{"content":"\n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n pimp<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,417 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed April 2010<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n pimp<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-21T14:12:18+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n this proposal would just allow people to be more lazy, and would reduce even more the content targeted for the newer players. it's a regression for the ranking criteria rules. (but i think 4:30~4:45 length approval would be okay actually)if the player enjoys the game he will play any length. let's not assume new players would only want to play short songs.if the mapper is not interested in mapping a full set alone, he won't, doesn't matter if the song is 4 minutes long or only 30 seconds long (https:\/\/osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org\/s\/721039<\/a> https:\/\/osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org\/s\/663138<\/a>) (https:\/\/osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org\/s\/158023<\/a> https:\/\/osu-ppy-sh.tvgratuite.org\/s\/336471<\/a>). why worry about this when you can have guest mappers completing the spread?doesn't matter if getting mods\/icons for longer songs is more difficult. if you want to rank longer songs it's expected that you will have to work harder to make it happen. UndeadCapulet wrote:<\/h4>and now people are even starting to use r3 music box extensions to avoid making them<\/blockquote>this is the real problem, compilation maps should not be allowed anymore, or at least have reasonable restrictions, like allowing only compilations of the same album\/artist\/tv show\/movie and don't allow compilations of less than 3 songs \/ less than 7 minutes, only allow compilations to be mapped as the same difficulty level each song ...<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n tatatat<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 923 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n tatatat<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-21T15:46:10+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n This doesn't stop people from making r3 music box extensions. It'd only give them a very small incentive not to do it. Anyone lazy enough will still extend the mp3. What needs to happens is extensions repeating the same song need to be banned. Extensions are the problem. Lazy mappers are the problem. Sure this proposal might encourage 1 or 2 people not to extend their mp3, but other lazy people still will. If a song is 4:30, its 4:30. It shouldn't become 5:00 just because you're too lazy. Another problem is the BNs willing to rank it.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n ~with peace and love, tata~<\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Zonthem<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 571 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed October 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Zonthem<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-23T09:07:22+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I didn't read the whole tread (sorry) but the main issue behind the reduction of diffs in mapsets is newbies can't enjoy long musics because no one whould map it with a low SR, am i right ?\n\nWell what is we ask both BNs and QATs to rank (and nominate and so one) an equivalent number of high and low diffs ? I mean, mapping is a thing, ranking is another and there're already way much more Ex diffs maps than everything else, you can find countless sets having only one Ex diff not designed to be rank.\n\nImo we should let mappers do what they want and require BNs and QATs to regulate everything. Seems like actually BNs are obligated to nominate good mapsets even if they don't like the music, that's false but from my point of view it looks like it.\n\nAnd also ban R3 musics, especially combined with dragonforce<\/del><\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by Zonthem<\/a> 2018-04-23T09:14:03+00:00<\/time>, edited 1 time in total.\n <\/div>\n \n \n Je squatte p\/6154674<\/a>, vous pouvez me catch sur Discord si vous voulez :<\/strong> Zonthem#8591<\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n LwL<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 370 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed November 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n LwL<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-23T11:48:29+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n tatatat wrote:<\/h4>This doesn't stop people from making r3 music box extensions. It'd only give them a very small incentive not to do it. Anyone lazy enough will still extend the mp3. What needs to happens is extensions repeating the same song need to be banned. Extensions are the problem. Lazy mappers are the problem. Sure this proposal might encourage 1 or 2 people not to extend their mp3, but other lazy people still will. If a song is 4:30, its 4:30. It shouldn't become 5:00 just because you're too lazy. Another problem is the BNs willing to rank it.<\/blockquote>\n\nHonestly I think this is the wrong way to look at it. The R3 extensions aren't getting popular because all these mappers are super lazy and want to rank the song with no effort, they are getting popular because they want to rank it, but just don't want to put in the effort to make a million diffs for a proper spread leading up to a 7*. Sure they will still exist afterwards, but 1) There will be less of them and 2) tons of maps that would otherwise never get ranked might now have a better chance since they'd just require one or two additional diffs.\n\nThe point of this proposal also shouldn't be a crusade against R3 extensions, it should be to fix the underlying issue. \"Banning mp3 extensions\" is just fixing the symptoms and also completely unenforcable (it's now My Sweet Maiden (Riven's R3 Music Box Remix)), not an extension right?\n\nBanning mp3 extensions, even if there was some way to make it work, will, if anything, have the opposite effect, getting even less 4:30 songs ranked because extending them is no longer an option.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by LwL<\/a> 2018-04-23T11:48:52+00:00<\/time>, edited 1 time in total.\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n CXu<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 3,560 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2009<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n CXu<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-23T12:03:48+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Saying people should stop being lazy helps absolutely no one. You can't force people to \"not be lazy\", and what's being \"lazy\" or not is in relation to yourself anyway. A new mapper might've spent a week perfecting their tv size 4 diff mapset, meanwhile an experienced mapper could probably mindlessly make that same mapset in a few hours, have a better map in the end, and still have been \"lazy\" because they didn't spend the time making the best map they can. Decisions to the RC should not be decided on things like \"they're lazy so just make them not lazy\"; it's not like you're going to change their behavior with that. Rather, it should focus on what it can do to maximize the amount of content for all<\/em> players, and this includes more experienced players as well.If the concern is new players, then we can be sure that calmer 4:30min songs that would fit a NH spread better than a HX spread would still be ranked. If the details of the current proposal doesn't sound good, then suggesting changes that could work such as you still require a normal, or the spread needs to be 3 diff, or whatever, or maybe you believe the current situation is good as it is because x,y,z, but saying \"no because they're just lazy\" doesn't actually help the problem (if it is a problem) of less people mapping 4:30~4:59min songs, without extending them.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span>Wafuu~\/Boats<\/a><\/a><\/center><\/div><\/div>~Mod one of these and get a cookie!~<\/span><\/u><\/strong><\/span><\/a>Mod queue<\/a>.Feel free to poke me in-game if you have no idea what I'm talking about in my mod.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n LwL<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 370 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed November 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n LwL<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-23T16:16:45+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n CXu wrote:<\/h4>Saying people should stop being lazy helps absolutely no one. You can't force people to \"not be lazy\", and what's being \"lazy\" or not is in relation to yourself anyway. A new mapper might've spent a week perfecting their tv size 4 diff mapset, meanwhile an experienced mapper could probably mindlessly make that same mapset in a few hours, have a better map in the end, and still have been \"lazy\" because they didn't spend the time making the best map they can. Decisions to the RC should not be decided on things like \"they're lazy so just make them not lazy\"; it's not like you're going to change their behavior with that. Rather, it should focus on what it can do to maximize the amount of content for all<\/em> players, and this includes more experienced players as well.\n\nIf the concern is new players, then we can be sure that calmer 4:30min songs that would fit a NH spread better than a HX spread would still be ranked. If the details of the current proposal doesn't sound good, then suggesting changes that could work such as you still require a normal, or the spread needs to be 3 diff, or whatever, or maybe you believe the current situation is good as it is because x,y,z, but saying \"no because they're just lazy\" doesn't actually help the problem (if it is a problem) of less people mapping 4:30~4:59min songs, without extending them.<\/blockquote>\n\nI don't usually do this but\n\nthis.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n pimp<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,417 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed April 2010<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n pimp<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-23T21:33:59+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n once a map gets ranked it's expected that it will stay ranked for ever as long as the game is still alive, so just take your time to work on the map and stuff...again, we can just include guest difficulties and tell the guest mapper to get at least one mod for his own difficulty\/ask him to mod other difficulties. if you are able to make a very polished extra difficulty, there will be people interested in ing your mapset, and even if don't get that much attention you should be able to convince your friends to map a difficulty xD.the truth is that most mappers don't even like to make low diffs. they will start finding excuses to not have to include them in their maps even on shorter songs if this kind of rule changes start to get applied.lower diff's are way easier to do than hard and above... less objects, usually constant spacing, less rhythm variation...i don't really have anything to suggest that could make the ranking process better than it currently is for longer songs, but i think this proposal would not fix anything and will create other problems, so yeah, just keep stuff the way it is... or just reduce a bit the minimum length required for approval maybe.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n CXu<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 3,560 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2009<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n CXu<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-24T11:14:55+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n pimpG wrote:<\/h4>i don't really have anything to suggest that could make the ranking process better than it currently is for longer songs, but i think this proposal would not fix anything and will create other problems, so yeah, just keep stuff the way it is... or just reduce a bit the minimum length required for approval maybe.<\/blockquote>fwiw this proposal is basically a way to lower the minimum length requirement of approval, just not as a hard cut-off as it is right now, but instead in a more gradual matter.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span>Wafuu~\/Boats<\/a><\/a><\/center><\/div><\/div>~Mod one of these and get a cookie!~<\/span><\/u><\/strong><\/span><\/a>Mod queue<\/a>.Feel free to poke me in-game if you have no idea what I'm talking about in my mod.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Pennek<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 493 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed December 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Pennek<\/a>\n\n \n 2018-04-27T16:29:29+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n As I see itCurrent System: Blatant cut-off --> Alienates a lot of mappers. (makes me not want to rank or map it at all, just because it's 4:30 or 4:50.)New System: Gradual cutoff with a lower\/difficulty spreadIn general , there will be less workload for mappers who want to map long songs, which do not fit with the current Ranking Criteria. This also means that there will be more content for mappers to choose from, because as it is now, it can't be denied that some tracks just are a lot more troublesome to rank. This turns a lot of mappers off from ranking those songs (me included). If the changes are made, this will help introduce more new content to the game in general. BUT, this won't help new players as much, and it is undeniable that there will be less content for them as mappers who in the current system map 2-3 minute songs with a full spread, switch to longer songs that do not require a full spread.This is a trade-off --> More content in general vs. Less content for new players. (how much less content is debatable)Imo. this trade-off is fine. It isn't like everyone is just going to stop mapping their favorite anime TV-openings, their favorite FELT-songs and maps which are less than 3 minutes long. This will just bring more content for mappers to map, bring more new mappers in because they can map their favorite songs easier and bring more content to the game. If anything, not being able to play a song because you can only play Normals at the moment, and you have that one song you really like, which is a HIX-spread, should motivate you to become better at the game. I really don't understand why this has become an 8-page discussion. I fully the proposal.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Akareh<\/a>\n\n \n \n 613i6v