{"content":"\n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n too<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 707 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed May 2018<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n too<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-03-26T12:39:07+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Nao Tomori wrote:<\/h4><\/span><\/a>Please see below for the updated application guidelines. Let us know your thoughts. As a note, the evaluation generally does not rely on the mapper responding to the mods at any point.Map 1: Submit a \"BN check\" mod on a map that you believe is close to a rankable \/ nominatable state. If the mapper were to address your mods, you would immediately be ready to press the nominate button. The map should be by a mapper with 5 or less ranked maps. The map should not have any nominations at the time of submitting your application. This is intended to provide information on your ability to conduct the final steps of the modding process as well as independently evaluate a map's overall rankability. Map 2: Submit a mod on a map that you not would nominate unless significant improvements are made. Additionally, briefly explain why the map was not in a rankable state when you modded it; your modding should generally address those concerns. The map should include a full spread of difficulties. The map should be hosted by a different mapper than the first map (including collab participants). This is intended to provide information on your issue identification skills, communication and wording, and ability to evaluate a map's overall rankability.Map 3: Submit a mod on a map that, in your opinion, would be helpful to us in evaluating your ability to judge map quality and readiness. Indicate whether you would or would not nominate the map after your modding has been addressed. The map should be hosted by a different mapper than the first or second maps (including collab participants). The map should not have any nominations at the time of submitting your application. This will provide you with an opportunity to further improve your application, keeping in mind the intentions stated in the descriptions of the previous submissions.<\/div><\/div><\/blockquote>It is much clearer and better than the first post.This change will reduce the difference between knowing this and not knowing this, so you will be able to decide for yourself if this mapset or mod is ok when applying for further bn.I like that change.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n asriel lover<\/a>\n\n \n Beatmap Nominator\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/a>\n\n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 817 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed December 2016<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n asriel lover<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-03-26T12:48:14+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n i think the changes are mostly better but im really not a fan of imposing restriction of \u2018will nominate\u2019 on people with 0-5 rankedseems more tedious and complex to find for applicants vs now<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n -Hitomi<\/a>\n\n \n Beatmap Nominator\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/a>\n\n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 315 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed November 2019<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n -Hitomi<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-03-26T13:00:14+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Nao Tomori wrote:<\/h4>Map 1: Submit a \"BN check\" mod on a map that you believe is close to a rankable \/ nominatable state. If the mapper were to address your mods, you would immediately be ready to press the nominate button. The map should be by a mapper with 5 or less ranked maps.<\/blockquote>Does it have to be a map from a \"new-ish\" mapper? Might be pretty hard to find one at some point, I think ~10 ranked maps would be better tbh. idk if the figure is this low just for the sake of the applicants to post more mods cuz such mappers int more (I assume) but I do think map quality really depends, despite how many ranked maps the has. Nao Tomori wrote:<\/h4>The map should be hosted by a different mapper than the first or second maps (including collab participants)<\/blockquote>Refers to top diffs only or including low diffs collabs?Also, if the 2 oszs (before mod and current) are still a thing, is it necessary to have them (specifically the after mods one)? Feels like that's just overcomplicating the process cuz even if the host messed up after applying mods ofc u won't nominate it and instead it will require more modding.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n FuJu<\/a>\n\n \n Beatmap Nominator\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/a>\n\n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 176 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed September 2017<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n FuJu<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-03-26T13:29:09+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n -Hitomi wrote:<\/h4>Refers to top diffs only or including low diffs collabs?Also, if the 2 oszs (before mod and current) are still a thing, is it necessary to have them (specifically the after mods one)? Feels like that's just overcomplicating the process cuz even if the host messed up after applying mods ofc u won't nominate it and instead it will require more modding.<\/blockquote>1. Refers to Host2. Osz's have never been a necessity. They just make life easier for us and you because we can't misinterpret things with them.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Nao Tomori<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 3,078 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed December 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Nao Tomori<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-03-26T13:42:30+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n The limit on ranked maps is to push applicants to forming their own opinion on the map rather than just picking a safe map by a very experienced mapper. Obviously we can't quantify \"safe map\" and don't want to either (since BNs perennially nominating safe maps is fine). We want to see the applicant judge it to be safe by themselves and not solely by virtue of being by an experienced mapper or by being bubbled, indicating widespread approval by other BNs. For what it's worth the vast majority of apps I've seen have been exclusively mods on 0-ranked map mappers so if anything this is explicitly expanding it from the de facto \"meta\" restrictions.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ikin5050<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 587 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ikin5050<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-03-26T14:28:09+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Nao Tomori wrote:<\/h4>Map 1: Submit a \"BN check\" mod on a map that you believe is close to a rankable \/ nominatable state. If the mapper were to address your mods, you would immediately be ready to press the nominate button. The map should be by a mapper with 5 or less ranked maps. The map should not have any nominations at the time of submitting your application.Map 2: Submit a mod on a map that you not would nominate unless significant improvements are made. Additionally, briefly explain why the map was not in a rankable state when you modded it; your modding should generally address those concerns. The map should include a full spread of difficulties. The map should be hosted by a different mapper than the first map (including collab participants). This is intended to provide information on your issue identification skills, communication and wording, and ability to evaluate a map's overall rankability.<\/blockquote>I struggle to see the difference here. Both map 1 and map 2 should be immediately ready to press the nominate button on if your mods are addressed and applied properly? The only real difference between these is that the first map has a silly <5 ranked maps requirement on it. I also don't really see how it helps especially for taiko specifically where everyone and their dog can get 5 ranked maps without making anything that would be considered a 'safe map'.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Eithne<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 253 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed August 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Eithne<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-03-26T15:16:52+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n not a fan of the 5 ranked map limit being on the 'accept' map, as by your own ission, BNs perennially nominating safe maps is fineto be fully transparent, i'm one of these BNs; there just aren't many new mappers who make things i like enough to nominate and i wouldn't want to see people trying to lower their own standards to just get into bn<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by Eithne<\/a> 2024-03-26T15:18:59+00:00<\/time>, edited 1 time in total.\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n achyoo<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 442 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed January 2016<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n achyoo<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-03-26T15:25:14+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Nao Tomori wrote:<\/h4>Map 1: Submit a \"BN check\" mod on a map that you believe is close to a rankable \/ nominatable state. If the mapper were to address your mods, you would immediately be ready to press the nominate button. The map should be by a mapper with 5 or less ranked maps. The map should not have any nominations at the time of submitting your application. This is intended to provide information on your ability to conduct the final steps of the modding process as well as independently evaluate a map's overall rankability.<\/blockquote>Does this new revised applications include the previous questions? i.e \"Why do you think the map is ready to be nominated?\"If it does (and I think it should), you can remove the 5 or less ranked maps limit. If applicants are being evaluated on their ability to evaluate, and they pick the \"safe map\" like you alluded to, the \"why\" question forces them to showcase their understanding and evaluation of the map's quality, and gives you a glimpse into their thought process as well as quality standards. Truly capable applicants would have no issue with this part, and those who rely on others' widespread approval would struggle and thus be filtered out during the evaluation process.It also reduces the likelihood that the applicant picks a mapper who can easily rank maps; if they are unable to satisfactory justify themselves beyond \"This map is clean and has no issues, while representing the song well.\" then they can be rejected for \"lack of content in application, cannot accurately judge applicant\". This has happened many times under the old system where applicants apply with mods that don't fully cover the grounds expected of them, so I don't see why it cannot be carried over to the new system. With rejection for \"lack of content\" being a possibility, applicants will be less likely to self-sabotage by picking \"safe, easily rankable\" maps to use in their application.Would like to hear what you think about this.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by achyoo<\/a> 3s1b1o