basically 125 times per second.

I would like to see someone who is going to stream 125 beats per second. The value is kinda useless when it comes to keyboards (in my opinion).

Deimos wrote: 412e4e

[ Momiji ] wrote: 3u2m4o

od10 = 18 ms margin of error
125hz = 8ms max input lag

may I am just brain dead, but why 125hz = 8ms input lag?

the 125hz doesn't tell me anything about input delays, it rather tells me how often the computer is checking the USB data. Which is basically 125 times per second.

I would like to see someone who is going to stream 125 beats per second. The value is kinda useless when it comes to keyboards (in my opinion).

1000ms / 125hz = 8ms

Deimos wrote: 412e4e

how often the computer is checking the USB data

once every 8 ms
hence the delay is variable.
your keystroke can be ed after 0 - 8ms.
this basically means that if you changed the polling rate to 500hz, you would do as well on od9 as you would on od10 before. (0 - 2 ms input lag)
delay variability is also dependant on fps

Input lag in ms= 1/fpsx1000+1000/pollingrate+displaylag(CRTs have no display lag whatsoever)+framebuffer

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

Input lag in ms= 1/fpsx1000+1000/pollingrate+displaylag(CRTs have no display lag whatsoever)+framebuffer

Well, seems right.
Also, I was only pointing out the effect of input lag variability on accuracy, but truth is that input lag also fiddles with hand synchronization.
example:
rrtyui
gangsta
cursor on slider, sliderbreak

[ Momiji ] wrote: 3u2m4o

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

Input lag in ms= 1/fpsx1000+1000/pollingrate+displaylag(CRTs have no display lag whatsoever)+framebuffer

Well, seems right.
Also, I was only pointing out the effect of input lag variability on accuracy, but truth is that input lag also fiddles with hand synchronization.
example:
rrtyui
gangsta
cursor on slider, sliderbreak

Its particularly dangerous for mouse players because mouse feels like crap unless you set polling rate to 500hz+.
Input lag of default/office mice (125hz): 8ms
Input lag of gaming mice (500-1000hz): 1-2 ms
Input lag of most keyboards (125hz): 8ms
Input lag of Wacom tablets (133hz): 7.52ms
Input lag of Huion tablets (200hz): 5ms

Assuming a player using a Wacom and a 125hz keyboard, he/she only has to deal with a 0.48ms difference which is unnoticeable.

However, a mouse player using a high end mouse and a 125hz keyboard has to deal with a 7ms difference which is massive and certainly noticeable for most people (yes you can still work around it but it wouldn't be the same).

So the delay thing isn't really an issue, at least at my level XD. Do you think you are going to upgrade it anytime soon on anything?

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

Its particularly dangerous for mouse players because mouse feels like crap unless you set polling rate to 500hz+.
Input lag of default/office mice (125hz): 8ms
Input lag of gaming mice (500-1000hz): 1-2 ms
Input lag of most keyboards (125hz): 8ms
Input lag of Wacom tablets (133hz): 7.52ms
Input lag of Huion tablets (200hz): 5ms

Assuming a player using a Wacom and a 125hz keyboard, he/she only has to deal with a 0.48ms difference which is unnoticeable.

However, a mouse player using a high end mouse and a 125hz keyboard has to deal with a 7ms difference which is massive and certainly noticeable for most people (yes you can still work around it but it wouldn't be the same).

I had no idea it was so low on wacom tablets. Again, thank you guys for providing such insightful information for me any everyone else in the thread.

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

So the delay thing isn't really an issue, at least at my level XD. Do you think you are going to upgrade it anytime soon on anything?

Probably not, aside from some additional keycap options. I'm settled on all of the parts for the time being. If anything, there might be a higher price teensy model for 1000hz that will be made in small quantity, but it will be identical in every other way and it wouldn't happen for at least a few weeks.

Oh okay, thank you!

Edit: I bought one! Tell me if you need some review once i receive it! I kinda live in so i wonder how long it will take o- O

What skin did you use during the demonstration video?

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

Oh okay, thank you!

Edit: I bought one! Tell me if you need some review once i receive it! I kinda live in so i wonder how long it will take o- O

Average time for first class mail is 1-3 weeks, but it averages at a little over a week in my experience. If you'd like to leave some /a review here in the thread, that would be wonderful!

UberBagel wrote: 202s55

What skin did you use during the demonstration video?

I think you mean Kev's demo video which is available for on his profile here.

Sure, i will leave some once i receive it . Cloudy Keycaps with Cherry MX Red *q*.
Just wondering if the tape gonna do anything to my desktop, can the tape be sticked on wood things or maybe i stick it to my old mousepad?

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

Sure, i will leave some once i receive it . Cloudy Keycaps with Cherry MX Red *q*.
Just wondering if the tape gonna do anything to my desktop, can the tape be sticked on wood things or maybe i stick it to my old mousepad?

Mouse pad because mouse pads also don't slide as much so it will prevent the keypad from moving so much too.

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

Sure, i will leave some once i receive it . Cloudy Keycaps with Cherry MX Red *q*.
Just wondering if the tape gonna do anything to my desktop, can the tape be sticked on wood things or maybe i stick it to my old mousepad?

Mouse pad because mouse pads also don't slide as much so it will prevent the keypad from moving so much too.

I see, well i hope it will stick fine on da mousepad and the tape better last for a while XD. Now, just waiting for the keypad to come!
I hope there is no disadvantage if i use the keypad with the right hand? Because i'm left handed so i'm using the tablet with my lefthand and keyboard with my right hand.
KevEz, are you only playing with the keypad now?

OP updated after an eternity.

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

Mouse pad because mouse pads also don't slide as much so it will prevent the keypad from moving so much too.

I see, well i hope it will stick fine on da mousepad and the tape better last for a while XD. Now, just waiting for the keypad to come!
I hope there is no disadvantage if i use the keypad with the right hand? Because i'm left handed so i'm using the tablet with my lefthand and keyboard with my right hand.
KevEz, are you only playing with the keypad now?

There shouldn't be. The escape key was placed to be pushed by the side of your ring finger (which does sound pretty awkward,) but can also be used with your thumb.

If you stick it to a cloth mousepad, ignore the PS on the note in the box

As of now.. Yes I'm only using the keypad. The keypad works fine, its just up to you to improve and get better at the game overall.

I heard this could solve all those tape problems

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

I heard this could solve all those tape problems

I've tried rubber feet initially and they didn't work particularly well, mainly because they keypads aren't heavy enough. The cable has more influence on it than anything else, and while playing you just sort of nudge it around. These do look a little bit more rubbery than my last ones though, so I'll give it a shot.

I also have 7 radio shacks within a 10 mile radius of me and they're $2. How could I go wrong?

KevEz can I have the replay files from your thnikk keypad and rubberdome comparison?
Also please link me the map.

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

KevEz can I have the replay files from your thnikk keypad and rubberdome comparison?
Also please link me the map.

Map: https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/s/24634
Keypad replay: http://puu.sh/etI9f/ac6bd34e28.osr
RubberDome Replay: http://puu.sh/etIpb/f606a4d0d2.osr

Anyway, i'm excited to try it with all the lightning and stuff Q.Q xD.
I saw you sent it earlier today . Now just have to wait for it

Thnikk wrote: 5i2u2d

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

I heard this could solve all those tape problems

I've tried rubber feet initially and they didn't work particularly well, mainly because they keypads aren't heavy enough. The cable has more influence on it than anything else, and while playing you just sort of nudge it around. These do look a little bit more rubbery than my last ones though, so I'll give it a shot.

I also have 7 radio shacks within a 10 mile radius of me and they're $2. How could I go wrong?

If all else fails:
+

IT MIGHT NOT BE PRETTY BUT IT WILL WORK!

I exactly have something like your picture on the right!

I was playing around a bit today:


Unfortunately, I couldn't get pin 4 working with the LED so I had to use pins 1 and 2 for the LEDs and have the buttons share pin 3. Not ideal and I'd still like to try to get pin 4 working, but it doesn't seem to play too well with the keyboard library.

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

Anyway, i'm excited to try it with all the lightning and stuff Q.Q xD.
I saw you sent it earlier today . Now just have to wait for it

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

I'm happy you're excited for it

If all else fails:
GLUE + WOOD

IT MIGHT NOT BE PRETTY BUT IT WILL WORK!

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't thought of that. Just replace the wood with a plastic mouse pad and the glue with tape and add a wrist rest underneath.

For gripping the table without using tape, I would suggest trying some silicon rubber single sided tape. These tapes have a static coefficient of friction of up to 4. I have used these tapes to grip everything from plywood to the surface of poly-carbonate. However, these tapes only stick to themselves... Actually, maybe this stuff isn't the best for your application

Another thing you can try is to buy 2 magnets of decent strength, glue one to the bottom of the keypad and place the other on the underside of the table. (these have a 6.1 lb pulling force and should be small enough for your project, but do be careful, neodymium magnets are very fragile especially thin N48's) Then, place a strip of rubberized tape over the underside of the keypad including the face of the glued magnet. Because the Micro-controller uses flash memory rather than magnetic disks, the presence of the magnet will not erase any data. The rubber tape plays two parts in this, it increases the friction with the table surface, as well as damping the vibrations caused by key-hits. (which keeps the board from being vibrated off position)

sanguisinvia wrote: 4n2m1w

For gripping the table without using tape, I would suggest trying some silicon rubber single sided tape. These tapes have a static coefficient of friction of up to 4. I have used these tapes to grip everything from plywood to the surface of poly-carbonate. However, these tapes only stick to themselves... Actually, maybe this stuff isn't the best for your application

Another thing you can try is to buy 2 magnets of decent strength, glue one to the bottom of the keypad and place the other on the underside of the table. (these have a 6.1 lb pulling force and should be small enough for your project, but do be careful, neodymium magnets are very fragile especially thin N48's) Then, place a strip of rubberized tape over the underside of the keypad including the face of the glued magnet. Because the Micro-controller uses flash memory rather than magnetic disks, the presence of the magnet will not erase any data. The rubber tape plays two parts in this, it increases the friction with the table surface, as well as damping the vibrations caused by key-hits. (which keeps the board from being vibrated off position)

The springs inside the switches are made of steel I think.

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

The springs inside the switches are made of steel I think.

From what I can find, the springs are made from stainless steel, which is generally non-magnetic. However, the sources disagree with each other on whether the stainless steel used is a magnetic strand. But for the sake of argument, let's say that they were magnetic, the small springs would be magnetized toward the bottom of the plate. Due to their housing, they cannot move around, so as far as I can tell, there would be no issue with magnets even if the springs were magnetic.

What about when the spring is compressed?

ZenithPhantasm wrote: 2c4mp

What about when the spring is compressed?

What?... The material of the spring remains constant, and even when the spring is fully compressed, it is still firmly attached on all edges... To go even further, the springs are more constrained when they are compressed... I don't quite understand what you are trying to get at...

sanguisinvia wrote: 4n2m1w

For gripping the table without using tape, I would suggest trying some silicon rubber single sided tape. These tapes have a static coefficient of friction of up to 4. I have used these tapes to grip everything from plywood to the surface of poly-carbonate. However, these tapes only stick to themselves... Actually, maybe this stuff isn't the best for your application

Another thing you can try is to buy 2 magnets of decent strength, glue one to the bottom of the keypad and place the other on the underside of the table. (these have a 6.1 lb pulling force and should be small enough for your project, but do be careful, neodymium magnets are very fragile especially thin N48's) Then, place a strip of rubberized tape over the underside of the keypad including the face of the glued magnet. Because the Micro-controller uses flash memory rather than magnetic disks, the presence of the magnet will not erase any data. The rubber tape plays two parts in this, it increases the friction with the table surface, as well as damping the vibrations caused by key-hits. (which keeps the board from being vibrated off position)

I think I have some neodymium magnets lying around so I'll give it a try, but I have 2 concerns. The s inside the switch are magnetic so this could cause them to stick (though there's a decent distance between the keyswitches and the magnet if it was mounted to the bottom of the keypad,) and thicker desks. My ikea desk is almost an inch and a half thick, and since this is a variable for customers, I'd rather not rely on it since its effectiveness would be inconsistent.

Thnikk wrote: 5i2u2d

The s inside the switch are magnetic so this could cause them to stick (though there's a decent distance between the keyswitches and the magnet if it was mounted to the bottom of the keypad,) and thicker desks.

The switches have gold cross-point s, gold is non-magnetic. But for the sake of argument, and because they are only gold plated, we'll say that the inner material is magnetic. Even so, you would need a much stronger magnet if you wanted to even dream of deforming the metal s, especially if you look at how the magnetic force would be applied to the s themselves. (The s are separated by a piece of plastic which is attached to the stem of the switch (the plus piece that the key attaches to) In order for the magnet to trigger a connection between the s, it would need to be able to move that plastic piece downwards)

Thnikk wrote: 5i2u2d

My ikea desk is almost an inch and a half thick, and since this is a variable for customers, I'd rather not rely on it since its effectiveness would be inconsistent.

I never said that this was an end-all solution, only a possible solution for those who didn't want to use tape or glue on their desks. But I am interested in seeing your final solution for securing such a light object to the table.

sanguisinvia wrote: 4n2m1w

Thnikk wrote: 5i2u2d

The s inside the switch are magnetic so this could cause them to stick (though there's a decent distance between the keyswitches and the magnet if it was mounted to the bottom of the keypad,) and thicker desks.

The switches have gold cross-point s, gold is non-magnetic. But for the sake of argument, and because they are only gold plated, we'll say that the inner material is magnetic. Even so, you would need a much stronger magnet if you wanted to even dream of deforming the metal s, especially if you look at how the magnetic force would be applied to the s themselves. (The s are separated by a piece of plastic which is attached to the stem of the switch (the plus piece that the key attaches to) In order for the magnet to trigger a connection between the s, it would need to be able to move that plastic piece downwards)

Thnikk wrote: 5i2u2d

My ikea desk is almost an inch and a half thick, and since this is a variable for customers, I'd rather not rely on it since its effectiveness would be inconsistent.

I never said that this was an end-all solution, only a possible solution for those who didn't want to use tape or glue on their desks. But I am interested in seeing your final solution for securing such a light object to the table. (If your going to go with tape, use painter's tape, as it is designed to not damage the surface to which it is applied)

Looked at the switch gifs again and you're totally right. I was thinking everything was the opposite (even though I've opened switches before.)

I'm going to mess around with it a bit while waiting for parts for the next batch (when this one sells out, 7/9 sold.) I want to try these out and I guess I'll add painter's tape to the list, too!

How ing velcro tape??? Cheap to swing by Home Depot and picking up a strip or two. Not as elegant but it works

If you're worried about movability you could velcro it to some hardcover book or something

Received the keypad today (Cherry MX Red switches) and I've been playing with it for around an hour or so. It's not much of a review but hopefully it would help a little.

There was something wrong with the shipping at first but it was actually resolved quite quickly and thnikk threw in extra keycaps, which I thought was a really nice gesture.

Everything was alright, nothing got wrecked from the shipping and everything was in good condition. It only took me a minute to start. The only thing was that the keypad was so light, so it started moving around everywhere when I was playing with it. I'm not sure if it's not supposed to come with the tape or anything, but I found an alternative solution (?) that stopped it from moving around since my streamings are quite... intense.

The O-rings were completely fine too. It actually reduces the noise significantly and it's much easier to press down on the keys. This might be personal preference though, but I thought it would be good to just touch on it a little.

It's been an hour or so and everything's going good. There's no delay when I'm playing and I'm loving this keypad a lot! I'll update if there's any issues but honestly, I doubt there would be any. I wouldn't be able to show any live play or any pro plays since I'm only 13k but if a replay would help, I'll gladly contribute.

tl;dr 10/10 just go and get it already

I'm still waiting for mine D:<
but it was supposed to come with the tape o - O

If anyone who's made a purchase would like to leave a review on Etsy, I wouuld really appreciate it. I didn't realize that was a thing until yesterday. I'm still very new to Etsy

My demo video of the leds fading out seems like a distant dream. I'm running into issues with the trinket not recognizing the keys being held down properly even though I was very liberal with the analog values. I'll have to look into it more, but it definitely won't make its way into the next batch.

Dreamify wrote: 195dc

Received the keypad today (Cherry MX Red switches) and I've been playing with it for around an hour or so. It's not much of a review but hopefully it would help a little.

There was something wrong with the shipping at first but it was actually resolved quite quickly and thnikk threw in extra keycaps, which I thought was a really nice gesture.

Everything was alright, nothing got wrecked from the shipping and everything was in good condition. It only took me a minute to start. The only thing was that the keypad was so light, so it started moving around everywhere when I was playing with it. I'm not sure if it's not supposed to come with the tape or anything, but I found an alternative solution (?) that stopped it from moving around since my streamings are quite... intense.

The O-rings were completely fine too. It actually reduces the noise significantly and it's much easier to press down on the keys. This might be personal preference though, but I thought it would be good to just touch on it a little.

It's been an hour or so and everything's going good. There's no delay when I'm playing and I'm loving this keypad a lot! I'll update if there's any issues but honestly, I doubt there would be any. I wouldn't be able to show any live play or any pro plays since I'm only 13k but if a replay would help, I'll gladly contribute.

tl;dr 10/10 just go and get it already

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Glad you like it! At this point I'd like to keep replays for anyone that wants to show off, so you can if you'd like to.

Sorry, I can't believe I messed up the shipping and forgot the tape. I'm happy to see that you came up with your own solution, though!

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

I'm still waiting for mine D:<
but it was supposed to come with the tape o - O

I know you got your tape for sure because I almost forgot it. I made a checklist after for future orders to make sure everything's included.

In of novelty, how about pre-assembling these boards with a case instead?
http://techkeys.us/collections/accessor ... iness-card

List of Items:
http://techkeys.us/cart

Should somewhat ease your build times

dagambler999 wrote: 23ss

In of novelty, how about pre-assembling these boards with a case instead?
http://techkeys.us/collections/accessor ... iness-card

List of Items:
http://techkeys.us/cart

Should somewhat ease your build times

Sorry! I was in a rush earlier and forgot to reply to your post. I wasn't trying to ignore you.

Velcro could be okay (I'm thinking scotch's where it's just one side that sticks to itself) if I was to include 3 pieces. One could be attached to the keypad and the other two could be used on whatever surface you want to stick it to. I definitely want to try the reusable adhesive strip first, but maybe having options available isn't a bad idea.

I'm not a huge fan of the techkeys business card. I think they're cool as a novelty for techkeys (it's one hell of a business card,) but not very good for osu. The physical button layout is kind of strange, they're large, and they're expensive (trinkets are almost $6.) I'm afraid that my keypads are cost prohibitive enough as is, so having another option that I wouldn't realistically be able to sell for less than techkeys doesn't seem viable. All I would really be doing would be adding a large precut case, and I could probably match his price of $40, but I don't think you'd be getting enough out of it buying it through me.

My build times aren't really too bad. My least favorite part is definitely cutting the plastic since I don't have the best tools for the job. I think the soldering and heat-shrinking are pretty fun

Ordered mine yesterday. I already have blue switches but i don't like the tactile bump for osu. Thought this would be a better idea than having to buy another keyboard just for osu.

May get this after VN new year if the shipping didn't cost half the price of the keypad >_>

I've gotten some emails and PMs asking about pricing and shipping, so just to clear things up I'd like to say this:

I will only take custom orders through pm/email for things I don't already offer through Etsy. They only take a 3.5% cut (I'm used to ebay's 10% so that's nothing in comparison) and simplify the transaction a lot, so I'd like to use it whenever possible.

Kachemine wrote: 3n4t4x

Ordered mine yesterday. I already have blue switches but i don't like the tactile bump for osu. Thought this would be a better idea than having to buy another keyboard just for osu.

Thanks for posting! It's nice to know when people are from the forum

chanhien wrote: w6c4q

May get this after VN new year if the shipping didn't cost half the price of the keypad >_>

I wish I could do something about it, but international shipping isn't cheap, even for small and light things.

It's better than express shipping from Japan to the US (a lot heavier but still)

Yea from US to , added like 7euro just for shipping xD.

If anyone is interested in seeing more gameplay with the keypad, My friend [Rank 33k] came over and i had him play with it for a while https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/u/fernan12

if you could custom make me some mlp keys i might be interested in picking one up

ztrot wrote: 1s6e

if you could custom make me some mlp keys i might be interested in picking one up

Pony swag

Batch #1 is all gone! Thank you guys so much for your !

Parts for the next batch are on their way and it should be up within the next week. I've bumped the length of the cables up to 6 feet and I'll spend the week experimenting with some new methods of keeping the keypads from moving around on your desk.

Still messing around with the teensy and got the LEDs to fade out properly today! It's not that amazing but I'm proud of myself. Since I have some leftover keyswitches I'm going to see what I can do with an 8-10 key keypad with the teensy.

KevEz wrote: 6x11r

If anyone is interested in seeing more gameplay with the keypad, My friend [Rank 33k] came over and i had him play with it for a while https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/u/fernan12
[video]

...I don't play well under pressure. I hope your friend wasn't with you when you were spectating me

Thanks for another video!

ztrot wrote: 1s6e

if you could custom make me some mlp keys i might be interested in picking one up

The keypads use cherry mx keyswitches and I offer a no keycaps option on etsy, so if you could find them you could put them on. Since keycaps are personal (even more so for a 2 key thing,) I want to leave any choices beyond what I offer up to the buyer. I welcome suggestions for my own stock but only if they seem like something everyone would like. I'm content with my current offerings and I don't really plan on changing them too much.



By the way, thank you very much to Dreamify for the wonderful review on etsy!

I just received it and tested it for 10min! Very fast delivery! It seems very awesome! Also for your message it is "Bonjour! Merci pour ton achat"
Almost right, you wrote: "Bonjour! Merci pour son achat" xD

So i sticked it to my old mousepad and it is working fine, i tell you more later! Np for the :3

What are you using for the board/where did you get it?

what do you mean by "what are you using for the board?"
I got it from his shop when he was selling the first batch on etsy? xD

SupraKyun wrote: 465q3p

what do you mean by "what are you using for the board?"
I got it from his shop when he was selling the first batch on etsy? xD

I mean what is he using for input (What PCB board) is being using within the keypad? Like arduino for example.