{"content":"\n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Ideal<\/a>\n\n \n Nomination Assessment Team\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/a>\n\n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 634 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed January 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Ideal<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-16T22:59:37+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n This would be an amazing change *especially* for mapping songs that have a LOT going on constantly (for example, breakcore songs), which makes it hard to fit 3\/2 breaks in without forcing them when 2 1\/1 breaks in a row would work much better and provide just as much rest while also maintaning consistent and solid emphasis+1<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Horiiizon<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/a>\n\n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 151 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2016<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Horiiizon<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-16T23:12:37+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \"sometimes it can feel like you're just poking holes in your map to satisfy the guideline.\"agreed, for especially dense songs (like ideal said with some breakcore above) 3\/2 breaks usually do more harm than good and feel forced just because the guideline says so<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Nifty<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 898 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed September 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Nifty<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-16T23:34:10+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I think this is a good change that will make people much more comfortable mapping muzukashiis. I'd like to add another layer to it, though.Muzukashii break guidelines were handled were a bit fudgey when they first came out, and nobody bothered to \"fix\" it. What I found interesting is the following:For kantans, \"Main snapping should consist of mostly 2\/1, 4\/1, or slower rhythms\" and \"At least 1 rest moment that is 3\/1 or longer\" is recommended per guidelines.For futsuus, \"Main snapping should consist of mostly 1\/1, 2\/1 or slower rhythms\" and \"At least 1 rest moment that is 2\/1 or longer\" is recommended per guidelines.For muzus, \"Main snapping should consist of mostly 1\/2, 1\/1 or slower rhythms\" and \"At least 1 rest moment that is 3\/2 or longer\" is recommended per guidelines.For onis, \"Main snapping should consist of mostly 1\/2 and occasional 1\/1 rhythms\" and \"At least 1 rest moment which is 1\/1 or longer\" is recommended per guidelines.Notice how muzukashiis are the only difficult that recommends a rest time that is longer<\/strong> than the longest recommended main snapping (for kantan, 3\/1 < 4\/1, futsuu, 2\/1 = 2\/1, and oni, 1\/1 = 1\/1). I think that this was a small oversight that has never formally been addressed, and this change would be what we needed to address it.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by Nifty<\/a> 2021-05-16T23:34:45+00:00<\/time>, edited 1 time in total.\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ikin5050<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 587 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ikin5050<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-16T23:35:55+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I don't believe 2x1\/1 is sufficient, and that 3x1\/1 would be better. Personally I would be hesitant to nominate anything that uses 2x1\/1 instead of a proper 3\/2 rest moment.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n DakeDekaane<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 3,500 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n DakeDekaane<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-16T23:42:10+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I have to say 3\/2 was a weird decision to establish it as a proper rest moment.Agreeing so much for this change to happen. It's really sad to play maps that have these awkward rhythms just to comply with the guidelines when they can be definitely better.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Please mod\/nom: Aoi - c.s.q.n.<\/a> | Fuki - Zekkai no Juliet<\/a>. I have cookies! ;w;<\/strong><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Genjuro<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 657 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed August 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Genjuro<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-17T00:16:38+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I disagree because 1\/1 is one of the main snappings used in the diff so it can't really be considered a rest moment (yes even 2 in a row). There is nothing wrong with using a 2\/1 break every 4 measures, it doesn't feel too long for a diff that mainly uses 1\/1 and 1\/2 patterns + you also have the option to use 3\/2 if that fits. I've literally never seen any experienced mappers complain about this, the only mappers who complain about the guideline either don't know that using 2\/1 is okay or make their muzu diffs so hard to the point that 2\/1 ends up seeming too long! The guideline already says that \"Using rest moments less frequently is acceptable if either the pace of the music makes rest moments counter-intuitive or if the continuously mapped part is overall more forgiving to the player.\"<\/em> so it's not like anyone is forced to use unintuitive rest moments.tldr: guideline is fine this proposal is unnecessary<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n radar<\/a>\n\n \n Nomination Assessment Team\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 290 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed September 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n radar<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-17T01:32:12+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I agree with both ikin and genjuro somewhat, i feel like this proposal isnt suuper necessary and that 2x 1\/1 is also too lenient. Imo this will likely result in super difficult muzus going through as well as a lot of unnecessary discourse in regards to when 2x 1\/1 is acceptable over 3\/2, also, spread between futsuu -> muzu density wise will be made into a lot more of a jump if this goes through in its current stateif i were to suggest an adjustment, id rather just have muzukashiis clarify that 2\/1 is acceptable (perhaps say that its favored over 3\/2 unless the song calls for it, or something), or maybe 3x 1\/1 but, as genjuro stated that is one of the main snaps meant to be used so im not sure either<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n (\u0e51<\/span>\u02c3\u1d17\u02c2)\ufeed<\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Gamelan4<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/a>\n\n \n <\/i>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 168 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2017<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Gamelan4<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-17T02:05:13+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n This guideline change seems unnecessary to me. I agree with radar's clarification though. 3\/2 breaks are fine, and applying them is what makes muzus the special kind of difficulty they are. Using 2 1\/1s as a replacement doesn't fit with the fact that most if not all rhythms in muzus are based around that. Whether people break a guideline but with enough justification, or make up rhythms around breaks above 3\/2 that fit a muzu diff, it's up to the mapper and the judgement of the bn on a case-to-case bases. It's not worth to solve specific cases (such as what Ideal mentions) by creating more, bigger ones (as radar states).<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by Gamelan4<\/a> 2021-05-17T02:09:25+00:00<\/time>, edited 2 times in total.\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Axer<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 434 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed October 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Axer<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-05-17T02:58:59+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n 3u3g1y