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helloiamcheckingthis.
01:41:157 (1) - 这个我感觉ctrl+G效果更好
02:24:162 (8,9,10,11) - touching the HP bar due to auto stacking, please fix it.
03:06:128 (2,1) - http://puu.sh/dEiEM/c905a99413.jpg这里怎么overlap了一点啊我好伤心啊
03:31:619 (1,2,3,4,5) - 不知为何没音效，shi漏了么
02:59:191 - 这段的音量可能要稍微提一点，我的劣质耳机提醒我inaudible了
03:06:128 (2) - 尾巴忘记drum sampleset了？
03:13:064 (1) - ^
For the incoming drama: This map is not overmapped as those streams are mapped to the apparent sounds in the song.
01:41:157 (1) - 这个我感觉ctrl+G效果更好
02:24:162 (8,9,10,11) - touching the HP bar due to auto stacking, please fix it.
03:06:128 (2,1) - http://puu.sh/dEiEM/c905a99413.jpg这里怎么overlap了一点啊我好伤心啊
03:31:619 (1,2,3,4,5) - 不知为何没音效，shi漏了么
02:59:191 - 这段的音量可能要稍微提一点，我的劣质耳机提醒我inaudible了
03:06:128 (2) - 尾巴忘记drum sampleset了？
03:13:064 (1) - ^
For the incoming drama: This map is not overmapped as those streams are mapped to the apparent sounds in the song.
thx for modding!Oracle wrote: 1s2h4h
helloiamcheckingthis.
01:41:157 (1) - 这个我感觉ctrl+G效果更好 还是现在这样好，不然连续两个逆向flow太别手了，
02:24:162 (8,9,10,11) - touching the HP bar due to auto stacking, please fix it. fixed.
03:06:128 (2,1) - http://puu.sh/dEiEM/c905a99413.jpg这里怎么overlap了一点啊我好伤心啊 怎么那么强迫症，其实这俩滑条overlap了一圈不是这么一点啦，感觉还行就这样吧。
03:31:619 (1,2,3,4,5) - 不知为何没音效，shi漏了么 不是，这里确实没有音效。
02:59:191 - 这段的音量可能要稍微提一点，我的劣质耳机提醒我inaudible了 changed.
03:06:128 (2) - 尾巴忘记drum sampleset了？ changed. 本来确实是故意不加的，不过还是加了吧。
03:13:064 (1) - ^ ^
For the incoming drama: This map is not overmapped as those streams are mapped to the apparent sounds in the song.
Barney
还有人记得这张图当初的模样吗？
Halozy - Gennryuu Kaiko (Hollow Wings) [Waterfall]
What was the map like when first made ↑
转眼间萌萌的HW都要AFK了.
Halozy - Gennryuu Kaiko (Hollow Wings) [Waterfall]
What was the map like when first made ↑
转眼间萌萌的HW都要AFK了.
吓得我飞了起来Autumn wrote: 2d2863
还有人记得这张图当初的模样吗？
Halozy - Gennryuu Kaiko (Hollow Wings) [Waterfall]
What was the map like when first made ↑
转眼间萌萌的HW都要AFK了.
I think even people who can play it will complain, just like when people who can't play something offer compliments. It doesn't matter as long as they aren't acting like a dick and explain their reasoning.Weed wrote: 6e1r9
would never have guessed this map would ever become qualified... really an amazing map, its a shame those who can't play it will proceed to QQ
hmm most of these complaints are coming from people that can't play it and i haven't yet seen one from someone who canLach wrote: 4l454w
I think even people who can play it will complain, just like when people who can't play something offer compliments. It doesn't matter as long as they aren't acting like a dick and explain their reasoning.Weed wrote: 6e1r9
would never have guessed this map would ever become qualified... really an amazing map, its a shame those who can't play it will proceed to QQ
Huh? https://osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org/s/100348ByBy_ChAn wrote: 2a4e2c
WOW ! It's your first ranked marathon map ? If is , congrats HW !!!
Sorry, but this map lacks a fair bit of something that is called quality and should have not been ranked in its current state. If you need more details, this is probably due to blatant abuse of patterns like 00:47:399 (1,2,3,1,2) - and the fact there are barely any distinct and audible sounds you mapped most, if not all streams to. Oh, and also a massive pile of overlapping copypaste that starts from 03:43:584, not speaking of the stream that follows the kiai part on 04:05:781 and ignores any features provided to you by music.
I am also going to refer to this post, as similar situation has already happened once in the past; you can read first two paragraphs of it, replacing "Platinum" with "Mysterious Hymn".
I am also going to refer to this post, as similar situation has already happened once in the past; you can read first two paragraphs of it, replacing "Platinum" with "Mysterious Hymn".
HW的图总是要来个一次两次的
Since it has been DQ'd, I think i should point out the mistake of storyboard lyrics here
There are two places of your sb lyrics are wrong: (check http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Lyrics:_%E6%BA%90%E6%B5%81%E6%87%90%E5%8F%A4)
Since it has been DQ'd, I think i should point out the mistake of storyboard lyrics here
There are two places of your sb lyrics are wrong: (check http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Lyrics:_%E6%BA%90%E6%B5%81%E6%87%90%E5%8F%A4)
- 13.png 风->風
- last-1.png (?)->崩
Just wondering, when a QAT wants to unqualify a map, can they do it on their own accord or do they actually need get the approval of other QATs aswell? There are times when I see a map get unqualified, and the QAT post say something like, '' Hello there I've talked with this other QAT and this third QAT and we decide this doesnt work so rip your map'', and other times, like Otsukimi Recital and this, where it's just one QAT saying ''This map is bad and is now unqualified''TicClick wrote: s5g5y
Sorry, but this map lacks a fair bit of something that is called quality and should have not been ranked in its current state. If you need more details, this is probably due to blatant abuse of patterns like 00:47:399 (1,2,3,1,2) - and the fact there are barely any distinct and audible sounds you mapped most, if not all streams to. Oh, and also a massive pile of overlapping copypaste that starts from 03:43:584, not speaking of the stream that follows the kiai part on 04:05:781 and ignores any features provided to you by music.
I am also going to refer to this post, as similar situation has already happened once in the past; you can read first two paragraphs of it, replacing "Platinum" with "Mysterious Hymn".
There's a reason why you need to get maps bubbled before ranking, you know...
yea sure, but there's also a reason for the qualifie section/qatKotonoha wrote: 2m6t4d
Just wondering, when a QAT wants to unqualify a map, can they do it on their own accord or do they actually need get the approval of other QATs aswell? There are times when I see a map get unqualified, and the QAT post say something like, '' Hello there I've talked with this other QAT and this third QAT and we decide this doesnt work so rip your map'', and other times, like Otsukimi Recital and this, where it's just one QAT saying ''This map is bad and is now unqualified''TicClick wrote: s5g5y
Sorry, but this map lacks a fair bit of something that is called quality and should have not been ranked in its current state. If you need more details, this is probably due to blatant abuse of patterns like 00:47:399 (1,2,3,1,2) - and the fact there are barely any distinct and audible sounds you mapped most, if not all streams to. Oh, and also a massive pile of overlapping copypaste that starts from 03:43:584, not speaking of the stream that follows the kiai part on 04:05:781 and ignores any features provided to you by music.
I am also going to refer to this post, as similar situation has already happened once in the past; you can read first two paragraphs of it, replacing "Platinum" with "Mysterious Hymn".
There's a reason why you need to get maps bubbled before ranking, you know...
You're completely missing my point.FlobuFlobs wrote: n332m
yea sure, but there's also a reason for the qualifie section/qatKotonoha wrote: 2m6t4d
Just wondering, when a QAT wants to unqualify a map, can they do it on their own accord or do they actually need get the approval of other QATs aswell? There are times when I see a map get unqualified, and the QAT post say something like, '' Hello there I've talked with this other QAT and this third QAT and we decide this doesnt work so rip your map'', and other times, like Otsukimi Recital and this, where it's just one QAT saying ''This map is bad and is now unqualified''
There's a reason why you need to get maps bubbled before ranking, you know...
Kodora
Song have constant 1/4 beats during almost all drain time, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with mapping them, especially considering that they're provided by the song and hitsounded to fit the song perfectly.
And I can totally agree with Tess - dropping out just a broken heart icon without real issues to point out, without proper suggestions of how this may be fixed is so unprofessional.
And I can totally agree with Tess - dropping out just a broken heart icon without real issues to point out, without proper suggestions of how this may be fixed is so unprofessional.
What's not fitting about it, though? The song is really intense, as is the map. The sv flows quite well and the patterns match the intensity of the song really well too - I mentioned the last section being too hard earlier, but I still think it fits, despite its ridiculous difficulty. I think people are too used to easier maps. A map's difficulty isn't what makes it good or bad. It's how said difficulty is designed. I think we can all agree that Tenshi isn't a bad map and that map is miles harder than this one.SnowflakeStreet wrote: 3i6v3
I'm cool with difficult maps, but the song is just not fitting.
Except this map uses unique patterns, and that is what you have an issue with. Just like Miss You, which isn't really all that hard at all, but got the same amount of shit. Nobody really cares about a map's difficulty so long as it's mapped in a way preferred to them. That's what I've always seen, at least.
Maybe we need to start making it more clear what the difference is between objective and subjective quality in maps.
unfortunate that this is the reality of the QAT now, that they believe they can make subjective unranks for "map quality" without any attempt at improving the map because they believe their definition of "quality" is more important than the BATs involved in ranking the map
I personally don't have much of an opinion on the map one way or the other, but the simple fact that this was unqualified on such a weak concept just disappoints me
I personally don't have much of an opinion on the map one way or the other, but the simple fact that this was unqualified on such a weak concept just disappoints me
Truth has been spokencaptin1 wrote: 56m3a
unfortunate that this is the reality of the QAT now, that they believe they can make subjective unranks for "map quality" without any attempt at improving the map because they believe their definition of "quality" is more important than the BATs involved in ranking the map
I personally don't have much of an opinion on the map one way or the other, but the simple fact that this was unqualified on such a weak concept just disappoints me
Yup. Make this my words.captin1 wrote: 56m3a
unfortunate that this is the reality of the QAT now, that they believe they can make subjective unranks for "map quality" without any attempt at improving the map because they believe their definition of "quality" is more important than the BATs involved in ranking the map
I personally don't have much of an opinion on the map one way or the other, but the simple fact that this was unqualified on such a weak concept just disappoints me
Instead of tossing around blame and namecalling pointlessly, I'm going to point out some patterns in this map that I don't think are very fair at all. Examples:
01:26:070 (15,1) - You expect the player to cross 75% of the screen in less than 1/10 of a second, and the music isn't even especially intense there, which doesn't make much sense. Most people complaining about the map are doing so because of patterns like this that aim for sheer difficulty rather than playability or going along with the music.
02:01:446 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - I don't objectively have problems with most of the stream spacing in this map, but the angle change here feels HORRIBLE, at least to me. Around (11) or so, the angle takes a sharp turn instead of a smooth one, and it just doesn't really work. I'm not sure I've full comboed this part ever, and I've tried this map a lot. 00:43:758 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - has a similar problem, although it's not quite as bad.
03:00:579 (2,1,1) - The slider blanketing here isn't very great, and the blanketing all throughout this slow section suffers from similar issues. Set the circle size to 2.5 to see it more clearly.
04:00:231 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - The note speedup here also feels pretty bad, and to me it feels more luck-based whether you hit it or not because you have to change your cursor angle and speed so quickly.
04:13:845 (14,15,16,1,2,3,4) - Another really sharp, weird angle that I screw up more often than not. This one isn't as bad as the others I've mentioned though.
04:25:116 (16,1) - What am I looking at? I can't think of any possible cursor motion that can play this intuitively.
05:00:925 (2,3,4,5,1) - Not necessarily a problem, but can anyone even FC this? 1.20x note spacing on 2 x 2.8 slider velocity.
I actually like this map a lot; it's challenging, fun to play, and has a lot of awesome-looking patterns. The problem is that it's just not very high quality, and the problem with making maps this hard is that almost nobody knows how it actually feels to play, or whether certain patterns work or not, so it's not going to get too many useful mods - and even if it does, you might have to give up some of your awesome patterns because, despite your best effort, and despite how fun they might be to play, they're not necessarily good.
: there's nothing wrong with mapping for the graveyard.
01:26:070 (15,1) - You expect the player to cross 75% of the screen in less than 1/10 of a second, and the music isn't even especially intense there, which doesn't make much sense. Most people complaining about the map are doing so because of patterns like this that aim for sheer difficulty rather than playability or going along with the music.
02:01:446 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - I don't objectively have problems with most of the stream spacing in this map, but the angle change here feels HORRIBLE, at least to me. Around (11) or so, the angle takes a sharp turn instead of a smooth one, and it just doesn't really work. I'm not sure I've full comboed this part ever, and I've tried this map a lot. 00:43:758 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - has a similar problem, although it's not quite as bad.
03:00:579 (2,1,1) - The slider blanketing here isn't very great, and the blanketing all throughout this slow section suffers from similar issues. Set the circle size to 2.5 to see it more clearly.
04:00:231 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - The note speedup here also feels pretty bad, and to me it feels more luck-based whether you hit it or not because you have to change your cursor angle and speed so quickly.
04:13:845 (14,15,16,1,2,3,4) - Another really sharp, weird angle that I screw up more often than not. This one isn't as bad as the others I've mentioned though.
04:25:116 (16,1) - What am I looking at? I can't think of any possible cursor motion that can play this intuitively.
05:00:925 (2,3,4,5,1) - Not necessarily a problem, but can anyone even FC this? 1.20x note spacing on 2 x 2.8 slider velocity.
I actually like this map a lot; it's challenging, fun to play, and has a lot of awesome-looking patterns. The problem is that it's just not very high quality, and the problem with making maps this hard is that almost nobody knows how it actually feels to play, or whether certain patterns work or not, so it's not going to get too many useful mods - and even if it does, you might have to give up some of your awesome patterns because, despite your best effort, and despite how fun they might be to play, they're not necessarily good.
: there's nothing wrong with mapping for the graveyard.
While we're at it, here's a thing that buggs me quite much.
■ I really love these Streams 04:05:781 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - and the idea behind them, but I really hate the fact that these sharp turns sometimes happen on normal beats (and not on the very strong ones that'd indicate such a change) or vocals. This goes for:
04:09:075 (7) -
04:13:238 (7) -
04:17:313 (7) -
04:18:786 (7) -
04:24:423 (8) -
04:45:318 (9) -
04:46:706 (9) -
04:48:180 (10) -
It'd feel more natural if you'd only use these for the very strong beat in the song (best example is the first stream Ive posted).
■ I would also shape 04:22:081 (13,14,15,16) - more curvy to the right. There's no real reason to have the start of the next combo on the right side if it's shaped like that.
Edit: oh, also. These things 01:28:584 (6,7,8) - feel extremely awkward. You're most likely expecting a repeat Slider like the tons of the times you've had that one before, but there's none and you just suddenly have to play the next repeat Slider that starts on a red tick (opposed to the all-white-tick combo before that)
■ I really love these Streams 04:05:781 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - and the idea behind them, but I really hate the fact that these sharp turns sometimes happen on normal beats (and not on the very strong ones that'd indicate such a change) or vocals. This goes for:
04:09:075 (7) -
04:13:238 (7) -
04:17:313 (7) -
04:18:786 (7) -
04:24:423 (8) -
04:45:318 (9) -
04:46:706 (9) -
04:48:180 (10) -
It'd feel more natural if you'd only use these for the very strong beat in the song (best example is the first stream Ive posted).
■ I would also shape 04:22:081 (13,14,15,16) - more curvy to the right. There's no real reason to have the start of the next combo on the right side if it's shaped like that.
Edit: oh, also. These things 01:28:584 (6,7,8) - feel extremely awkward. You're most likely expecting a repeat Slider like the tons of the times you've had that one before, but there's none and you just suddenly have to play the next repeat Slider that starts on a red tick (opposed to the all-white-tick combo before that)
I don't recall something having to be FCable reliably to be good or enjoyable
If it's possible to humanly FC it, I don't really see the issue
Also yeah sil you really picked the worst possible example here
I think this would be a better example when it comes to recently ranked hard maps
Or, hell, even this would count (the fact that it's a HW map doesn't really make the point any less valid, considering that we're talking about rankable difficulty here)
But I think that Elemental Creation is probably the #1 example of recently ranked extremely hard maps. Why do all of those maps get to , but not this one? Yeah, it could see some improvements here and there, but that doesn't mean that you should recommend it to stay in the graveyard. That's really rude, and using a map's difficulty as a reason for it to stay graved is just a weak argument.
When it comes to quality, I'd say that it's quite high, and I've seen other s agree, but others would also say it's not. This is fine, and it happens on every map. There is no map that everybody loves, and that's fine. So why do I see so many people putting their personal opinion over pointing out objective issues within the map?
I really can't understand why despite all the previous map dramas people still can't get over themselves and their preferences
If it's possible to humanly FC it, I don't really see the issue
Also yeah sil you really picked the worst possible example here
I think this would be a better example when it comes to recently ranked hard maps
Or, hell, even this would count (the fact that it's a HW map doesn't really make the point any less valid, considering that we're talking about rankable difficulty here)
But I think that Elemental Creation is probably the #1 example of recently ranked extremely hard maps. Why do all of those maps get to , but not this one? Yeah, it could see some improvements here and there, but that doesn't mean that you should recommend it to stay in the graveyard. That's really rude, and using a map's difficulty as a reason for it to stay graved is just a weak argument.
When it comes to quality, I'd say that it's quite high, and I've seen other s agree, but others would also say it's not. This is fine, and it happens on every map. There is no map that everybody loves, and that's fine. So why do I see so many people putting their personal opinion over pointing out objective issues within the map?
I really can't understand why despite all the previous map dramas people still can't get over themselves and their preferences
I just don't see what makes this a "shitty low quality map". The map is easy to read and feels, at least to me, like it matches the song. The only gripe I can see is that it's moderately difficult to play. And I don't see why difficulty of playing should factor into ranking a map. I'm not a mapper so I know my opinion might not hold much weight at all, but as a player I'm really sad to see this map go ): it seemed like a breath of fresh air and I really enjoyed itnookls wrote: 4u3623
i really don't get what qualifies as rankable and what doesn't anymore. one shitty low quality map gets ranked, the next doesn't. it's an all or none situation, so make it be that way.
OH NO people have different opinions!Soap755 wrote: l63n
I agree with this.nookls wrote: 4u3623
i really don't get what qualifies as rankable and what doesn't anymore. one shitty low quality map gets ranked, the next doesn't. it's an all or none situation, so make it be that way.
Then there's some good un-ranked maps that don't get ranked. Like gg.
What if the maps that you consider good, are actually 1/2 spam with no spacing which people worship as "the best maps" such as some of caren's or silynn's maps, that barely follow anything in the ranking criteria and have zero technical qualify?
People should know that maps that get ranked are the ones who have rankable quality. If you don't like it, someone else does. That's why it got ranked in the first place. People should really acknowledge that other people have different opinions.
"This map is an overmapped piece of shit, it's not an opinion, it's a fact! just listen to the music guys, you're wrong and i'm right!!!!!"
It is sad to see this got unranked.
For those who think the hitsound is inaudible. Please turn of music volume and leave effect volume on for a while and listen to the nicely made custom hitsound that is so rythmic.
For those who think the map doesn't fit the song or overmapped. Please listen carefully to the music where the note is placed. There's always something to be there. Don't judge overmapping on your own opinion about what fit and what is not. It is too subjective. Every mapper has his own pattern to follow. Notes doesn't necessarily need to follow certain vocal patterns, or drum patterns or single instrumental pattern. Listen to maps like Miss You by Hanzer.
For those who think the map is too hard to play, not fcable. Please please note that there's no map that suit everyone's skill level and play style. There's no reason to believe a map is overmapped just because u cannot play it. This is where the star difficulty system come into play. Though it is not that accurate to judge the difficulty level, it is at least objective and give u a sense. Try to fc freedom dive or big black before u post "this is just mapping for difficulty". And don't forget how "shitty" maps like big black got SSed by rrtyui this year.
For mapping style, personally I cannot accept HW's mapping style due to my bad reading ability. But it is OK as long as a few people enjoys this map. I witnesses how JappyBabes fc that last crazy part and how mercurius got 1200combo on this map, there are some player that this map is aiming for. As players' skill improves, the mapping style is changing all the time. This is 2014 and may as well be a 2015 map. I saw shitty maps that has unreasonably long and boring and ugly slider that are ranked and are considered "qualified" by the QATs or that has very awkward blanks between notes that are considered "not overmapped". It is just so sad that this is disqualified just because one QAT said that this lacks quality and because of streams and sounds and another unrelated thread.
Good job HW and I hope u keep working on this and get it re-ranked.
For those who think the hitsound is inaudible. Please turn of music volume and leave effect volume on for a while and listen to the nicely made custom hitsound that is so rythmic.
For those who think the map doesn't fit the song or overmapped. Please listen carefully to the music where the note is placed. There's always something to be there. Don't judge overmapping on your own opinion about what fit and what is not. It is too subjective. Every mapper has his own pattern to follow. Notes doesn't necessarily need to follow certain vocal patterns, or drum patterns or single instrumental pattern. Listen to maps like Miss You by Hanzer.
For those who think the map is too hard to play, not fcable. Please please note that there's no map that suit everyone's skill level and play style. There's no reason to believe a map is overmapped just because u cannot play it. This is where the star difficulty system come into play. Though it is not that accurate to judge the difficulty level, it is at least objective and give u a sense. Try to fc freedom dive or big black before u post "this is just mapping for difficulty". And don't forget how "shitty" maps like big black got SSed by rrtyui this year.
For mapping style, personally I cannot accept HW's mapping style due to my bad reading ability. But it is OK as long as a few people enjoys this map. I witnesses how JappyBabes fc that last crazy part and how mercurius got 1200combo on this map, there are some player that this map is aiming for. As players' skill improves, the mapping style is changing all the time. This is 2014 and may as well be a 2015 map. I saw shitty maps that has unreasonably long and boring and ugly slider that are ranked and are considered "qualified" by the QATs or that has very awkward blanks between notes that are considered "not overmapped". It is just so sad that this is disqualified just because one QAT said that this lacks quality and because of streams and sounds and another unrelated thread.
Good job HW and I hope u keep working on this and get it re-ranked.
How do you even determine "quality" to the point that a map can be ranked or not?
- Patterns that make sense? We see less and less of those in Insane/Extra difficulties nowadays and that's not stopping anyone.
- Readability? That's subjective, I can read stuff most people would call totally unreadable.
- Playability? That's subjective too, we saw some very good plays on this map even during the short time it was ranked, so obviously some people can play it.
- Following the music? Maybe, but I'd argue there are a lot of other ranked maps that completely make up their own beats. At least this one follows the constant background 1/4.
What it boils down to in the end, since any criteria (beyond ranking criteria themselves) is subjective, is whether or not the map is the best it can be. I don't think this one is yet, but all the same what right does anyone have to say "this mapping style is unrankable"?
- Patterns that make sense? We see less and less of those in Insane/Extra difficulties nowadays and that's not stopping anyone.
- Readability? That's subjective, I can read stuff most people would call totally unreadable.
- Playability? That's subjective too, we saw some very good plays on this map even during the short time it was ranked, so obviously some people can play it.
- Following the music? Maybe, but I'd argue there are a lot of other ranked maps that completely make up their own beats. At least this one follows the constant background 1/4.
What it boils down to in the end, since any criteria (beyond ranking criteria themselves) is subjective, is whether or not the map is the best it can be. I don't think this one is yet, but all the same what right does anyone have to say "this mapping style is unrankable"?