{"content":"\n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n karterfreak<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 724 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed August 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n karterfreak<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-03T20:05:12+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Been following the conversation in the background. We totally would like to have more experienced people ing in for analyst style commentating (We did the same thing with 4K MWC if you guys watched, where we brought in Halogen- and Azlynn to commentate, Halogen- being on the winning team for this years 4K MWC) While I feel some of the comments about our ability to play the game are unwarranted (Took me 2 hours to climb 1500 ranks yesterday on a whim), I do understand the need of having a highly skilled player that understands how to give analytic commentary, as despite us being able to tell the difficulty of the maps we can't speak from experience on them.Just trust that we're listening to you all. We want the commentary to be enjoyable for everyone and will do our best to do so.Also yeah... any of you guys that have tried to bribe ztrot or bug his friends to get into commentary. Know you've basically ruined your own chances by doing so. Minifrij wrote:<\/h4>On the same note, they couldn't talk about the stress or worries while being in a tournament like the OWC as they have never experienced it.<\/blockquote>I've played in three different world cups for taiko. We placed 4th in 2013, were disqualified due to absent players in 2014 in bracket stage, and ended 7\/8th in 2015. I am FULLY aware of the stress players are under in a world cup match. Are you?<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Cyclohexane<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 4,568 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed May 2009<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Cyclohexane<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-04T02:34:03+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n long post ahead probablyHaving commentated in the osu! world cup for several years now, I guess I can share my opinion on the meat of what's been discussed so far in the thread, as well as what I agreed and disagreed on. I'll start with the preferred style of casting. This is common in e-sports and, hell, regular sports, you have 2 or 3 people casting a game, but they fill different roles. One of them commentates the game at hand, how the players are doing, the score difference, as well as get loud and excited when needed. You'll also need to come up with catchy one-liners and classic sentences that people will throw back at you at every single opportunity. This is play-by-play casting.Then there's the quiet one, never really gets too excited, this person is here to analyze the games, the maps, how they're going to work between each team, what each player in the game is strong or weak at, basically anything relating to the inner workings of the game. That's your color commentator. He'll try to get in between two of the play-by-play commentator's sentences and give off some interesting insight about the situation at hand. He's also your go-to guy to debrief and analyze between the games, with the play-by-play asking the questions.This will come as no surprise, but I am not a color commentator, despite the name. I very much thrive in speaking loudly and incoherently about the lights showing up on my screen and having people feel the excitement through my incessant yelling. Jokes aside, that's what I do best. Although if you've heard my type of casting, there's something that probably has annoyed you before and was hinted at earlier; how I cut off everyone. Now, I have to say that as a play-by-play, that can't be helped - if you're having a discussion about the game and all of a sudden one of the teams completely tilts and breaks combo repeatedly, you have to take control and start the play-by-play again. Cutting off people is necessary if you're describing the action. Now, I know I also cut people off at unnecessary moments - That's just me being a dick, but I don't do it on purpose. Okay, I do it on purpose sometimes, to annoy ztrot. Sure.The next bit I wanted to talk about is the subject of tournament experience and how good you are as a player. Now, this can be proven elsewhere again (esports, real sports, yadda yadda) but a play-by-play commentator absolutely does not have to have any deep knowledge of the game. I'll take an example in League of Legends since I know the esports scene fairly well, half of the casters in the western regions are not pro gamers. When they stream playing the game they are completely average at it. But they've been around the game for long enough to be able to call the action well without mistakes. Same goes here. Circles get clicked. It's not that hard to describe.Now the colour commentator thrives on having experience. He loves bringing his knowledge as a former pro. He can notice everything the play-by-play and most of the time, the viewer as well overlook and brings it under the spotlights. I know for a fact that when I casted with Raiku I had immense synergy with him because it was so natural and simple to discuss the maps, the players, their strength and weaknesses, things like handling stress when you're playing, etc. Things that you would only know through extensive knowledge and game skill.Finally, and this is gonna fondle some robinsons, I have to bring up the issue of \"reliability\", as it is called. It's been brought up to me countless times behind the scenes. And I have to come clean, I was not the best person when it came to respecting schedules. I was often late, sometimes absent, sometimes I just couldn't cast any of the games during the week-end, and sometimes my voice would get shot. After getting a stern talking-to (this was prior to OWC 2014) I promised that I would do anything in my power to show up to the games on time, cover as many of them as possible on reasonable hours, and if I had to miss any games, warn people in advance so an alternative could be found. Now, I'm sure the people who keep track of attendance will love to prove me wrong on this, but I doing a pretty bang-up job, at least in the OWC. The problem wasn't covering the games. I actually started getting blamed for not showing up for enough games towards the end of tournaments. The reason for that is, as you may know, our asian demographic is quite skilled at this game -- and timezones exist. Which frequently meant I was supposed to get up in the middle of the night to cast a game. And, well, that's just not an expectation I could meet. I bailed after the Taiko World Cup, which had EVEN MORE games at inconvenient times, and I guess that was the end of that.Now, I'm sure I'll get the argument that some people do pull it off - and they pull it off well (s\/o to my main man ztrot), but I cannot help but feel like requesting for 24h availability is much too demanding. Especially for play-by-play commentating. You are never going to pull off your best if you have to force yourself out of a night's rest just to catch a game to cast -- You're never gonna be at 100%. I've been there and I've seen the people who do that regularly and I am adamant on this. If you're expecting someone to be on time and fill out the best they can the matches for the day, that's perfectly fine -- the opposite would be suspect. But expecting a commentator to be available and ready to cast at any time from Friday to Monday is just unreasonable. You're probably losing out on a plethora of talented people who would be ecstatic to perform on stage if they weren't bound to a few hours a day. You need different people to fill different timezones. Once again, going back to esports with League of Legends, where casters switch every 3 matches in general. Even with a relaxed schedule like that, casters have had voice issues (i've had my share of them); PiraTechnics, a recent addition to the League of Legends casters was unable to attend its world championship because of it. Montecristo, who casts the Korean league, has had the same issue (although he has a much more stacked schedule). Exerting your voice without restraint over long periods of time will ruin your health, don't take it lightly.Yeah. I'm not exactly sure what the point of that post was, I guess it's alright insight from someone who's been in the ropes of this for a long time.And since I'm probably not going to bother to get in game and I know he's around and reading this thread, I might as well. So yeah ztrot I don't know what the sitch is cause I was obviously shown the door earlier in the thread, but if you have a different opinion and feel like having me on for old times' sake i'll be around during the weekends, just hit me up with a match that's in a reasonable time frame and we can bring out all the KFC memes. \ud83d\udc4c<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n The idiot formerly known as Mr Color.<\/em>\nUnsubmitted\/Unfinished maps<\/a><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n fartownik<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,189 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed December 2008<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n fartownik<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-04T03:35:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Please take Color, kthanksbye. No really, he was the favorite caster for lots of people, me for sure. If you could sort out the timezone issues as he said, I'm pretty sure he would be there every time you want him to (if not I will shrek him myself) and we could once again enjoy a great cast from this already experienced man. There is really no need to stretch people to the maximum of their availability, they have lives themselves and I'm pretty sure the osu! casters (even if paid for what they're doing) can not sacrifice everything to be there 24\/7, especially after a hard day of casting already. Considering that there was only few casters available last year (4?) this really is an easy-to-fix issue by simply raising the amount to 6, maybe 7 casters from as broad timezone margin as possible.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n plaatinum<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 84 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed October 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n plaatinum<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-04T07:20:27+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Wait is mr color not commentating this year? Because he had to be the best caster out of the whole casting team last OWC and the reason that made me stay watching even after I got permabanned from chat because of the happystick shenanigans.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n AmaiHachimitsu<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,639 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed May 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n AmaiHachimitsu<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-04T08:52:17+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n fartownik wrote:<\/h4>Sign 3 additional commentators and match them as 2-person teams with the already existing ones according to timezone.<\/blockquote>This is how it's done in pretty much any sports show.One guy being \"main\" commentator (like the one who tells the action of a match) and one ing who is usually an expert in a given category (e.g. David Beckham co-commentating a football match).<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Kert<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,079 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed June 2009<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Kert<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-05T02:29:57+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Let's hope there won't be bancho related player drops this year (no I am not talking about when players used skype)Last year was a disaster because of that<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n osu!Skills<\/a><\/u> - Compare your skills in a slightly<\/em> different way<\/strong><\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n buny<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 3,435 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n buny<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-05T02:41:17+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I thought the bancho drops were 2 owcs ago, and ddos problems were last owcor was it bancho being ddos'd? ugh I can't even that far<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Kert<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,079 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed June 2009<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Kert<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-05T02:47:24+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I mean the cases when bancho dropped various players during the match\/right before the mp results screen due to some problems on the osu! client\/bancho sideIt's just that recently I've played in another tourney and got kicked to the main menu out of the blue (my connection was fine)I just want to mention the problem before it's too late<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n osu!Skills<\/a><\/u> - Compare your skills in a slightly<\/em> different way<\/strong><\/span><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n YodaSnipe<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,378 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n YodaSnipe<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-05T04:54:33+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Absolute recipe for disaster. Why aren't countries allowed to choose their own captain in the first place and have them create their desired team.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Bauxe<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,624 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed August 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Bauxe<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-05T04:59:21+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n YodaSnipe wrote:<\/h4>Absolute recipe for disaster. Why aren't countries allowed to choose their own captain in the first place and have them create their desired team.<\/blockquote>1) Who's to stop random players claiming themselves as captains and ing teams?2) They are (ideally) going to pick people who will make the most reliable captain. Attempting to avoid favoritism in team member picks, and instead pick the best players.3) Loctav has already said the captaincy can be ed off to another player.4) Countries can't really pick a captain, instead it is a select bunch of players picking the captain.5) What if the captain is not allowed to play due to breaking rules?I don't see why you think this is so bad, honestly it's probably the fairest way to go about selecting teams. If countries have already created the teams before-hand, whoever is selected as captain can just make that the team.buny wrote:<\/h4>I thought the bancho drops were 2 owcs ago, and ddos problems were last owcor was it bancho being ddos'd? ugh I can't even that far<\/blockquote>DDOS was 2 years ago, that's when we had the secondary bancho server.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n YodaSnipe<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,378 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2011<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n YodaSnipe<\/a>\n\n \n 2015-10-05T05:08:50+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n 201b5d